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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/2/2011 4:50:50 AM

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In France, article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, of constitutional value, says "Everyone is supposed innocent until having been declared guilty." and the preliminary article of the code of criminal procedure says "any suspected or prosecuted person is presumed to be innocent until their guilt has been established". The jurors' oath reiterates this assertion.

A quick check would have shown you that it's not true, especially since France was one of the countries who supported the US in the declaration of independence and the French ideas are reflected in your constitution.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/2/2011 12:26:38 PM

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I don't know how you came to "understand" that, as far as I know, European countries handle things in that respect the same way the US does - innocent until proven guilty, but I only live here, so don't take my word for it...

Btw does that come from the same school as "All French women don't shave their legs, all Italians eat is pizza and spaghetti, Germans goose step and Scandinavians walk around mumbling "Smoerebroet, Smoerebroet" and all Swiss are filthy rich..."

Its their armpits that French women don't shave. The rest are right on!

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/3/2011 7:01:04 PM

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I have actually been in these videos that you have mentioned.Who knows,you might have seen me in 1 or 2 of those videos.The fact is the majority of people who do this are not homeless.They have jobs.This just happens to be their kink.I would say probaly 99% of the guys in these videos are just people who are into this.Perhaps less than 1% are homeless,if that.

This case is a civil lawsuit brought up by 2 "homeless" men who appeared in some of these videos.Mind you,these 2 guys both signed consensual agreements,like everyone else does.Plus they came back at least 6 or 7 times to be in these videos.If these poor guys were abused,why would they come back so many times to do this.They knew what they were getting into,plain and simple.I think what has got alot of peoples attention is the nature of these videos.It certainly has shocked the local community around here.Its been in the paper and on the news.Its even shocked a few people in the kink community.The problem with the media is they are saying anything it takes to get a headline story.So,if it sounds like homeless people are getting beaten up and abused,it gets mainstream media attention.

There is a "homeless" group that is providing attorneys for these 2 homeless guys.I am sure they see dollar signs with this case.The gentleman who runs these sites has done very successful.He has sold alot of videos and his company has produced massive profits.So of course any lawyer see's dollar signs with this case.The important thing is to let the court play out.Any court of law should base its case on facts,nothing else.I think the wider issue is that this "fetish","kink" has shocked alot of people.There are some who may not want this around.Basically playing politicial hostage because they may not like what other people are into.No one says that this is for everyone.Thats fine.Just don't judge those who are into this stuff.I myself have toned down quite a bit of the types of things I do these days.Thats my choice.Live and let live.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/4/2011 12:00:28 AM

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Since we're showing videos about Shefights,here is a video from another point of view.This is by a local radio host here in the Tampa Bay area who's name is "Bubba the Love Sponge".This video comes from a local TV segment he has on a local channel here in the Tampa Bay area.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/187038/8/Bubba-the-Love-Sponge-shefightsnet

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/4/2011 12:21:16 AM

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You are asking some good questions Lady Constanze.Florida is a unique state with its own set of laws.In Florida,homeless people are protected under a hate crime status,just like people of color and gay people have that same protection here in Florida.The local St.Pete Police did investigate Shefights for anything illegal.So far,there have been no criminal charges brought up.No ones going to jail as a result of a civil trial.The 2 guys suing along with their lawayers are basically trying to make money off of this deal.Let me make myself clear,I do not officially speak for Shefights.I am just someone who were in some of those videos and I speak for myself from my own experience.Its too bad America does not adopt a simliar law like that in Europe.Where if your making bogus claims in court,you should have to pay back any legal bills the defendant has to pay.The best 1 can do here is counter sue for ruining someone reputation and try to reclaim some of that money that way.I hope some of this helps to answer your questions Lady C.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/5/2011 10:39:53 PM

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Wow I use to live in the st pete area and was very interested in being on the she fights web site but I did not because at the time they did not accept anybody to wear a mask. The site does have people from all walks of life and dont understand why they would use a homeless person when there are so many men that are successful that would enjoy a beat down session. It was just a bad choice on the man that runs the web site.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/5/2011 10:46:10 PM

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Oh and this case should be a summary of judgement and should not of gone to case. But BDSM in the news and in court gets headlines and alot of people not in this lifestyle simply want to find ways to shut down websites like this. This is why shows like law and order which I have not seen or shows with a law theme showcase at times the BDSM lifestyle. Even people that are not into BDSM end up curious. It is a bogas waste of time case the risk is clear in a beat down session that you might get hurt.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/6/2011 3:27:03 AM

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Charles and Nouser, thanks for your explanations.

As I said a few things really puzzled me, I was under the impression that there were plenty of volunteers, it's not my kink but just because it's not my kink it doesn't make it wrong.

It was simply the fact that the media claimed homeless people were exploited, I wondered if they used predominantly homeless people and recruited them actively, then why were only 2 of them willing to sue? It doesn't make sense.

As for the videos themselves, I've seen a few and I had concerns, in martial arts you don't hit the kidneys or the spine, you do in a street brawl or a real fight when it comes to defending yourself, in training the coach would have me out by the ear and possibly tell me to do push ups until I drop, rope jump until I crumble and all the rest, if I'd do it again, I'd be banned. But then again they aren't martial arts videos and if they guys are aware of the risks, then it's RACK and just because I think it's crazy and a bit stupid, well, still their thing.

You have to understand that in BDSM the whole thing is about no lasting damage, in most clubs or at play parties somebody who'd get the spine or the kidneys would be told and warned. The videos have a different mindset and I think they do appeal to a different audience. I find them risky and I'm more than a bit concerned about potential damage, but then again, if all parties involved are happy with it, none of my business, as long as they're all willing participants.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/6/2011 2:22:29 PM

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Shefights does have a member profile listed right here on Collarme.That is how I first found out about Shefights.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/6/2011 5:34:54 PM

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I am kinda glad to be in Europe, where there is such a thing as "frivolous lawsuits" and you can actually get slapped for wasting valuable court time...

On an unrelated note, I'm envious for a variety of reasons.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/9/2011 2:23:29 AM

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I will say this.I have not really done any videos for Shefights in a very long time.I don't know if what the media is saying about him is true or not now.When I did work for him,he didn't recruit homeless people.If what is being said about him is true,then you won't hear me defending anyone.I would personally never condone recruiting homeless people to have some girls beat them up to make money.I do see where the outrage comes from on a moral standpoint.I guess let the trial plays itself out.I just think people should be "innocent until proven guilty".Not "guilty until proven innocence."

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/11/2011 2:54:38 PM

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I must admit mixed feelings on this case. I find the shefights action a turnon. The women are beautiful and strong. A beatdown by a woman
is a fantasy of mine. I might have tried to drive over and participate, but I heard some of the guys were hospitalized. Then I heard about
using homeless people and drug addicts. When they added whipping, I wondered how skilled the women were with whips. Doesn't a Mistress pride herself
on hurting someone, but not causing damage, not sending a guy to the hospital and not leaving horrible marks from a whipping?

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/12/2011 4:15:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: kickable

I must admit mixed feelings on this case. I find the shefights action a turnon. The women are beautiful and strong. A beatdown by a woman
is a fantasy of mine. I might have tried to drive over and participate, but I heard some of the guys were hospitalized. Then I heard about
using homeless people and drug addicts. When they added whipping, I wondered how skilled the women were with whips. Doesn't a Mistress pride herself
on hurting someone, but not causing damage, not sending a guy to the hospital and not leaving horrible marks from a whipping?

I dunno, I have seen a few of their whipping videos (2 or maybe 3 so not a lot) and I have to admit that I didn't think the skill set was bad. The homeless stuff shocked me too, but then I noticed that there doesn't seem to be a criminal law suit, just a private one (for compensation), so it could be all a bit of a hype by the media, what a brilliant headline to use BDSM and exploitation together.... The hospitalization stuff, yeah, actually chatted with one of the guys who went to hospital for a dislocation, but he actually liked that, as I said, not my thing but 2 consenting adults, not my business what they do with each other.

As for not leaving marks from whippings, it's individual preference, some guys get off on having long lasting marks, I guess it depends if they are married or in a relationship or their gym membership...

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/20/2011 7:01:37 PM

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I don't do these videos anymore.I don't wish to wind up in the hostpital like some of these guys have.I should consider myself lucky that I didn't wind up with a serious injuries to myself for doing this.I don't want to push my luck.I had some fun,it was interesting.I will leave it at that.I am not a hardcore pain fanatic.Especially when it comes to winding up in the hostpital.I don't mind some pain but trust me,this stuff that goes on in these videos are very real.There is no acting involved.It isn't like professional wrestling where everything is staged.What these girls do is the real stuff.At first I was curious.Then after awhile,I cured my curiousity.I will always be a submissive and I wouldn't even mind doing other kinds of videos.However,not being a paid punching bag.Its not even worth the risk.Hey,if someone else wants to try it,by all means go for it.More power to them.Just realize these videos aren't fake.The hits,kicks and whippings are all real.If someone like hardcore pain,then this is probaly for them.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 6/26/2011 7:13:15 PM

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I do take back what I said in my last post.I am not going to say that I won't shoot videos again because that sounds too final.I just will apply caution.For me,I have always applied caution when I have been in these videos.Common sense does makes a big difference.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 7/8/2011 4:09:35 AM

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It's a marketing publicity stunt. Any news is promotion in this sheeple fuctard state

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RE: Florida Court Case - 7/11/2011 6:44:45 AM

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This wasn't a intentional publicity stunt.These 2 homeless guys really sued and the media has been all over this case.Of course,I wouldn't be surprised if the owner has certainly used this media attention to his advantage,who wouldn't?He couldn't buy this kind of media attention if he had all the money in the world.The media just helped to get his website into mainstream society now.Think of all those new viewers to that site who wouldn't be there if it wasn't for this media circus.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 7/13/2011 12:28:31 PM

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Well, I just assumed that for certain crimes there are criminal charges and an attorney of state will prosecute, at least that's how it works on this side of the pond, I thought it was the same way in the US, the civil trials mainly seem to deal with compensation...

For example if I cause an accident by reckless driving and injure you, you can sue me in a private lawsuit for compensation, you don't have to sue me for a criminal conviction as the attorney of state will do that, because reckless driving and injuring somebody are crimes, in fact even if you won't sue me for compensation, I still will be prosecuted by the attorney of state... So I don't understand why there is no criminal investigation, especially since people claim they were injured and so far I haven't found a country where you can actually give consent for abuse...

That is the way it works in the states, "civilians" do not pursue criminal charges, it is up to the state to determine if there is sufficient evidence for such a case. Civil suits are not pursued by the state but by the individual or group who alleges they were "harmed" by the defendant's actions.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 7/13/2011 12:30:29 PM

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red would know better, but as far as i understand down here, you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt for a criminal case. for a civil, you just have to prove "clear and convincing evidence" or "preponderance of the evidence" (in order of level of proof, taken from wiki)

That would be the case in all of the USA. "Preponderance of the evidence" typically means that more likely than not, the evidence shows in favor of the plaintiff's case.

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RE: Florida Court Case - 7/13/2011 12:39:26 PM

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I am kinda glad to be in Europe, where there is such a thing as "frivolous lawsuits" and you can actually get slapped for wasting valuable court time...

...if only we'd penalize people in our courts for such things...but as long as our lawmakers are the same ones who directly profit from the laws and legal procedures they create it will never happen. The biggest conflict of interest and cash cow possible....What you have in punishing people who file frivolous suits, is a built in deterrent to lawyers making money.

Limit lawyers to trying cases and to act as judges.

MC

Actually, the US does have such provisions written in the statutes, but they are "may" not "shall," meaning that the court does not have to penalize the plaintiff. It has been done, but it is rare. It rare in most cases, even matrimonial, which has more frivolous actions than most other types of cases, for judges to even award attorney fees.

One of the reasons the judges in the US don't is due to the reasoning that by doing so, the poor and downtrodden would decide not to sue for legitimate things, as well as the defendants would always attempt to prove cases as frivolous. There should, however, be more times that judges apply the sanctions permitted by law to keep people from filing frivolous suits.

The concept of having lawyers "act as judges" is simply foolish. If lawyers acted like judges, there would be no need for judges. Being a judge may be what many lawyers aspire to, but it is not and should not be their job to act as a judge.

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