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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/8/2011 5:36:11 PM

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And revenge is the cure for hate.

Sorry Pops, revenge isn't the 'cure' for anything.

Revenge is one of the main means by which hate reproduces and perpetuates itself.

And the cure for hate is love and/or education/knowledge.

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 4:18:36 AM

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And revenge is the cure for hate. But, it must be served "cold."

I have heard that holding back like this and keeping all that hate inside can turn a person into a bitter old man. I wonder if there is a connection between that and all the posts you make?

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 10:10:48 AM

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And revenge is the cure for hate. But, it must be served "cold."

I have heard that holding back like this and keeping all that hate inside can turn a person into a bitter old man. I wonder if there is a connection between that and all the posts you make?

Lol, I don't keep anything inside.
You must be thinking of all the anal-retentives in here who "believe" in "global warming" (or whatever they're calling it this week.)
"Revenge" is "business", nothing more, nothing less.
There's absolutely no doubt that that shithead bin laden was driven to hate by *religion."
You're making a lot of assumptions, I don't "hate" anyone.
I didn't even "hate" bin laden, I just wanted him dead, again, "business."
It's the radical muslims who are the haters because of their "religion" but for some reason those on the left can't bring themselves to say that. I wonder why???

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 10:21:22 AM

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And revenge is the cure for hate. But, it must be served "cold."

I have heard that holding back like this and keeping all that hate inside can turn a person into a bitter old man. I wonder if there is a connection between that and all the posts you make?

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 10:58:58 AM

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There's absolutely no doubt that that shithead bin laden was driven to hate by *religion."

There's plenty of "doubt" actually. In other words, his actions were less religious than they were nationalistic.

I sometimes wonder how many people can actually comprehend that, if you play games with other people's countries, lives and national identities, then they may tend to react poorly.

As best we can understand*, Bin Laden's anger with the west was first cemented by the fact that moderate Saudis (not many of those left these days, BTW, as a result of western (mostly american, in other words) actions in that region, over the last decade or so) refused him and his regional locals permission to recapture Kuwait after Saddam's first incursion, instead bowing to US and UK pressure to allow a vote-gathering war led by the west.

All actions have effects ... some have effects beyond all measure or reason. "This is one of those times". Anyone who thinks it’s the simple result of the beliefs of a single “religion” is an ignorant fool.

*outstanding, and balanced, programme on Radio4 last week ... interesting to note that one commentator (well educated westerner who interviewed Bin Laden several times during his life) said "it's ironic that Bin Laden's death comes at a time when his violent ideology has been proved, by dint of the changes in Egypt and elsewhere, to be out of step with the current mood and times ... his methods, and those of his people, centred as they are in a bloodshed that was a response to bloodshed shown to them and their nations, are fading from acceptance, and represent a failure that he will already have felt, even before recent actions against him. His anger stemmed from being excluded from decisions made in his own region, and yet his own actions have similarly been shown to be a cause for his contemporaries to exclude him and his people from decisions made in the same region".

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 11:03:41 AM

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His beef with the west goes back further than that, though: didn't he take offence when the yanks stopped bankrolling the Mujahadeen (before they were infested with nutcases who think Pakistan is insufficiently theocratic and rebranded as the Taliban) after the collapse of the soviet union pulled the Roosians out of Afghanistan?

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 11:08:30 AM

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His beef with the west goes back further than that, though: didn't he take offence when the yanks stopped bankrolling the Mujahadeen (before they were infested with nutcases who think Pakistan is insufficiently theocratic and rebranded as the Taliban) after the collapse of the soviet union pulled the Roosians out of Afghanistan?

Not exactly. What apparently got to him that time was the fact that the US was happy enough to risk his people on targeted raids, while giving next to no assistance beyond the point where Russia pulled out. In other words, they were happy to provide guns to kill but, ironically, he didn't like the fact they weren't prepared to help the transition to a more 1st-world standard of living.

But the tipping point came after he felt the Saudis had "sold out" to the interests of a bunch of money, oil and vote-grabbing western idiots, later on.

Whatever the case, religion had almost nothing to do with it.

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 11:12:52 AM

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Yep.
If you can characterise somebody as being motivated solely by religion, though, it becomes much easier to cast them as an irrational fanatic with absurd grievances which make no sense to anybody rational and so aren't worth discussing.

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RE: What causes a person to hate ? - 5/9/2011 11:18:13 AM

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Yep.
If you can characterise somebody as being motivated solely by religion, though, it becomes much easier to cast them as an irrational fanatic with absurd grievances which make no sense to anybody rational and so aren't worth discussing.

Absolutely. The western media does it as a matter of course.

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