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NuevaVida -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 7:03:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
I have people sending me coffee and tea from alllllll over the world!


I am sooooo jealous!  [8D]




Icarys -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 7:15:39 AM)

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there is a difference between
being submissive and being a chump.

Not to me there isn't. That's why I prefer slaves.




NuevaVida -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 7:26:16 AM)

I suppose that depends on how you define "chump."




Icarys -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 7:29:47 AM)

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I suppose that depends on how you define "chump."

Yes that is subjective.[:D]




sunshinemiss -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 8:17:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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there is a difference between
being submissive and being a chump.

Not to me there isn't. That's why I prefer slaves.



So, you think submissive people are... fools... easily duped... I didn't realize that was your attitude about so many of the people on here, but I suppose my not realizing it is proof that there could be some truth to it. Although, I think that's more about my penchant to believe the best about people rather than having anything to do with proclivities toward submission or no.




Icarys -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 8:27:40 AM)

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fools... easily duped... I didn't realize that was your attitude about so many of the people on here, but I suppose my not realizing it is proof that there could be some truth to it.

Chump can be used in many situations with slightly different definitional intent.. I'm not sure how you missed my many statements that I think the majority of submissive's are in fact not very submissive.

So yes in a sense..easily duped..Not by others but by themselves.[:D]

~Mr. Lovable.(Where's my sunny quote of the day?) *grin




ThundersCry -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 6:34:23 PM)

Run from him....run fast!




sunshinemiss -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 8:02:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
I have people sending me coffee and tea from alllllll over the world!


I am sooooo jealous!  [8D]




Ah darling, it just means that it's difficult to get good coffee and tea here. Unless you don't mind instant coffee with loads of sugar and non-dairy creamer. And the tea - well it's hard to find the decaf kind I like....




NuevaVida -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 8:07:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Unless you don't mind instant coffee with loads of sugar and non-dairy creamer.


Oh that's just wrong. I'm not jealous anymore!  I will raise a cup in your honor tomorrow morning.  You poor thing.




falccon -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 8:24:01 PM)

this is not a dom but a bully who thinks he can exercise his powers any way he sees fit. get out.




Hisprettybaby -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/13/2011 11:46:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I am very new and still trying to decide if a D/s lifestyle, in some form, is right for me.
The dominant I have been seeing has told me that he simply doesn't care if he hurts my feelings with his comments, or that some of the things he says and does make me emotionally uncomfortable. When I question him, he simply says that this dynamic is simply part of this lifestyle, I need to "get over it" and I "have a lot to learn". Is this true? I have always believed that courtesy and empathy are important parts of all types of human relationships.
I am starting to think that this dynamic has more to do with him than any lifestyle, but I would like to get the opinion of those with more experience. I think this could be important to know before committing to this type of relationship.

In my opinion, this guy's an asshole. I'd get the hell away from someone who didn't give a shit about my feelings. But then, I'm not the one who has to live with him. You are....unless you decided to get the hell away from him. That's up to you and only you.

~Hisprettybaby~




TheCabal -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/17/2011 3:02:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I am very new and still trying to decide if a D/s lifestyle, in some form, is right for me.
The dominant I have been seeing has told me that he simply doesn't care if he hurts my feelings with his comments, or that some of the things he says and does make me emotionally uncomfortable. When I question him, he simply says that this dynamic is simply part of this lifestyle, I need to "get over it" and I "have a lot to learn". Is this true? I have always believed that courtesy and empathy are important parts of all types of human relationships.
I am starting to think that this dynamic has more to do with him than any lifestyle, but I would like to get the opinion of those with more experience. I think this could be important to know before committing to this type of relationship.


First, for some, yes, it's true.  I gave up trying to figure out why certain people like to be treated like crap a long time ago, but oh how they do.  What you're describing is simply the emotional side of the sadism coin.  Some get off on and thrive on this sort of treatment.  To demonstrate this, one need do nothing more than plug 'doormat' into the search function of the profiles and see what comes back.

HOWEVER....  to me a sub should absolutely CRAVE her place at her master's feet (or even by his side, if that's how the relationship is).  And that requires very deep feelings indeed - an to get there, those feelings need to be nurtured, not ignored. 




xssve -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/17/2011 9:35:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I am very new and still trying to decide if a D/s lifestyle, in some form, is right for me.
The dominant I have been seeing has told me that he simply doesn't care if he hurts my feelings with his comments, or that some of the things he says and does make me emotionally uncomfortable. When I question him, he simply says that this dynamic is simply part of this lifestyle, I need to "get over it" and I "have a lot to learn". Is this true? I have always believed that courtesy and empathy are important parts of all types of human relationships.
I am starting to think that this dynamic has more to do with him than any lifestyle, but I would like to get the opinion of those with more experience. I think this could be important to know before committing to this type of relationship.
I agree with him that you've a lot to learn - the first thing you're learned is that having your feelings ignored is not your thing - you're a fast learner!






theRose4U -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/18/2011 3:32:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

You probably already know the answer to your own question. A jerk who enjoys treating someone like crap is someone you might want to stay away from..

[sm=agree.gif]
If you saw this person beating a dog for no reason, what would you think?
If they told you that they beat the dog because they are dominant and "that's the way it is" would you think of his as more or less of a douche?

Not teaching, answering questions, or a frame of reference is a HUGE red flag. Many mysoginist abusive bastards like to claim dominance as an excuse to get a new victim. Most dominant men I know enjoy spanking the snot out of those they treasure and value, not beating the crap out of those that had no idea what they were getting into.

Because I know it will be said: yes, there are those not allowed to have thoughts or feelings in this lifestyle...BUT and that's a big but, they are advanced lifestylers usually in long term relationships that over a period of time (usually years) have given their entire trust and judgement over to their owner.
Not my personal thing and kinda scary to watch but in this context just be wary of the difference in giving yourself in ignorance verses giving yourself in total trust because he's earned it.




xssve -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/21/2011 6:47:28 AM)

Put another way, the whole world is lined up to ignore your feelings - one of the attractions of being in a relationship is to be with at least one person in the world that doesn't.

Submissive or no, it makes no difference, being submissive does not alter your personality to the extent of allowing you to dispense with your emotions, it's just a behavioral mode - ultimately, the person who has to decide if you are happy with the situation or are just putting up with it 'cause you think you have to is you.

There may be times when you have to set you emotions aside temporarily - that's called discipline, but if you don't want to spend the rest of you life like that, keep looking.




DesFIP -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/21/2011 6:49:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
Ah darling, it just means that it's difficult to get good coffee and tea here. Unless you don't mind instant coffee with loads of sugar and non-dairy creamer. And the tea - well it's hard to find the decaf kind I like....


Non dairy creamer qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment in my book.




sunshinemiss -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/21/2011 7:03:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Non dairy creamer qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment in my book.



Are you sure you're allowed to feel taht way Celeste?




xssve -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/21/2011 7:18:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

The obvious answer is that subs have feelings, whether allowed or not.  How they're expressed and dealt with is individual with each Dom.
Best answer yet - you clearly have feelings.

Again, you say "uncomfortable", but no details, lot's of things can make you feel uncomfortable - some women have body issues, don't like being objectified, others might actually enjoy being called a "fat stupid slut" or a "sloppy old fuckhole"  and not because they have a fragile self image, just the opposite, it allows them to stop being self conscious, to just let themselves go, because no matter how awful it might sound, the fact remains the dom is still there paying attention to her, and clearly enjoys her company, they have a rapport, a mutual affection - it isn't rejection, if he really had that low an opinion of her, he'd just kick her to the curb, no? It's often ore a matter of having a sense of humor about yourself, being PC or nice all the time can be a strain - lotsa women call you names right back - sensitive doesn't necessarily mean oversensitive, but it's it's usually a "heat of the moment" thing, the average person doesn't want that going on 24-7, if there's no rapport where you're both comfortable with it, one or both of you is going to be miserable.

Verbal abuse can get to be too much, even if you're into it, at some point, if you don't let up, it can be considered abusive. Others are very picky, they don't mind being called a fat slut, but they don't like being called dumb, or some other combination, everybody has something that rubs them wrong, so a certain amount of communication is called for, it can't be one way, not if it's going to last very long.
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It is complicated emotionally, you do have have a bit of a thick skin, if no other reason than you also have to deal with people who don't know you and love you for yourself, objectifying you and saying bad or worse - and meaning it.

So, there's a little bit of desensitization involved, a lot of people in this lifestyle just don't give a crap what anybody else thinks, but ultimately, what level, and how comfortable you are with that is a decision you have to make - if you're a Christian submissive, for instance, I don't imagine objectification and humiliation would be a big part of it, most women do prefer praise, some women just don't like dirty talk, let alone verbal abuse, but these are thing you will encounter, so to some extent you will have to adjust to more explicit language - men are generally confined to expressing much narrower subset of emotional range, we're expected to be all balls and thunder and that can be a bit limiting, so some of these things are actually tantamount to formulae, or code: you say, "slut", but it means something completely different than it might mean in a vanilla context. For Women of course, often the opposite, they're confined to the subset of "feminine", passive, emotions, have a hard time expressing more aggressive or confident emotions - there are women who are uncomfortable with anything but abuse, can't stand praise, bored shitless by sensitivity, but otherwise perfectly functional in every way.

Otherwise, there really are no rules here, what works for one couple is completely different than what works for another - the only thing they really have in common is the power exchange dynamic, the rest you can tailor to your personal preferences, and it's mainly a matter of finding someone who shares those preferences, every relationship has it's rocky points, and all relationships are to some extent a compromise between what you need and what you want, what you can live with and what you can't.

Anyway, I don't know if that's it, or if it's something physical you don't like, or some combination, but my motto is, if you ain't havin' fun, what the hell are you doin' it for?




xssve -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/21/2011 7:26:58 AM)

Ultimately, it's about finding your comfort zone, learning to love yourself, even if you are a big fat slut, and finding someone who loves you for being that way.

The truth is, if it wasn't for the rest of the world trying to drag you down, the dynamic wouldn't even exist.




sunshinemiss -> RE: A sub's feelings - is she allowed to have them? (5/21/2011 7:47:31 AM)

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The truth is, if it wasn't for the rest of the world trying to drag you down, the dynamic wouldn't even exist.


An interesting point of view. But I"m too sleepy to formulate a worthy response.

best,
sunshine




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