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slub question - 5/10/2006 3:13:57 PM

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catch your attention? lol thats me.... a slub -- slave/sub---

anyway question is this... slave vs. sub. slave in the bedroom, relationship sub. now where does the line draw? when does the sub transfer to slave status in your opinion... the minute the Master/Dom wants sex or when you walk into your "private space" be it the bedroom or wherever.

just curious :) i know i can't be the only one out there..

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 3:25:37 PM

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when does the sub transfer to slave status in your opinion...

When 'we' realized I didn't have the will nor the power to get up and walk away .. and he recognized it before I did and pointed it out to me as a fact. I fought against the terminology of 'slave' for several years but, in a blink, the fight was gone and acceptance took its place.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 3:30:51 PM

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Always a slave, even when in the 'vanilla world' the degree of just changes. You either are a slave or you are not. I don't think its aliek a lisght switch, once you enter the house or bedroom that all of a sudden that 'slave' part kicks in and the rest of the time you are in 'sub mode.' Submissives and slaves are not the same, slaves are submissive by nature, but they are NOT submissives; they subscribe to a higher set of rules and protocols as well as, they give up things htat submissives do not.

Once a slave, always a slave, at least within a relationship.

In vanilla world, well, I am a bit more 'in control' but thats different, thats work; I would still be my Master's slave, even if I was at work.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 3:41:32 PM

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slave in the bedroom, relationship sub.

Okay, I admit it, this just lost me. One is a slave or one isn't. It's a terminology used to define a certain mindset and set of characteristics that are consistent in that individual. Not better or worse than submissive but different.

A submissive submits. If she submits more deeply in the bedroom, more completely, that doesn't make her a slave. It simply means her submissive buttons are being hit pretty hard in that environment and she doesn't fight it, she surrenders to it, she submits.

When Master and I got together he thought there wasn't really any difference between a submissive and a slave and used the terminology interchangably. After a year and a half with a slave on his hands, he'll be the first to tell you there is a big difference. A slave doesn't walk out of the bedroom and suddenly revert into something else. It's part of their entire personhood, a way of life that makes them feel fulfilled on many fronts.

So again...this question eludes me completely.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 3:42:36 PM

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Good topic. I'm not sure I know...I've never considered myself a slave, but have been told that I have slave qualities...whatever those are.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 3:53:20 PM

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I am slave no matter where I maybe or what I might be doing. Master and I had a disussion somewhat along these lines. We both agreed that is the mindset that determines weather one is is submissive or slave. In my opinion one can't be both. Either you are submissive or you are slave.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 4:10:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: allspicey

A submissive submits. If she submits more deeply in the bedroom, more completely, that doesn't make her a slave. It simply means her submissive buttons are being hit pretty hard in that environment and she doesn't fight it, she surrenders to it, she submits.

after reading the first few posts and discussing with my Dom, i think the nail was hit on the head right there in this response... i am "slave like" in the bedroom but that doesn't make me a slave.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 4:18:51 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_281198/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#281512
Link to 7 threads on the discussion of sub/slave

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 5:11:19 PM

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So a person cannot ask a question that was asked in 1932 because it was something of interest them at a particular moment? I think that you should look rather at the person than the 'strict' question, this lifestyle is based on veriety and acceptance - not a rule of law that must be obayed (other than that of the Dom/me)

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 5:43:43 PM

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So a person cannot ask a question that was asked in 1932 because it was something of interest them at a particular moment? I think that you should look rather at the person than the 'strict' question, this lifestyle is based on veriety and acceptance - not a rule of law that must be obayed (other than that of the Dom/me)

*raising eyebrow*

Wow you got a lot out of just posting links to other threads on a similar topic.

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RE: slub question - 5/10/2006 6:19:31 PM

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This forum goes back that far?

To answer the OP...I am a slave always. I don't have an on/off switch (and trust me, there are times I would want one!!).

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 12:19:35 AM

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Then maybe you should, in future, address the link in a way that people can understand - like adding that this is a link to other threads of a similar discussion and would be helpful to read.

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 12:29:49 AM

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* just sitting back with my popcorn watching..giggling*

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 12:53:28 AM

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Dayum LA. . . did you piss in Sab's Wheaties or what?

To Sab. . .

LA is very helpful and always puts links in for people. Chill out. Did you not notice her almost 4000 posts. . . she is the forum thread puller right now. She could have been rude and just told you to use the search feature. . . instead she did it for you, and you responded rudely.

Enjoy the forums.

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 3:38:20 AM

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slave/sub, Master/Dom. They exist in heart and mind 24/7, but the practice of them in time and place can vary greatly. Mostly time, place, action is initiated by the Dominant half. They are tempered in degrees by a sub partner, and even less by a slave partner, to not at all by a total slave. Each decides to some extent when where and how much.
There can be definite zones. Here it is Master and slave, but here Dom/sub, and here, outwardly vanilla. ( If we don't get carried away )

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 3:45:21 AM

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For me the minute my body and brain looking at that (some consider mythological) One, just melts and recognizes "Master". I just know at the feet of this person i could only be a slave to them. I think somehow i just know.

Now i have only been collared three times, the first two passed away, but i knew them for who they were to me the minute i saw them. I met a lot of Doms in the last six years i spent searching and at every meeting i would hear that internal voice go not the One. When i got off the plane to meet my current owners i walked up to him, hugged him and my entire being went into flash fire mode and my brain sighed and said "ahhh, yes, this is the One". And i was right, so call it a sixth sense or something, i just know.

After that intial recognition of Master i am a slave 24/7, it does not go on and off, being a slave is not something i do it is what i am.

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 3:53:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

http://www.collarchat.com/m_281198/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#281512
Link to 7 threads on the discussion of sub/slave

Isn't there some stuff in the bible about slaves and submitting or cleaving unto?.....
Just go read that.
After all...hath been there, doneth that.
Oh thit, now I'm thtuck on it....

Heeeheeee :)

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 4:23:44 AM

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I guess a submissive changes to slave status once the Master says "no" and they accept it instead of arguing or whatever. I really dont know..I dont really get all this slave vs sub thing...to me a slave is someone who submits to someone else...so a submissive is just another name for a slave to me.... Perhaps a slave defines a submissive within the bdsm lifestyle...where a submissive could be a submissive even in a vanilla relationship...maybe a slave is full time and a submissive is part time.....ugh....i just cant think about this too much or i get a headache *grin*

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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 4:30:52 AM

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I find that this thread is interesting as my Dom refers to me as a slub. A sub with slave tendancies. The levels change of their own accord depending on what is happening in our lives. I am not only slave in the bedroom but in other parts of our lives as well, and although my Dom notices the differences in me, i guess i just do what is natural under the different circumstances.
I guess there are things that i discuss with LL, and others i just do without question, but at whatever level i feel totally owned and belonging to Him at all times.
I know everyones definition of slave/sub are different and it is whatever works for each relationship, but i think it is possible for a sub to move into slave "mode" more and more as the relationship deepens. At least that is how i view my present circumstance, but this is only my opinion of the "slub" term.
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RE: slub question - 5/11/2006 5:45:30 AM

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Then maybe you should, in future, address the link in a way that people can understand - like adding that this is a link to other threads of a similar discussion and would be helpful to read.

So apparently labeling the link as "Link to 7 threads on the discussion of sub/slave" isn't clear enough?

I don't know if they would be helpful to read or not (though I hope they will)- I just put them there as something of an appendix to a thread, an extra resource if people want to add to the thread, as well as a way to track my own linkings in the future.

You somehow interpreted it as a lot more than it was, a link to other threads, which speaks a lot more to your perspective than my linking.

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