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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 1:07:16 PM

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Can anyone find last year's stats for accidental shooting deaths and injuries?

Gun Safety for Kids and Youth

What are the statistics about young people and firearm deaths and injuries?

...preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates. The findings indicate that gun availability is associated with accidental death by shooting

Statistics, Gun Control Issues, and Safety

Crikey, Ireland must be one very depressing place to live....

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 1:07:27 PM

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After Hurricane Andrew, the winds were down to about 30 MPH and the looters were already out. Several armed looters started up My driveway and decided to go else where when a rifle was pointed at them.

Nobody was hurt. They just decided to do the thing that would save their own lives.

I would love to hear more about this!

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 1:10:34 PM

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After Hurricane Andrew, the winds were down to about 30 MPH and the looters were already out. Several armed looters started up My driveway and decided to go else where when a rifle was pointed at them.

Nobody was hurt. They just decided to do the thing that would save their own lives.

I would love to hear more about this!

That's basically all there was. I had just gone thru 8 hours of having a house jackhammered to gravel around me and I was in no damn mood for looters. A deer rifle pointed at you from close range will convince all but the stupidest.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 1:49:12 PM

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Wow!!

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 3:39:39 PM

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I LOVE a happy ending like this!

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 3:42:36 PM

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"A Gwinnett county woman shot and killed a home invasion suspect Wednesday morning after the knife-wielding intruder attacked her in the shower, police said."

So she what? Had gun on a rope?

Warning - If I see an infomercial a week from now touting "Gun On A Rope", no amount of firearms will protect anyone from the intellectual property suit launched by my attorneys Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 4:05:27 PM

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Funny, I don't see anything about intruders etc., killed or stopped, nor do I see anyhting about killings by law enforcement officers. Wonder why.

I read somewhere that law enforcement kills more than any other category, but who knows if that's right. I tried a while back to get the numbers on that, but to no avail.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 4:12:01 PM

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Good for her!
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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 4:16:34 PM

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Funny, I don't see anything about intruders etc., killed or stopped, nor do I see anyhting about killings by law enforcement officers. Wonder why.

I read somewhere that law enforcement kills more than any other category, but who knows if that's right. I tried a while back to get the numbers on that, but to no avail.

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cos thats a chart of kids under 15 deaths

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 4:37:11 PM

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Another thing about firearms, and it is important. Number one make sure you don't accidentally shoot a family member or roommate. This is hard considering rule number two. Here is the deal. They see the gun, either their hands go up or they turn around. IMMEDIATELY.

You know your home, you know where the corners are where someone could be hiding. You must keep your distance to avoid "eating" your gun. Some criminals are tough and fast. You must stay out of arm's reach. Also if using a revolver make sure it is cocked first because they might just grab ahold of it which will prevent the cylinder from turning. Be completely ready. And have the lights on.

A very tough, motivated and smart criminal will instantly turn his back on you. If you do end up shooting him in the back it better be at night, you just say the lights were off. With castle law you might get away with shooting him in the back, but your chances are not good. The ones who really know what they're doing will simply walk away slowly.

This turning the back idea happened to someone I know through people. The intruder did actually bring a gun and intended to kill this person. The intruder turned his back and got shot anyway. This was about twenty years ago and the guy just got out. Now the person who witnessed it ( and testified ) is in quite a quandry because the guy's handle was Wacko. It rhymes with his last mane.

So TURN THE LIGHTS ON and be fully locked and loaded with the safety off. BE SURE of what you are doing, there is no second chance.

And as much as I would like to see everyone in the world armed and able to protect themselves and their loved ones, if you can't handle it, don't bother. As much as I hate to say it, shoot an animal or a bird first and make sure it's dead. If you can't handle that, you're likely to be too squeamish to pull the trigger. And if you are too frail for whatever reason, it might not be a good idea. In those cases usually a dog is the better choice.

I applaud every time some scumbag gets blown away. But if you can't or won't do it, you're more likely to lose the firearm and put it in the hands of someone that you don't want to have it. You cannot hesitate.

And note, this only applies in the house, outside is a whole different story, except for the turning of the back. If they do that outside I don't recommend shooting them. You will have trouble from the law, unless you yourself get away.

Get it through your head, if someone already did time all they did was to work out, fight and spar and hone their physical prowess. But you still must be sure.

No responsible firearm owner would take this lightly.

And for all you in Europe, the UK or wherever they have stripped you of your personal self defense, you do have knives, ball peen hammers and things like that. And if you do shoot someone there, take the unfired rounds out and find the shell from the one you fired. Wipe them down for fingerprints and take the corpse's fingers and put his prints on them and put them back in. And hope your Grandmother can do the same.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 6:51:06 PM

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lisub4one,

While you may still view it as a right when you speak of governing bodies and licensing you relegate it to that of a privilege and marginalize gun ownership further. Freedoms and Rights aren't something to be earned, they are there to be used and if done so irresponsibly there are consequences. Also, those who purchase guns and desire to use them have to have a minimum of knowledge to work it and go to a range. While it is sad when there is an accidental death for whatever reason I don't differentiate between whether it was caused by a knife, gun, car or other means. That cases relating to firearms are cherry picked and even avid gun owners are often unaware of the real statistics (a single number or a few instances out of millions does not give anywhere near an accurate picture) and assume most other owners are morons is saddening.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 7:58:09 PM

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Here in Missouri as far as I can tell we have not had a decrease in gun crime since our conceal and carry was passed. But we have in the last two weeks had two children shot with hand guns and one man managed to kill himself with a hand gun in a gun safety program.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 8:43:48 PM

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My aunt was almost killed in a gun accident in which a hunting rifle went off as my uncle was cleaning it. She walked across the room as it went off. She lost her uterus.

There was a boy I knew in school. He was shot in the head when he was 10 years old when he went to visit a friend. This friend's father was a gun owner and his friend wanted to show him the gun. He arrived at the hospital brain dead.

Both of the above stories happened because gun safety rules weren't followed. It just seems an unnecessary risk to me, so I wouldn't allow my son to visit people who had guns. It caused some tension between myself and other parents, because gun ownership was very common in my hometown , but it was a decision I made in the best interest of my child. Accidents happen, why not remove the cause of one that is just waiting to happen.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 8:57:14 PM

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You have a very funny profile

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 9:04:56 PM

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Not to rain on your parade ... I agree that something's wrong. But not a REAL long time ago, I had to travel to Northern Ireland to set up a support call center for my company. And the company required me to be in the company of a driver who was was like former royal navy and a real tough bastard. And it was not to protect me from getting swept up in a suicide. There are a lot of handguns floating around cities there and a fair amount of violent crime. maybe they just write shootings up differently.
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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 9:10:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Can anyone find last year's stats for accidental shooting deaths and injuries?

Gun Safety for Kids and Youth

What are the statistics about young people and firearm deaths and injuries?

...preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates. The findings indicate that gun availability is associated with accidental death by shooting

Statistics, Gun Control Issues, and Safety

Crikey, Ireland must be one very depressing place to live....

Focus.

Hey ... I see a positive here... If in the US we could enhance gun safety by eliminating accidents, we'd be able to trim back our reputation ion the world to Catastrophically Out Of Control

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/12/2011 11:26:49 PM

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You grew up in the suburbs.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/13/2011 4:33:17 AM

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Hey ... I see a positive here... If in the US we could enhance gun safety by eliminating accidents, we'd be able to trim back our reputation ion the world to Catastrophically Out Of Control

I'm sure they've got all kinds of gimmicky, band-aid solutions to avoid the real issue of gun availability.

I always chuckled at that rallying cry of "Guns don't kill people - people kill people!" Many Americans might well be surprised at just how many people do live in the other western nations of the world who aren't shooting each other in their thousands, annually.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/13/2011 4:41:02 AM

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"My aunt was almost killed in a gun accident in which a hunting rifle went off as my uncle was cleaning it."

He is/was completely stoooooopid then. I hope he's dead, really. It would be better for society. He shouldn't be allowed to have a fucking fork, give him a spork like they give people in jail or the mental hospital, and please don't tell me that he ever drove a car !

No idiot I can think of would attempt to clean a gun without checking to see if there was a round in the chanber, he must be much stooooopider than that. He either didn't know what the fuck he was doing or he lied to you, in that he REALLY meant to shoot.

Total fucking bullshit, either the story or the people. Maybe YOU shouldn't have guns, but that has no effect on MY RIGHTS. And if any idiot comes around here with a gun and doesn't know how to use it, he won't be shooting anyone else. Sorry about his luck.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/13/2011 5:03:31 AM

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"I always chuckled at that rallying cry of "Guns don't kill people - people kill people!" Many Americans might well be surprised at just how many people do live in the other western nations of the world who aren't shooting each other in their thousands, annually. "

I don't care. I am not a Borg nor part of a collective. Others are not a part of me, I AM AN INDIVIDUAL. You fuck with me I will kill you. I don't care if 99% of the children in the whole world get mowed down by the next postal worker, I do not give up my right to kill.

You want it dirty and ugly, here it is. I won't blow your head off for fucking me out of $1,500 if I like your kids. All these people around here are faces. They talk and talk and all this shit but if you get them pissed they will kill you. That is our way. We are savages, here and around the world, you have seen footage I'm sure on BBC at least.

We have Mexicans. and all kinds of middle and south Americans coming in here who don't take shit. Well neither do I, this is MY country and if I have to be put to the chair and/or put away for exercising my right to KILL, so be it.

It gets uglier than that. N______ here have killed others for their fucking tennis shoes. Why don't you try living in an environment like this before you pass judgement on our savages, to whom if we do not respond and KILL, will kill us.

This country is a war zone, and except for me you are talking (apparently) to people who live in ivory towers somewhere, perhaps Telluride, Colorado.

I don't live in Telluride and I can tell you that only about 5% of this rock is like that.

And if your government want you to disarm yourself, why don't they disarm themselves ? Answers me that. They are supposed to represent you right ? So why do they need the superior force ? Riddle me that Batman.

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