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Lucylastic -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 12:49:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EternalHoH quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic federal agents with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), not local S.W.A.T. Silly semantics. The hole in the door speaks volumes. Silly semantics yourself.... Did you miss this part? He did say the search was not related to student loans in default.

lovmuffin -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 12:51:57 PM)
Sorry the thread got highjacked, it's a worthy topic but I blame it on joether [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 12:52:14 PM)
Fuck hunky,you got me all scared...I'm a little bit behind in my PLUS loans...and I thought I saw a SWAT team cruising my neighborhood......turns out they were going to the local meth dealers house....whew,that was close,I better get those checks in the mail !!!!!!

pahunkboy -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 12:55:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: EternalHoH quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic federal agents with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), not local S.W.A.T. Silly semantics. The hole in the door speaks volumes. Silly semantics yourself.... Did you miss this part? He did say the search was not related to student loans in default. Did you watch the 2 minute ABC video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8T9KgsmJTI

juliaoceania -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 12:58:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Fuck popeye,you got me all scared...I'm a little bit behind in my PLUS loans...and I thought I saw a SWAT team cruising my neighborhood......turns out they were going to the local meth dealers house....whew,that was close,I better get those checks in the mail !!!!!! I just looked at the contract of my last student loan, it says this: quote: Any failure to remain current on the balance will result in penalties, up to, and including having your children gunned down by a local S.W.A.T. team. You are forfeiting your right to due process, and no search warrant is necessary to determine your whereabouts. It is strictly up to you to inform all of your acquaintances of the terms of this agreement, and they maybe subject to the same penalties as the signatory of this loan

slvemike4u -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:00:32 PM)
Goddammit.....why,oh why don't I read the small print.....I am truly fucked now

pahunkboy -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:01:00 PM)
Where is a mod? This thread is a train wreck.

EternalHoH -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:01:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Silly semantics yourself.... Did you miss this part? He did say the search was not related to student loans in default. No I didnt miss that part. Does it really matter if a swat team or a fed team from DoE uses swat tactics needlessly? No, it doesnt. The hole in the door still screams "swat", regardless of whodunnit. So the DoE says its not over student loans. But what other reason would there be for the DoE to be breaking down anyone's door? As I said, even if it were more sinister than simply 'student loans', the tactics are totally overzealous. The spin from the Feds coming out now is typical of an agency in retreat after an overzealous use of force gets outed on the internet.

slvemike4u -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:08:46 PM)
Off the top of my head I could probably come up with hundreds of reasons the authorities use overwhelming force....first and foremost it keeps the target of LE safer than going in undermanned.That can tend to lead to the suspected criminal thinking resistance is the way to go.......when they come in like gangbusters most folks just hit the floor...and shit their pants....it is hard on the door....but everyone leaves the premises somewhat healthy,if slightly soiled.

tazzygirl -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:13:13 PM)
Curious that no one filmed more than the heading of the search warrant.

juliaoceania -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:13:46 PM)
quote: U.S. Department of Education spokesman Justin Hamilton confirmed for News10 Wednesday morning federal agents with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), not local S.W.A.T., served the search warrant. Hamilton would not say specifically why the raid took place except that it was part of an ongoing criminal investigation. Hamilton said the search was not related to student loans in default as reported in the local media. OIG is a semi-independent branch of the education department that executes warrants for criminal offenses such as student aid fraud, embezzlement of federal aid and bribery, according to Hamilton. The agency serves 30 to 35 search warrants a year. "They busted down my door for this," Wright said. "It wasn't even me." The Stockton Police Department said it was asked by federal agents to provide one officer and one patrol car just for a police presence when carrying out the search warrant. Now, I did not see the search warrant, none of us saw the search warrant. In a search warrant, they have to say what they are looking for, or who they are looking for. They have to limit the scope of their search to what they are looking for. In other words, if they are looking for a person, they shouldn't be looking in the drains or the freezer (unless they think the person met with foul play). In this case they had probable cause to believe this woman was at this residence. That is all they needed was probable cause to search the residence. They do not have to say what crime they are investigating in the search warrant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_warrant#United_States_of_America Now if this man believes his rights were violated he can go to court, he can get a new door perhaps. The real limit on faulty search warrants and searches is that any evidence obtained cannot be used in court.

EternalHoH -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:16:37 PM)
You are right, its all about psych theater. But since when does the rights of LE to go home safe at night by virtue of 'barnstorming in' trump the rights of the guy who eats the dirt, shits his pants and sits naked in the back seat of the car for 6 hours? I never got that memo.

lovmuffin -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:16:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Only fox declares itself fair and balanced.... thats why its funny I know how you guys get when the other side gets their say. When conservatism compares with liberalism, liberalism doesn't look so good. This is why you guys have tizzy fits over FOX And it's no longer funny....... I think you should really look up the defination of Liberalism, Conservatism, and Liberal. In fact, check out the thesaurus on 'liberalism'. Likewise, why not look up the word, liberal, to see what it is based on from Latin: līberālis (of freedom, befitting the free). FOX News has zero credibility. They 'report' on material they believe conservatives will eat up without a second thought. The 'news' quality is often one-sided. And yes, they have been known to edit footage that promotes a conservative agenda. The viewership of FOX News is almost entirely from the lowest common denominator of US adult educational levels. If you believe what I am saying is untrue, that might speak volumes of your educational level.... I'm not going to look up definitions and get into semantics or parse words. I think you know what I mean. Here's one back at ya NBC ABC CBS CNN CNN Headline News, PMSNBC CNBC News has zero credibility. They 'report' on material they believe liberals will eat up and that will sway the general public without a second thought. The 'news' quality is often one-sided. And yes, they have been known to edit footage that promotes a liberal agenda. The viewership of these TV News Networks is almost entirely from the lowest common denominator of US adult educational levels. If you believe what I am saying is untrue, that might speak volumes of your educational level....

pahunkboy -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:18:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Curious that no one filmed more than the heading of the search warrant. Yeah- I noticed that too. Maybe there is a reasonable explanation. I guess we wait and see.

pahunkboy -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:22:51 PM)
Post 71, Julia- yes- point taken- on search warrant. 72, ET, 6 hours... that seems long to me. 73, lov, in general the media has gotten sloppy in the past x years. Even to the point where facts do not matter.

tazzygirl -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:23:25 PM)
Its pretty much all we can do, pahunk. They have to tell the people within the house what they are looking for. We arent entitled to any answers until the case is complete.

popeye1250 -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:24:13 PM)
Boy, things just keep getting better and better under this Obama presidency, don't they?

SternSkipper -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:24:29 PM)
Woah Woah Woah....... US Department of Education has NO I repeat NO criminal or civil enforcement mandate. If you don't pay your loan they sue you and another agency (very likely private) comes after you for the money. I bet ANY AMOUNT of money that this either is the result of criminal behavior such as LOAN FRAUD. And to bring in the cavalry, there would have been a ring or larger scale investigation going on.

EternalHoH -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:25:46 PM)
If the DoE boys are really itching to use gestapo tactics and battering rams, why not visit the executive suite at the University of Phoenix and some of these other for-profit colleges? These people are the sub-prime loan broker of the college loan world, the real criminals on a multi-billion dollar scale. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/

tazzygirl -> RE: SWAT TEAM BREAKS DOWN MAN'S DOOR -- OVER STUDENT LOANS... (6/8/2011 1:26:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Boy, things just keep getting better and better under this Obama presidency, don't they? Ah so now Obama sent them out. Makes all the sense in the world! [8\|]

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