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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 1:06:38 PM

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Quite the contrary, it's nice to have submissive guys around. They serve a lot of useful purposes, and it's nice to hang out with guys sometimes who aren't gung ho alpha tards always trying to be the toughest guy around, I rather prefer it.

See, I consider this evidence that the standard of an "alpha" "real man" or whatever you want to call it has slid very far down the hill since my Father's day. What about a polite, quiet man, who is also someone you absolutely do not want to fuck with? Walking softly and carrying a big stick earns should earn more respect than being a loud-mouthed hooligan. (I sometimes toy with the idea that formal dueling should be legalized again, just to reduce the life expectancy of the latter.)

A Dominant of either gender who has real contempt for subs of either gender is the kind of piss-yellow bully who'd likely also kick a sleeping hound just for the hell of it.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 1:09:01 PM

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He was right.. there is something about a man who would let a woman dom or penetrate him that I find reprehensible.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 1:18:35 PM

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"Natural order"-Is it the natural order that men tend to be more dominant and women more submissive? Perhaps in general it is.

Then again, it is the natural order that most jaguars are spotted-but a few are black. That most people can't run a mile in under 4 minutes, but a few can, that shellfish are a tasty treat for most people, but lethal for a few. In Western society, we mostly act like grownups about natural differences and exceptions, except for the ones related to sex. Alas...

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 1:48:28 PM

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Not sure that contempt is the right word for it...but there is definitely a loss of respect as a man. Females slaves are of use to me, male slaves are not so some of it comes from that. I am of gorean belief so my belief in natural order and Men taking their rightful place as the dominant of the species also plays a role, actually its not fair to blame all of it on Gorean because I believed Men to be the dominant of the species long before I began to study the philosophies. Anyway there's my two cents...

Excellent. This thread continues to crack me up!

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 1:50:47 PM

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oy... "natural order" nonsense.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 2:01:40 PM

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oy... "natural order" nonsense.

Oh come on, Lilly. I mean, it's easy to imagine half the male Doms on this site reading comments like that of the splendidly-named LordShadow and wincing in embarrassment. It's hilarious!

Seriously, you know, I didn't have any contempt for any Doms on this site till I read some of the guff on this thread by the 'natural order' types. Now I find them laughable - or that 'natural order' type, anyway. I just get a mental picture of hairy, beer-bellied blokes who keep their egos going by fantasising about being reincarnated bears as they flip burgers at McDonalds.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/29/2011 4:14:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: NiceGuyNihilist

When you see a man allowing a woman to rule him, do you find yourself involuntarily shuddering in revulsion? Does the very concept of a submissive male fly against your ideals?

So: do you have contempt for submissive males, and if so, why?

No. No. And no. Being half a gay, bisexual, greedy, whatever you like to call it... I very much enjoy submissive males. Provided that they're intelligent, functioning humans first and foremost, and that there is no false advertisement.

I'll admit that I feel irritated by those who parade around as submissive when they should actually be advertising themselves as fetishists. That said, I have no beef with fetishists who are up-front about themselves and understand that they won't be everyone's cup of tea. Be open and honest about who and what you are, and I've got absolutely no problem. Sometimes I'm in the mood to meet and beat, with no interest in making some kind of long-term romantic involvement. Fetishists can be a fantastic outlet, and/or a casual play partner. I'm just not looking to take them home at the end of the evening.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 6/30/2011 8:08:12 PM

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Oh come on, Lilly. I mean, it's easy to imagine half the male Doms on this site reading comments like that of the splendidly-named LordShadow and wincing in embarrassment. It's hilarious!

Why should someone else' post embarrass anyone else? No one is speaking on behalf of anyone else here.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 7/1/2011 6:27:32 AM

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Tristan, lie down with dogs and rise up with fleas. If the views of someone are extremely offensive, and if he keeps espousing that he has these views because of his power orientation, then certainly people who share the power orientation might be offended at the thought that others would assume he too is highly offensive because of the shared orientation.

And in fact, that has happened. There are a few Goreans who appear to be intelligent men whom I would like to converse with. However my view towards Goreans as a whole is negative, and caused by the many chest beaters whom I do find offensive. If you had only met rugby players who were drunks, wouldn't your view towards rugby players in general be colored by your experience?

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 7/4/2011 7:57:26 PM

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If you had only met rugby players who were drunks, wouldn't your view towards rugby players in general be colored by your experience?

I think there is enough difference between all of us on this site not to conclude that anyone has the same beliefs or outlook as anyone else. I think that we are all speaking for ourselves. However, I see a lot of people trying to make this conclusion to support their own beliefs. There is a name for this logical fallacy, but I can not remember the name at this time. Too many years have passed since my college days or maybe its not the years but the beers that have dulled my memory.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 7/5/2011 1:15:00 PM

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No.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/25/2011 11:47:29 AM

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Can we all just go down to the cafe and have a diplomatic ice cream. On me. What is your flavour of choice guys gals
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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 6:29:33 AM

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Largely, any preconcieved notions regarding submissive males I had went out the window.

I had based my biases on my own nature, and in thought came to the conclusion that male nature is to dominate, and to be a submissive male must be an execptional example of self-control against instincts. Upon further ponderings I realized this as well was undefendable bullshit.

Or simply put because I cannot explain this one well, I might crave beef over chicken, always, for entirely genetic reasons, that cannot be simply "Thought Out" of existance. An overwhelming drive if you will, that I wrongly assumed others shared. At which point I realized.

Fuck it.

To each his own. People are complicated.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 8:58:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: NiceGuyNihilist

I decided to spent my Sunday morning reading this thing over a bowl of cereal. I'm not sure if you are still following your thread, but I wanted to respond and provide my own perspective.

I have disdain for the idea of male submission much in the same way I have disdain for the idea of sucking a man's cock. I'm not homosexual or bisexual and therefore, when I think about a man blowing another man, I feel repulsion and disgust.

Male submission goes against my relationship orientation and my sexual desires. It also contrary to my own personal idealism of what a "man" is. Therefore, I tend to feel contempt towards the idea of male submission as a personal preference.

The same applies to female dominance. Female dominants do not fit my own perspective of what I consider to be feminine and thus, demonstrate qualities that I find to be unattractive. I am as repulsed by the idea of female dominance as much as I am repulsed by the idea of male submission.

I also find the idea of eating mushrooms in any type of food dish to be disgusting.

However, none of what I have stated above extends beyond me and my little corner of Idaho. I don't project my personal preferences into other people. I don't form my personal opinions into some world view of "the natural order". I don't make character judgements simply because, they do not follow my own personal idealism. I don't find male submissives or mushrooms to be immoral or unethical.

I have had and do have rewarding friendships with male submissives, male homosexuals, female dominants and people who eat mushrooms. However, there is always a cap on how deep that friendship is going to grow, because we'll never be able to understand each other in these regards. In fact, we just tend to avoid these topics all together unless we are poking fun at each other.

I also tend to keep my personal opinions to myself on this issue for a couple of reasons. One, I think there is plenty of male dominants and female submissives who give female dominants and male submissives enough shit as it is and don't see what good sharing my personal thoughts on these subjects is going to do. Two, due to the above reasons, I find female dominants and male submissives to be a demographic that's too insecure to not take personal offense to my personal preferences.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 10:00:03 AM

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In short you're a narrow-minded bigot who is too cowardly to speak your mind without pretending you're not.

Bravo!

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 10:32:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
In short you're a narrow-minded bigot who is too cowardly to speak your mind without pretending you're not.

Bravo!

Hmm...I can live with that. I'm more than happy to wear the label of "narrow-minded bigot" than lie when asked a direct question about my personal preferences and opinion.

It's much better than being some old, insecure asshat who seizes the first oppurtunity he can to hurl some unprovoked personal insult at every dominant male who threatens him in order prove to the Internet how dominant he pretends to be.

Because...you know...if I lacked such personal security that I need to ram my personal opinions down other peoples throats, even when they are unwanted and inappropriate for the situation at hand, in order to show people how "non-cowardly" and "strong" I am, well, I would consider myself to be insensitive piece of shit who was too self-absorbed to possess any real empathy.

Edited to Add: For example, let's say I was at a dinner party where everyone was eating mushrooms, a behavior that I, in my narrow-minded bigotry, have admited to strongly disliking. In order to prove how "strong" and "brave" I am, should I spend the entire evening bitching about how all the people around me were doing something I, in my own subjective opinion, find disgusting? Maybe you need to do this, but personally, I realize my subjective personal preferences begin and end with me and tend to practice tolerance when around other people who are engaging in behaviors that I don't personally want to participate in.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 11:21:52 AM

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As usual, you completely miss the point.

And your assessment of me is, as ever, completely off base. I have said many times on these boards that I am not particularly "dominant", but I won't mess up your delusions with facts, we can't have reality intruding on your fantasy world now can we?

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 11:31:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

As usual, you completely miss the point.

Yes, of course, it is, I, that missed the point. Perhaps in order to get the point, you should make one that actually has some relevance to what I am talking about. Perhaps you should learn what the words you use actually mean.

Let's look at a definition of bigot I grabbed off Meriam Webster.

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

In my post, I made it very clear that I only dislike male submission as an "act". I also made it clear I do not project this personal opinion of the act into the person's commiting the act. I don't find male submissives to be weak, disgusting, or repulsive. I am not intolerant or feel contempt or hatred towards them. Also, to my own admittance, I have rewarding friendships with people who identify as male submissives.

However, despite this, you have labeled me a bigot so either you didn't read my post or you did read my post and don't know what a bigot is.

So, yes, there was a point that missed and as shown, once again by your general incompetance that precludes you from actually participating in a discussion beyond hurling personal insults and your narrow-minded judgements of other people, the point was missed by you.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
And your assessment of me is, as ever, completely off base. I have said many times on these boards that I am not particularly "dominant", but I won't mess up your delusions with facts, we can't have reality intruding on your fantasy world now can we?

I care very little about your bullshit. My assessment of you was based off the behavior you regularly engage in which is looking for any oppurtunity you can to denounce the opinion of a male, hurl a personal insult, and then follow it up with some statement about how you subscribe to some degree of higher behavior. This is a behavior commited 9 out of 10 times by insecure, immature men trying to prove they are the alpha of a social group and nothing to do with any proclamation of a label of being "dominant".

Truly confident people are not so bothered by the existence of a contrary opinion that they need to go out of their way to denounce it with childish insults..

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 11:53:24 AM

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I am not intolerant or feel contempt or hatred towards them.

I disagree, based on your own words.

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I feel repulsion and disgust

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It also contrary to my own personal idealism of what a "man" is.

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I am as repulsed by the idea of female dominance as much as I am repulsed by the idea of male submission.

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I find female dominants and male submissives to be a demographic that's too insecure to not take personal offense to my personal preferences.

You can squirm and wiggle and try to redefine what you said all you want, but it's right there in black and white. I did read your post, and do know what the word bigot means, and it was your own words that labelled you a bigot, not me.

Now, I suggest you go to this forum and try your luck there, you may find the level of discourse more suited to you.

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RE: Do you have contempt for submissive males? - 8/28/2011 11:56:07 AM

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Truly confident people are not so bothered by the existence of a contrary opinion that they need to go out of their way to denounce it with childish insults..

It is you that has been hurling insults on here...so I guess you're not that confident a person are you, or are you just trying to be the Alpha around here?

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