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rulemylife -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 9:22:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Sanity.... What does this have to do with left/right politics? My guess is that he is making a note of the "left leaning" policies of making freedom of religion be freedom FROM religion. An example: http://www.thestar.com/living/article/974788 I will note that the story is not substantiated. However there has be the issues over "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Holidays" usage in some companies. It's far more than not substantiated. It smells of a complete hoax. We have a girl who will not identify herself handing these out at a school she will not identify. But that doesn't stop you from posting it anyway. You go girl!

thishereboi -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 10:29:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Is dissent, people thinking or acting like an individual that leftists cant tolerate, especially politically. Leftists as a group traditionally feel very threatened by certain aspects of individuality. Those stepping outside leftist group think become targets for hatred and varying methods of chastisement... Examples. Examples of hate....heres one. "How is the judge acting as a "leftist"? Oh I see,you`re just imagining the judge is a lefty....... I see this idiot becoming fox noise`s next fem fatal/victim/hero. Her ignorance is frightening but that`s what cons will love most."

hlen5 -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 10:33:23 AM)
I was wondering how a thread started about Chinese Christians getting arrested degenerated into the usual left/right crap so quickly. I went back to the OP. Never mind. I think the original article would have made a great thread (without the slanted caveat that came with it). Can the left/right finger pointing stop and MAYBE talk about freedom of religion?

flcouple2009 -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 10:33:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I got nuthin'. Ain't that the truth.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 10:46:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 I was wondering how a thread started about Chinese Christians getting arrested degenerated into the usual left/right crap so quickly. I went back to the OP. Never mind. I think the original article would have made a great thread (without the slanted caveat that came with it). Can the left/right finger pointing stop and MAYBE talk about freedom of religion? The thread went where the OP intended. We have freedom of Religion. Not all countries have that freedom and Christianity has never been the only religion the Chinese have cracked on.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 12:59:00 PM)
quote: You mean, beside the history of the Soviet Union, the history of Communist China, of North Korea, of Cuba, and of Vietnam? And these are the results of leftists how? quote: Other than the article this thread is based upon, and the visceral hatred leftists here on this thread have shown towards myself for merely raising the issue? A judge, appointed by a Democratic President, approved by a republican senate... cant see how that gets much more bipartisan than that. quote: Apart from the heated contempt that is evidenced towards those whose beliefs differ from leftists at large, such as GW Bush, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, etc? Wqual to your own heated contempt of everything associated with Obama and the current administration. Do we really have to get into a name dropping debate? quote: Aside from all the attacks you constantly see against everything Christian, such as those in todays threads on page one of the Politics & Religion section? I got nuthin'. And who is typically there arguing for the christian side? Despite the fact that my belief doesnt "swing that way"? I am left of center. You, Sanity, are hard core right. You take every chance to dismiss those who are not as hard core as you, then you wonder why you are attacked so agressively.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 1:01:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 I was wondering how a thread started about Chinese Christians getting arrested degenerated into the usual left/right crap so quickly. I went back to the OP. Never mind. I think the original article would have made a great thread (without the slanted caveat that came with it). Can the left/right finger pointing stop and MAYBE talk about freedom of religion? Isnt this part of the reason why people came to America to begin with? To escape religious persecution? The US government has come out against China for these actions... The US government has repeatedly criticised China's overall rights crackdown, while the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an autonomous government board, last week condemned the actions against Shouwang. Short of war, what else can be done?

mnottertail -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 1:03:03 PM)
Quit buying from them. Like thats gonna happen.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 1:12:55 PM)
Yeah, right?

Politesub53 -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 5:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Is dissent, people thinking or acting like an individual that leftists cant tolerate, especially politically. Leftists as a group traditionally feel very threatened by certain aspects of individuality. Those stepping outside leftist group think become targets for hatred and varying methods of chastisement... The man comes and takes you away, as the song says. Coming from you, this is very very funny. Side splitting irony form a man who wants everyone to have free speech, as long as they are right wing. Do you get where I am going here, or do you need a diagram ?

Sanity -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 5:37:42 PM)
You are simply insane, Ive never been against free speech for leftists or anyone else. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Is dissent, people thinking or acting like an individual that leftists cant tolerate, especially politically. Leftists as a group traditionally feel very threatened by certain aspects of individuality. Those stepping outside leftist group think become targets for hatred and varying methods of chastisement... The man comes and takes you away, as the song says. Coming from you, this is very very funny. Side splitting irony form a man who wants everyone to have free speech, as long as they are right wing. Do you get where I am going here, or do you need a diagram ?

Politesub53 -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 5:46:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity You are simply insane, Ive never been against free speech for leftists or anyone else. Dont you read your own posts ? They are loaded with right wing generalisations.

Politesub53 -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 5:51:32 PM)
Quite simply, China are watching what is going on in the Arab world. They have cracked down, not only on Christians, but on any form of dissent. Bloggers, Writers, Artists, Religions, Just about anyone who dare speak out has been jailed or just vanished. They make Saddam look laid back and it angers me the west have rushed eastwards to trade with such a regime.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 5:53:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity You are simply insane, Ive never been against free speech for leftists or anyone else. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Is dissent, people thinking or acting like an individual that leftists cant tolerate, especially politically. Leftists as a group traditionally feel very threatened by certain aspects of individuality. Those stepping outside leftist group think become targets for hatred and varying methods of chastisement... The man comes and takes you away, as the song says. Coming from you, this is very very funny. Side splitting irony form a man who wants everyone to have free speech, as long as they are right wing. Do you get where I am going here, or do you need a diagram ? [sm=abducted.gif]

Aylee -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 5:58:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 I was wondering how a thread started about Chinese Christians getting arrested degenerated into the usual left/right crap so quickly. I went back to the OP. Never mind. I think the original article would have made a great thread (without the slanted caveat that came with it). Can the left/right finger pointing stop and MAYBE talk about freedom of religion? The thread went where the OP intended. We have freedom of Religion. Not all countries have that freedom and Christianity has never been the only religion the Chinese have cracked on. Have you forgotten that China SAYS that they have freedom of religion?

Sanity -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 6:00:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You mean, beside the history of the Soviet Union, the history of Communist China, of North Korea, of Cuba, and of Vietnam? And these are the results of leftists how? Get a clue, theyre leftists by definition quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Wqual to your own heated contempt of everything associated with Obama and the current administration. Do we really have to get into a name dropping debate? Most of the threads and discussion around Obama are policy related, though leftists constantly scream "racist!" at anyone who disagrees with Obamas policies. You leftists would drop fucking dead in your tracks from pure shock if conservatives ever posted the kind of hate spew that so many of you leftists posted regarding "monkey boy" "bushitler"etc etc etc George Bush. The larger point is, how many threads hating on Joe Biden do you see, ala Dick Cheney or Sarah Palin and so on. How many hate spewing threads do you see about Keith Obermann or Chris Mathews, Harry Reid, or Nanci Pelosi. Planned Parenthood, the DNC, HuffPo or ThinkProgress.Org? I mean, compared to far left tweaker threads rabidly attacking FOX NEWS and Rush Limbaugh, and other Conservative people, groups or organizations. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And who is typically there arguing for the christian side? Despite the fact that my belief doesnt "swing that way"? I am left of center. You, Sanity, are hard core right. You take every chance to dismiss those who are not as hard core as you, then you wonder why you are attacked so agressively. No so sorry taz, Im not as far right as your comrades here would have you believe... thats just more hate spew. I am attacked so aggressively because so many of the leftists here are largely intolerant and mindless trolls who cant argue on topic to save their lives, so they go for the same lame personal attacks post after post after post after post. Its like leftist zombieland here, seriously. You are actually kind of rare, and not all that far left.

Sanity -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 6:05:26 PM)
Try to focus, you were going on about free speech, not generalizations. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity You are simply insane, Ive never been against free speech for leftists or anyone else. Dont you read your own posts ? They are loaded with right wing generalisations.

Aylee -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 6:05:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Were they her opinions, or an attempt to circumvent jury duty? To be honest Tazzy, I have not found a story that gives a definitive answer. On the other hand, it does not matter her reasons. To delve into them makes it a matter of "thought crime." Something I have a strong dislike for. Essentially, I do not know WHAT she was thinking. Neither does the judge or anyone else. We can only judge her actions.

tazzygirl -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 6:07:14 PM)
quote: Planned Parenthood The rest, start the threads, Sanity. PP... I see nothing that organization has done to warrant your animosity. quote: No so sorry taz, Im not as far right as your comrades here would have you believe... thats just more hate spew. I am attacked so aggressively because so many of the leftists here are largely intolerant and mindless trolls who cant argue on topic to save their lives, so they go for the same lame personal attacks post after post after post after post. quote: Its like leftist zombieland here, seriously. You are actually kind of rare, and not all that far left. I do find myself, on occassions agreeing with you on some issues. I also find myself not saying... and I probably shouldsay.. and will do so now... Sanity, its not what you say sometimes, its how you say it. Depending on the issue, I can be extremely far left, or I can be skirting the center line, sometimes even stepping over on occassions to the right. I do thank you for recognizing that. Now, the problem I am having is seeing how the Soviet Union, for example, is leftist. Can you explain?

Sanity -> RE: Chinese Christians held at Easter service (4/25/2011 6:09:34 PM)
Really though, thought crimes is the intended focus of the thread. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Were they her opinions, or an attempt to circumvent jury duty? To be honest Tazzy, I have not found a story that gives a definitive answer. On the other hand, it does not matter her reasons. To delve into them makes it a matter of "thought crime." Something I have a strong dislike for. Essentially, I do not know WHAT she was thinking. Neither does the judge or anyone else. We can only judge her actions.

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