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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 2:50:08 PM

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I said: "A belief such as religion". This does not equate to "any set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe"

It most certainly does. That's the first definition of "religion" straight from the dictionary.

Excuse me. If you are going to quote people - do it properly.

What I actually wrote (quoting you in full) was ""any set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe at all. Period."

By carefully editing "at all. Period" off the end you have changed the meaning entirely. (see post #114 for original text in full)

Is it a reflection of the weakness of your position that you are forced to resort to such cheap underhand trickery? It sure looks that way. Deliberate distortion seems standard behaviour for religion's apologists here. So much for honesty and truth.

It really is a waste of time trying to engage in honest intellectual debate with religion's apologists on this issue.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 2:59:38 PM

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the problem of course is that religion, politics, and belief are all functionally synonyms.

your beliefs are expressed through religion and politics.

religion in the benevolent

politics in the belligerent

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 4:48:07 PM

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Hell, religion is politics, the same root; organisation of people and probable control of people and depending on the society, the two are interchangeable.

To me as soon as a politician mentions god, I lose all interest, as long as the existence of god is unproved, then god has no place in the dealings where people are concerned.

What we feel by illogical process should not interfere with what we know by logical process.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 6:17:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Excuse me. If you are going to quote people - do it properly.

What I actually wrote (quoting you in full) was ""any set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe at all. Period."

By carefully editing "at all. Period" off the end you have changed the meaning entirely. (see post #114 for original text in full)

Is it a reflection of the weakness of your position that you are forced to resort to such cheap underhand trickery? It sure looks that way. Deliberate distortion seems standard behaviour for religion's apologists here. So much for honesty and truth.

It really is a waste of time trying to engage in honest intellectual debate with religion's apologists on this issue.

I'm not following you here. I mean, I get the righteous indignation and the personal slurs. But the rest eludes me.

In your original statement, you said, "such as religion." I used a "set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" in place of the word "religion" because that is the primary definition of religion at the dictionary site the quote was linked to. Any set of such beliefs is consistent with the definition. Making "any at all" explict amounts to a redundancy for emphasis. It doesn't change the meaning.

Additionally, as entertaining as being called a liar may be, it fails to evade the elephant in the room, namely, that "compulsion" is largely a rhetorical device when talking about young children, who can barely be prevented from soaking up the world of the family in which they are raised.

K.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 8:12:47 PM

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Aneirin, I'm still wondering: How would you know when a miracle had happened?

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 8:21:29 PM

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I am still waiting to find out where they are making the kids attend religious schools. Last time I checked most were still going the public ed route.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/4/2011 10:11:14 PM

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I think she likes to submit her will to Him, just my opinion, it probably makes her feel safe and comfortable - not that I can understand faith anymore.

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Another thread to slam religion.

For someone who has repeatedly claimed to be spiritual and not religious you sure seem to get awfully upset when anyone questions
anything religious.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/5/2011 3:23:36 AM

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I think she likes to submit her will to Him, just my opinion, it probably makes her feel safe and comfortable - not that I can understand faith anymore.

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Another thread to slam religion.

For someone who has repeatedly claimed to be spiritual and not religious you sure seem to get awfully upset when anyone questions
anything religious.

Uh, Brain, I submit my will to da man.. who is snoring in the other room. There is no "Him" no "Her". Maybe you need to catch up on the threads before assuming.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/5/2011 6:35:13 AM

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Here's what life has taught me, albeit by the long, hard road.

When I look for problems, obstacles, negative circumstances, I will of course always find them. In fact, my business practice was predicated largely on this, that problem-finders are a dime a dozen, that solution-finders have jobs and careers. And certainly no one needs to bury heads in the sand--problems need to be faced and addressed, true.

But when I look for the positive aspects, I see options, possibilities, openings, new aspects, and creative solutions. And they are always there, waiting to be seen. As I follow these paths, more positive possibilities present themselves, and synergy builds as other people see what's going on and contribute to it as well. It's how things are built, and how problems get resolved.

In short, far from airy dreaming, as I once would have thought, this is key to successfully navigating reality, the good and the problematic. It's no exaggeration to say I can literally choose whether to be happy or not, and then realize the circumstances that support that decision. One way, all I have to do is control everyone and everything around me. The other, I just have to focus on myself and my own thinking and attitudes. Far easier, far more productive, and as these build on themselves, easier and easier.

There is magic in every moment. Find it. Invest as much time in it as we do in arguing for the negative and the limiting, and things will change dramatically. It's simply true--change the way you look at things, and the things you look at change. That's reality.

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RE: Where have all the miracles gone ? - 5/5/2011 7:39:09 AM

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Why such an interest in the people of planet Earth in the ancient past, but seemingly not so now and I say that because of what we know of the natural occurances that wipe out millions of people indiscriminantly saint and sinner in one go, the tsunamis and earth quakes of recent times, events which in the ancient past undoubtedly would have been attributed to the hand of god and those killed be labelled as some sort of evil God wished to destroy or make an example of ?

I am confused by this paragraph; you seem to be claiming there are no miracles these days, at the same time as claiming recent events are examples of miracles.

I think the real question here, though, is why is it not more obvious (indicated by God) that he is the one responsible, if these are indeed miracles; or any other event that one might see as a miracle. (Am I right?)

I suspect the answer is alluded to here….

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but why choose to perform for a minority of the ignorant rather than the majority of the educated, what is the problem, what is he afraid of ?

What sign, as an answer, should he give to the 'educated' that they don’t already believe they know?

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