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LadiesBladewing -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 12:24:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

Written in 3rd speak with the intent to take focus off the speaker (and to add emphasis to Master):
"Master took his His slave to the bondage party last night. He had great fun. He warmed his slave up with a flogger, but then His session turned to the whip. His girl loves the whip. He knows how much she likes it and decided to tease her for a while first. In the end, He had a great scene. Then He spent some casual time with another couple He's great friends with. His slave felt warm and glowy the whole time others were talking and didn't really hear much of the conversation. The night ended with Master holding His slave in His arms while she fell asleep."

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This gave me the "thing" that I couldn't figure out how to explain earlier, but you've helped me to figure out the missing piece, Proprietrix.

When we work with our servants here on externally-focused speech patterns, we usually train by example, like Proprietrix did. One thing that struck me in the third presentation was that, in reading it, it reads like a story, created by an external viewer, looking out on a scene and describing it. In many ways, effective use of 3rd person speech is a form of graceful narration of one's life. The focus drifts from the narrator, and settles on where the narrator's focus lands. If, in the case of service-life, the focus is on the owner/guide, the language describing and relating to that life become owner-focused as well.

Think of the act of speaking in 3rd person in service-based speech modification as narrating your own life, with the spotlight on -anything- in the scene besides oneself and it should flow smoothly. If it is available in your locale, a community college or adult continuing education course in creative writing can be -very- helpful.

Thanks again for the mind-boost, Proprietrix.

LZ







BitaTruble -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 12:46:18 PM)

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One thing that struck me in the third presentation was that, in reading it, it reads like a story, created by an external viewer, looking out on a scene and describing it. In many ways, effective use of 3rd person speech is a form of graceful narration of one's life. The focus drifts from the narrator, and settles on where the narrator's focus lands. If, in the case of service-life, the focus is on the owner/guide, the language describing and relating to that life become owner-focused as well.



To a point, I agree with this, but in the examples given, I think a lot of the 'meaning' was lost in an effort to create clinically accurate 3rd person speech.

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"Master and I went to the bondage party last night. It was great fun! He warmed me up with a flogger, but then our session turned to the whip. I love the whip! He knows how much I like it and decided to tease me for a while first. In the end, we had a great scene. Then we spent some casual time with another couple we're great friends with. I felt warm and glowy the whole time they were talking and didn't really hear much of the conversation. The night ended with me falling asleep in Master's arms."
 
quote:

Written in 3rd speak with the intent to take focus off the speaker (and to add emphasis to Master):
"Master took his His slave to the bondage party last night. He had great fun. He warmed his slave up with a flogger, but then His session turned to the whip. His girl loves the whip. He knows how much she likes it and decided to tease her for a while first. In the end, He had a great scene. Then He spent some casual time with another couple He's great friends with. His slave felt warm and glowy the whole time others were talking and didn't really hear much of the conversation. The night ended with Master holding His slave in His arms while she fell asleep."
 To me, these two paragraphs convey two very different accounts of the same night. The one in third person paints an entirely different picture from what really took place. I don't think that's the intention of third person speech. It seems to me that while the focus of the paragraph has been taken off the slave, it's been done at the expense of an accurate accounting of what took place. It just rings false to me. What a bondage party last night! Such great fun! Master decided to warm up with floggers which turned into markings with whips (Woot!) and, of course, there was His requisite teasing for some added enjoyment! He is soooo good at what He does. Ah, such feelings invoked ... so warm and glowy. To be part of such an incredible scene is just WOW! Afterwards, there was time spent with another couple, friends for quite a long while actually. The endorphins from the session could not be easily shaken. So much so, in fact, that only snatches of conversation between Master and the other couple were heard as things such as hearing and understanding became low priorities overwhelmed by the atmosphere He created during the scene..  but that flight, the warmth and peace from enduring it allowed for a deep and satisfying sleep in the arms of Master at the end of the night.  To me, the above account accurately portrays what really took place without putting undue focus on the slave. I think a Master who has a standing order of such is more interested in effort and results to convey the meaning of what's happening, rather than taking something so wonderful as the evening described and turning into a clinical exercise of 3rd person speech. I mean, is the purpose of third person speech meant to be an exercise in it's use.. or an exercise in how to properly convey thoughts and ideas without a focus on self? The latter seems to make more sense than the former. Just a thought. Celeste




Rule -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 2:19:58 PM)

The essence of the rules provided by RiotGirl's Master is that there is no more "I, RiotGirl", nor an "i, RiotGirl".  RiotGirl's Master has commanded that henceforth there will only be Master's slave RiotGirl.
 
The effect of these rules is that Master's slave RiotGirl is taken to a deeper level of being Master's slave. In this way RiotGirl's ego will gradually get the message and be convinced that she has become superfluous and be motivated to leave the body of the slave RiotGirl and yield it to its proper owner: RiotGirl's Master.
 
Master's slave RiotGirl therefore not only has to express herself externally by the rules provided by RiotGirl's Master, but she also has to internalize their essence.




mnottertail -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 2:30:49 PM)

Ummmmmmmm..........that appears to contradict rule one.  There is no RiotGirl......only riotgirl.  it has many profiles and email addys to change.
The slave must consider what Master is saying more carefully. For example,
does it say 'slut had dinner with My Master last night' ?
or does the thing say 'my Master allowed me to be in His presence publicly while He ate?'  

Which is it here ( Y ) rg?  (it is clever enough to figure out where this training is going, n'est ce pas?)

with hope and gladness for you,

Ron Melby 


We are ..........not amused....
Is royal use... for the things that are following this............




LadiesBladewing -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 3:42:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
For example,
does it say 'slut had dinner with My Master last night' ?
or does the thing say 'my Master allowed me to be in His presence publicly while He ate?'  

Ron Melby 


Ron,

I can't speak for RiotGirl's situation, but in our home the above would be:

"Master allowed the servant(s) to remain in his presence throughout the meal."

or

"Master allowed Genevive to remain at his side/feet/table while he ate."

One of our "rules" that go along with the whole externally-focused language modification is that our servants do not get to use possessives. They are learning, by the point that we bring this into play, to yield at very deep and very profound levels, and they've already yielded up the claim to material belongings and attachments to other individuals that they still have a measure of control over. (Suffice to say, this is only -rarely- a technique we use with a beginning servant, and never to its full extent), so there is no "my", as that is a possessive, and the servant does not own the owner, but the other way around, so the servant would not use a possessive in relation to the owner.

(BTW, the recognition of how many times we use me, mine, my, etc. comes as a real shock to many who have gone through this with us, and they've said it is more challenging to break as a habit than adopting the other-centric speech modifications.)

Lady Zephyr




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 5:47:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

if everyone used "proper grammer" all the time we'd be robots.. if everyone was alike.. plus its more entertaining to read individualized writing styles


That's not true.  What we say is highly individualized, even if all the grammar is correct and precise.  Writing style implies more a flavor and texture of writing, and less the actual use of capitalization and punctuation.  Using incorrect grammar isn't always artistic license.  Sometimes it's just negligence.  With that said, there are some great examples of incorrenct grammar in literature and poetry:  Diane De Prima, ee cummings, Allen Ginsberg.  I've even been known to dabble in it where some of my poetry is concerned.  The difference between this kind of artistic expression and what is posted on this message board is that what we post here isn't art (there are exceptions).  We post fact and opinion in an informative style, not as great pieces of interpretive poetry. 

Ok, that was long-winded.  The gist of what I'm trying to say is that I understand personal expression through the improper use of grammar, I just think that there is a time and a place for it.  In my opinion, this forum probably isn't the place.  I come from the school of thought that would like my posts to be a clear as possible.




RiotGirl -> RE: Speech (5/12/2006 7:48:36 PM)

Hiddy hoe neighbors!!

~~There are SEA monkies in the bathroom~~  Think they should be offered a banana?

Mz Bladewing!  Its definetly nice to run into others who understand the degrees of dyslexia.  Sorry for the struggles you and yours endured coping with it.  LOL  totally agree with your son.. it is more trouble then its worth, whic is why one doesnt bother much to edit.  blah.  Agreed it can be over come.  one's father is slightly dyslexic and has accomplished so much its incredible.. all through diligent hard work and using his brain.  Its amazing to see how he went from absolutetly nothing and no one to help to pretty much a millionaire.  The little brother actually recently got in trouble in military school, after a psych eval they found out he is slightly dyslexic as well and borderline genuis.  LOL  The family is now considering one and her intelligence level.  hehehehe  (wierd ppl they are!)  Do know, her father's intelligence is a dime a dozen - one highly respectable and the *only* place one can go for any logical solution to any problem.  Workable solutions.

Now you've got the wondering about the link of dyslexia and intelligence brewing up again!

Proprietrix you ROCK too!!!!  May one thank you tons?  Completely agreed of "why" 3rd person speech is a great tool, one she looks forward to learning from!  Do you think "one" is an okay replacement?  Kind of like it over here.. Will work on deleting the "this" from her speech. 

Padriag!  Sorry for being abit... er.. well you know, earlier.  Its been an unpleasant day and it can often show in the way one is thinking.  Arg!  Master hates the varieties of attitude that pop up!  Master's slave will bring your suggestions to Master and see what He thinks.  Mucho appreciate the helpful advice!  Is there any chance you could give your rules on 3rd person speech?  Of course, they'll be checked with Master to see what He thinks and it  would be great for other "ideas"

Mr Mnotter!  hmmmm very true.. no more "riotgirl"  but Master hasnt taken her name from her and even allows the use of it.  We were driving and Master was playfully using 3rd person to show her how "easy" it is.. (using His name as an example) Arg! profiles and addy's to change.. oh my gosh.... LOL .. His slave thinks she'll wait for Master's instructions on that LOL .. hmm of course while she's alone.. it might be something fun and productive, initiative to do.. hmm  Thank you for the suggestion!

er no.. it says.. Master graciously bestowed the priviledge of being in His presence while He ate = )  OR Master's dirty slut was granted the pleasure and priviledge to be in His heavenly presence while He ate dinner!  <grins>  (like that dirty part.. hehehehehe)   Ooooooo  though.. like that "it"  too.  Where the training is going, hmm  yeah it  could figure it out pretty easy.  Bits and pieces here and there add up to a complete puzzle or so much of a puzzle that its not hard to know what the picture is, but of course its just left the pieces floating around and hasnt been too concerned what the picture is.  Thank you for something new and interesting to contemplate.

n'est ce pas?  (and what does the Y mean.. the Y gene?.. yes?  why? arg)  one might have to go grab her sister and have the sister translate.. as its been a few years since any needed french.  Royal use.. it did sound familiar!  (light bulb!)  Is this correct “Quod nihil illi deerat ad regnandum praeter regnum... take change, make things happen, dreams dreams and then translate them into reality??

Thanks all for the advice, suggestions and ideas!  Will, of course, ask Master's opionon and hopefully work them in.  Sounds like fun!







ExistentialSteel -> RE: Speech (5/13/2006 10:18:40 PM)

Heck, I'm still wondering how to handle the sea monkies in the bathroom. In any case, RiotGirl, you loveable, brilliant, movie star look alike. The problems you have. I’ll just offer encouragement. With your abilities to assimilate and learn in nontraditional ways since your days of dropping out of high school, you will do this command well and figure out all the grammatical fine distinctions.  You will find things to read and absorb the flavor, concepts and rules. This should be a piece of cake for you.




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