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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 8:39:14 AM

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Lets take this from the top, shall we?

Arpig - excellent synopsis, thanks!

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 8:48:12 AM

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And I think about 50% of the folks reading and replying are wondering if you might actually be a dude with this fetish here trying to give it props by pretending to be a Dominant Female who is in to it. It happens...welcome to the internet.

I would absolutely put money on this being true. The OP probably has posted a Domme profile professing an interest in toilet slavery in order to find out if he was so all alone in the world. The female profile is up but the person behind the profile is not a female Dominant.

The profile picture was totally something a man obsessed with the kink would post. I'm positive the OP has it blown up and tacked to his ceiling so he can masturbate to it endlessly. There are many other details that support Otters post as well.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 8:51:04 AM

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for whatever it is worth,i posted because I had read several earlier posts when looking through the forums and found quite a bit of negative response to many guys who spoke of being toilet slaves so i thought i would share my brief experience.Again,to make it clear I HAVE received over a thousand responses from men asking to be my toilet in a variety of ways.A great many of them with pictures and phone numbers etc.I have communicated with several of them but only a small % of the responses I have received,I never said otherwise.I am not suggesting that toilet activities are everybody's cup of tea,only that there is a surprisingly large # of men into and seeking it.I also maintain that toilet activities are in essence an extension for some of oral worship and face sitting and rimming etc.Lastly,,I am perplexed as to how a group of people in this lifestyle and on this site which caters to such extreme things as knife play,cutting,needle play,cbt etc etc and dont bat an eye at those activities can be so incredibly judgmental about toilet activities.Why the venom is all I ask?

Why the venom? Christ the only venom was coming from you and is coming from you. Because something is a hard limit for me it makes me narrow minded? And sorry but shitting into somebody's mouth (let's not mince words here) is a bit different than oral worship, if you don't believe me, have him lick other orifices after you did the big dump on him and then see how you like the infections...

As for the surprisingly large number of men, again, every pro-domme can tell you that the ones who flake the most are the "toilets" - seen it over and over with girls who offered FT, to the point of them taking a deposit because most of the guys apparently have fun thinking about a woman holding it in and waiting for the client to show up or putting her through a change of diet and trying to change their normal bowel functions to a time when it would suit the guys...

If you're so happy to do it, it's fine and nobody minds, it's just some of our stomachs might be a bit delicate...

As I said, I hope you find your toilet slave (with thousands of replies it shouldn't be difficult to fill the guy who fills the position), since you always know where your arse will have been, I just wonder if you will know exactly where his mouth has been, and hope you're not running into somebody who the day before had a FT session with somebody who had some diseases that are easily transmitted by feces, but then again, it's your health and your risk, if you are comfy taking it, none of my business.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 8:59:42 AM

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i always laugh when I read people here suggesting that somehow toiletslavery or men into being used as womans toilets is somehow a small and tiny fringe thing.I happen to enjoy using male slaves as my personal toilet and the list of men interested totals in the thousands literally after a very short time.Even if a % of the men are phonies the numbers suggest that this is a very popular and widely desired fetish activity.In fact a girlfriend of mine into the lifestyle told me that the number 1 requested activity when she meets men into the scene is toiletslavery and other forms of pee and scat play.......just for the record

Calling bull-doody here. I managed a very busy pro dungeon for some years, and the percentage of those kinds of sessions was pretty low. CD/TV was probably the single most popular fetish. Occasional but reasonably regular golden shower requests, VERY few scat requests, even fewer of which were serious and resulted in a client coming in the door and doing a real session.

Most "toilet slaves" are stay-at-home wankers who cook up elaborate fantasies and then never show up for reals. They tend to do things like....gee, I dunno....make up fake personas on the Internet and post stuff on message boards to troll for responses.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 9:14:43 AM

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Maybe I'm a bit jaded here, but this type of thing reminds me of how people often respond to my illness. As if I am doing something wrong or haven't done something I should do. Most the time they don't even know what my illness is and they are telling me what might cure me! They come to me and start spouting off about this or that and if my response isn't what they think it should be or I reason it with them and tell them why that won't work, I am negative, lazy and all those things they thought before they told me. The dang experts are so impatient! lol

They haven't the knowledge to actually talk intelligently with me on the arguments they are making, have no proof of anything except their word and expect me to believe and act on it or I am bad. Well, I will be bad, lazy... anything they want to categorize me as. I've done my homework.

The similarity I see here is that someone came to teach us something, didn't bring any proof other than their word which was questionable from the start and then got upset because we just weren't getting it and didn't respond correctly. I do have to question the motive of that and why it matters so much? One answer could be that most of us are seen as disrespecting of certain kinks when actually we disrespect dangerous kinks and certain types of approaches.

If someone came around and made some social greeting, made sense and talked of themselves and then as a conversation continued, kinks were brought up and scat were one of them, the reaction would be different. However, most into scat are not presenting in a friendly manner and typically are short on words and it tends to come out like... How many mistress's are into a submissive eating their shit? I love it!

What kind of response does one expect when approaching like this? Most will think... oh god... here comes a guy that wants us to respond so that he knows who to contact. I don't want this guy in my email! Another strong reaction is, that the guy is clueless, lacks social skills and isn't seeing us as women and dominants... people too.. but shit factories or kink dispensers. Even if a kink isn't our thing, the approach, expectations or presentation have a lot to do with the reaction.

So... when laying blame on those that aren't responding to correction, education and the real actions some take, when one hasn't considered why we might respond as we do... tends to make me think it isn't a woman we are talking to, because what woman wouldn't know how many men approach disrespectfully, demand and expect and wish to do little to get what they demand and expect... after thousands of emails? What domina comes to educate the rest of us with factiods pulled out of their ass, somehow justifying the men that tend to approach as they do and validating that? I mean, 'she' admits reading the threads... didn't 'she' see how they approached?

They often say we domina's are too picky and harsh. They come and complain because they can't find someone... and yet... after thousands of emails... many that appeared sincere with phone numbers and wanting to meet... and finding a dominant into their kink... I would think these guys would be shitting all over themselves to get that dominant and 'she' would see some things 'she' clearly isn't seeing. Out of thousands of emails and guys surely only emailing from one account... there wasn't one that could meet and eat? And all this amounts to... someone feeling they should come and educate us? Comparing scat that can bring disease, deadly disease to kinks that do not do lasting harm or can cause death, isn't real effective and presenting as uninformed about men that send thousands of emails and thinking many were sincere, doesn't speak of much experience as a domina on a site like this or really educated on the kink they say they love. Yeah... okay...

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 11:27:51 AM

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Maybe it's just Me, but I'm honestly not seeing the problem here. If I were in the OP's shoes, My only complaint would be that there's just too much mail to go through. That's nothing new for *any* woman on CM, so we're all pretty used to that.

The OP's got her particular fetish and from her own account, plenty of people who would like to enjoy it with her, so what's the issue? Like any other female top or Domme, it means the odds are definitely in her favor. More than enough for her to be content with, so why the issue that other women have a YKINMK position on the subject? I don't understand this line of thinking. As a Dominant woman, when I run across other Dommes who don't want to engage in fire play, needles, or any other thing, it doesn't bother Me in the least. My fun isn't disrupted by that. If anything, it means I get more opportunities to play. How does this translate to a negative or adversarial position? I'm having fun, so who cares what other people are doing?

I think that's why other people just aren't buying this line. I don't think I've ever run across a Dominant woman who actually cared that other people weren't interested in doing what she does herself. She's just happy doing it and doesn't care what other Dommes think.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 11:45:53 AM

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Fair enough, LP. But I also don't see why there is an "Oh DISGUSTING" crusade every time someone starts a scat thread. Not all the OP's are as holeyer-than-thou as the OP of this thread.

If you started a thread on CBT, I wouldn't jump on it to say, "GROSS!" even though, if I had to choose between having a nail pounding through my testicles, or eating a piece of shit, I honestly don't know which I would pick.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 11:51:37 AM

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Ah Red, you don't put the nail through the testicles, you put it through the scrotum, wouldn't want to damage anything ;)

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 12:04:14 PM

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Fair enough, LP. But I also don't see why there is an "Oh DISGUSTING" crusade every time someone starts a scat thread. Not all the OP's are as holeyer-than-thou as the OP of this thread.

If you started a thread on CBT, I wouldn't jump on it to say, "GROSS!" even though, if I had to choose between having a nail pounding through my testicles, or eating a piece of shit, I honestly don't know which I would pick.

Let's be a little more realistic on the subject, shall we?

The majority of scat threads are started by males looking for females who are also into this particular kink. (I am maintaining My position that it just isn't as common for female Dominants compared to the number of male subs who are into this one.) As with any 'how many Dommes are into' threads, I think it's perfectly reasonable when people come forward and say that it is a hard limit. Even if the thread gets started as just a way to gauge an idea of how hard is it going to be to find a partner who is into kink X, the only way to actually get any good data is if both the 'for' and 'against' sides comment.

Scat is by far not the only kink that folks will comment that it repulses them. CBT is a good distance up the popularity chain and it gets the same kind of comments. So does cutting, needles, and every other thing out there. As the saying goes, if it's kinky, somebody else out there likes that activity, too. The reverse is also true. If it's a kink of yours, it's guaranteed that somebody else will have very negative feelings about it.

There are very legitimate health and safety concerns regarding this particular kink. When people voice their opinions on that, I'm all for it. Not everybody out there who fantasizes about it is aware of them. The closest equivalent I can come up with would be Me using rusty needles on someone and continuing to use them on multiple people.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 12:07:54 PM

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Ah Red, you don't put the nail through the testicles, you put it through the scrotum, wouldn't want to damage anything ;)

I did know this, but, yes, thank you, my language was poor. And it still squicks me. I would definitely win the Vanilla Cone of Shame at the Masochism Olympics.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 12:16:50 PM

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I am maintaining My position that it just isn't as common for female Dominants compared to the number of male subs who are into this one

I would be willing to say something stronger: almost no women at all are into it, either direction. I've only encountered one woman, ever, who wanted to eat my shit. And that was just through IM, so who knows if she was female, though she sure seemed that way when we were on any other topic of conversation. She is the one who brought up the kink, by the way. It's nowhere on my list of priorities.

So, like body-image humiliation, scat seems to be a kink that is almost exclusively male.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 12:43:20 PM

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I've encountered 3 women who were into defecating on men, seriously, out of the 3 of them 2 had issues with men in general and preferred their own gender due to abuse at a young age, the 3rd one I didn't know well enough to discuss the reasons...

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 3:02:58 PM

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So, like body-image humiliation, scat seems to be a kink that is almost exclusively male.

Body image humiliation almost exclusively male?

I think we know different women, Red.

(Well, obviously we do, because we live on different sides of a massive body of water, but you know what I mean.)

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 3:38:12 PM

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Both in my personal experience and also through the boards, women hard limit, "you're ugly," "you're fat," etc. Even though they embrace "you're a cunt," and so on. There doesn't seem to be a mainstream fem sub kink that parallels small penis humiliation, or even height humiliation, among men.

Yes there are some women into pig play and feeder fetish, but it seems very rare. By contrast, for men, insults based on physique seem to be a standard sub turn on.

Do you disagree?

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 3:56:44 PM

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Do you disagree?

'Fraid I do. I've had several female partners who've asked for body-related humiliation; it's something I've found quite difficult to give, but I've explored it some. And I don't get the feeling I'm alone in that.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 4:16:28 PM

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No kidding. I wonder if it is a les thing. No snark intended.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 4:49:24 PM

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No kidding. I wonder if it is a les thing. No snark intended.

None taken.

Maybe - there's definitely been an element of...I don't know, competition, in some of my d/s interactions; I think one woman in particular really got off on how much younger and 'more desirable' (her words and view, not mine) I was than her, and she liked to be reminded of that. I guess with a man you wouldn't have that direct comparison.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 5:11:33 PM

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When it comes to body image stuff, men zero in on the penis stuff. And yanno, I have a lot of sympathy for the small of peen. It's not like they can get a transplant!

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 7:04:04 PM

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And yanno, I have a lot of sympathy for the small of peen.

May I adopt this phrase, LadyHib? Subject matter aside, I find the way it rolls off the tongue is completely hilarious.

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RE: a never ending number of men seeking to be womans t... - 6/2/2011 7:11:29 PM

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Do you disagree?

'Fraid I do. I've had several female partners who've asked for body-related humiliation; it's something I've found quite difficult to give, but I've explored it some. And I don't get the feeling I'm alone in that.

That is interesting, VC. I have never met a woman, sub or not who was into body related humiliation. Calling them a filthy fucking whore cumpdumpster bitch was perfectly acceptable but never call them ugly or any variation of that.

It reminds me of hearing the comedienne Mo'nique talking about having sex with her guy and she kept saying call me a bitch Daddy, call me a bitch! So he did and then he said, you bitch, you fat bitch and she turned around and said what did you just call me????