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All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 6:11:30 AM   
MaitresseEden


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ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

ok I am going to try to write this so that I don't violate the "rules" So i if a moderator is reading this please forgive me if I do. I just received one of the most insulting emails I have ever recieved, and I am responding to it here in the attempt to start a discussion about how it is insulting. More questions follow the end of letter. Here it is.

(Author's name and town removed, and my comments to his email are in blue )
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Greetings Maitresse Eden,

Good (or) Bad.....I Seek A Response From YOU.

I am Master ___________ in Texas.

My Interest in YOU is Genuine & You should feel Honored, Privileged & Genuinely Happy that I would even take this time to write to you. Rule #1 don't tell me how to feel, annoyed is more accurate than anything he listed.

I am an Extremely Dominant 40 Year Old BDSM Master w/Over 20+ Years of Experiences in The BDSM Lifestyle as a Master. Woo hoo.. the grand poobah speaks.

Believing what I believe, I don't believe in The Superiority of Women in this lifestyle. What a coincidence.. Neither do I. I believe in it infinity!

I know as you read this message that I have sent to you, you are going to ask yourself why is this guy sending me this message? ok, your right on that point.

Didn't he read my profile?
Doesn't he know that I am NOT a submissive female?
Doesn't he know that I am a Dominant Mistress?
I have in fact read Your Profile from The Beginning to The End. LIAR!, I guess comprehension was too much to ask for

I have written to you because I felt compelled to do so.
I believe that you should consider being interested in me as well. There he goes again, Telling me how I should feel.

As for me, I Own & Operate My Own Limousine Service in The ____Metroplex. Why does that not surprise me.. big cars compensating for small _____.

I am Mentally, Emotionally & Financially Stable. Says Who?!

I am Looking for a Genuine, Non-Game Playing, Seriously Open-Minded Submissive Female that seeks the Happiness she has found in being a slave to a Master such as myself. Keep Looking, there is a sucker born every minute.

I seek a submissive female that can & will eventually live as a slave in a 24/7 Lifestyle Relationship with me. Ok.. Seriously how could anyone refuse?

Please Read My Profile, Look @ My Picture & Please Respond back to me Post Haste. I looked, I got nauseous, and my response to him was to seek out counseling for his extreme case of narcissism

I am The Most Serious Minded Master that YOU will Ever Meet ANYWHERE In Person or on The Net. I Do NOT play games and I will NOT lie to YOU for ANY Reason what so ever. NOT hardly!

Being The Master that I am and that I have been for more than 20+ years in this lifestyle I do believe that inside the body of every so called Dominant Woman is a Submissive Slut & Wannabe Slave just SCREAMING to get out to be properly Trained in order to Learn how to Serve & Please a Superior Dominant Male Master.

Well in that case I believe that inside every insecure narcissistic male who hides behind the title of Master, and tosses out random emails to FemDommes to be an spoiled & lazy little boy who just wants someone to bully and boss around.

Looking @ Your Pictures, I Believe YOU are SCREAMING More Loudly than any other I have ever written before. oh I'm screaming alright... Some very colorful expletives.

That's why I sent you this message.
You not being submissive is a matter of opinion. yep.. MINE!

I see differently as I look at your pictures & as I Look into Your Eyes, I see a Lost & Confused Little Submissive SLUT Looking for her Guide THROUGH & her Place IN Life. All this garnered from photos of me feet.. and a sepia face shot in a wig. WOW...

I am an Intelligent Master that is 10,000% Serious in that which I am and in what I am looking for. Have to proven the intelligent point, 10,000% insane is well documented.

So just in case it has crossed your mind, My sending you this message was not an act of Stupidity & a Lack of Intelligence had nothing to do with it. Lack of sound mind and judgement sure did!

I Look Forward to Hearing Back from You Soon.

P.S. I can only Hope that without a Man like Me in YOUR Life that YOU can have a Nice Life.........."Mistress I have a better life now without!



Ok.. Now seriously folks.. Why in the heck would someone contact a person in this manner, and even if a submissive female received a letter like this, would she be interested? I'd love to hear from everyone. As I stated above I replied to this person to seek out counseling for his narcissism. But I'm curious about how you would respond. I probably shouldn't have even sent off the one liner that I did but this is so insulting I had to bring it in here.

Thanks,

Ms.Eden



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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 6:22:22 AM   
MaitresseEden


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opps

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 6:28:53 AM   
LadyBeckett


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I don't know that it was the same boy, but I did get an email from a male listed as a dominant from Texas, that worded his email similarly. I deleted it. This is the deal, Eden, I am very clear in my profile, to the point of being redundant, that if they don't follow certain guidelines, I don't respond. It's that simple. I think responding keeps them alive.

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 6:35:35 AM   
MaitresseEden


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quote:

I don't respond. It's that simple. I think responding keeps them alive.


Your right on that point LB. I was baited into a response, but I still can't help but find it to be in insulting and ludicrous. I realize that there are many who make themselves feel big by attempting to tear down others, but after reading this, I just wonder how it could illicit anything other than a negative response.

Ms. Eden


< Message edited by MaitresseEden -- 10/12/2004 6:37:20 AM >


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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 6:45:12 AM   
cynnacent1


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Just perhaps .... maybe he sent you this message because he is a dom wannabe with stong inclinations of wanting to express *his* deeply hidden submissive cravings & desires ? Perhaps he is crying out for help in that sense ? One thing is for certain, he has issues regardless of origin and while we may never know what his true problem (or those of others like him) is i am willing to bet it is difficult to pronounce.

Even as a submissive i'd not reply possitively to an email of that sort. While conversing with one not known to me, i prefere we start with a certain level of respect. Being refered to as a slut, as well as being told how submissive i am and being told how i should feel by anyone who is not on a personal level with me, would simply be evidence enough for me to conclude that the individual is lacking in control of something so basic as common sence. They'd not even receive a reply and their message would serve as nothing more than new recycle bin material.

i receive many emails from comparabley clueless types as well. Many just do not read profiles and send out mass form type emails. Many others just have no idea of what honor means in the BDSM sense and are cerain that they can convince me to leave my Master with an email (not that any form of an attempt could result in that). Yes, there are many out there who are clueless.

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 6:54:54 AM   
sweetpleaser


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I have received emails like that (not from Texas) addressed to me as a submissive. It turns me off immediately and I delete without a response. I assume they didn't mean to send ME the email, oops wrong number.

ann

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 7:38:00 AM   
LadyAngelika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden
Ok.. Now seriously folks.. Why in the heck would someone contact a person in this manner,


My dear Eden, I can’t even begin to imagine what goes through the mind of a pompous individual such as this one. I think your point about him having issues with narcissism might be a possibility but then again, I’m not an expert in human psychology and all I have to go by is this note. Is it only narcissism? You mentioned the overcompensation (in regards to his big car) and usually this screams out insecure. Regardless of his motivation, his note lacked respect. I think we can all agree on the fact that he’s a tactless individual.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden
and even if a submissive female recieved a letter like this, would she be interested?


Depends on the submissive woman I guess. Some will look at this letter and say “Woo Hoo Big strong and forceful Daddy! Take all my troubles away!” and some will say “Who the hell does this guy think he is?”

Hard to gage what some people find acceptable and what others don’t. I’m with you though. Yuck!

quote:


I'd love to hear from everyone. As I stated aboved I replied to this person to seek out counseling for his narcissism. But I'm curious about how you would respond.


Good question. One of two things I gather. I would have either not responded, not given him a reaction at all. It’s easier said then done because I understand the part of you that wants to react and say “fuck off!”. If I did respond, it would probably be a little more sarcastic, but this is because sometimes I like to play with their little peanut brains <weg>.

In any case, sorry you had to go through this aggravating moment.

- LA

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 8:09:21 AM   
DiamondDiva


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Can you say Ignorant! You are a lot better than I am. Then again I think I would have just ignored him.

One kills me the most about his letter is that he says that he read your profile thoroughly and if that is the case why did he not see that you are a Domme Mistress? Did he just selectively overlook that?

Anyway, I wonder if he will respond? If he does please let us know I need another good laugh.

Diamond Diva

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 8:14:10 AM   
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I appologize for responding as a submissive female, but I'm prompted....

I -hatehatehatehate- people like this. It drives me insane. People who have the mindset that "I am the perfect man/woman for EVERYONE and they can't be TRULY happy untill they're with me."

I am BEYOND clear in my profile that I -have- a partner whom I love and am happy with. Yet, I get e-mails like this with relative frequency. WHen I mention my partner, they simply say "well, he's not the MASTER for you. I am"

Bugs me.

This bugs me twice, because I hate men/women who assume that one gender is submissive BECAUSE of their gender. I demand few absolutes in this, but that is one. People are submissive, not genders.

I get so frustrated reading journals/emails by people who are unwilling to have their cute little worldview upset becuase they meet someone who totally defies all their stereotypes. Instead of -changing- that world view, they're more often prompted to comment that such and such person is not acting like a "proper" -whatever-

Beautiful and wonderful dominant women, not that it matters, but I, myself, appreciate that you are what you are because you want to be. Not because someone has told you how to act, or what roles to fufill. As a feminist, this means more to me than just about anything. While, again, I know it means nothing, you have the wholehearted support and applause of at least one young, rather naieve, submissive girly. :)

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 11:21:59 AM   
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quote:

I appologize for responding as a submissive female


No apology necessary. You are welcome to post here as often as you like. And anyways, Eden did ask for all opinions, did she not?

Thanks for your contribution. It was appreciated. :)

- LA

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 12:31:25 PM   
BeachMystress


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I think you should have laughed about it and deleted it. He is obviously not worth your anger or response. He is either one of those guys who think a Domme is just a woman who hasn't met a REAL man yet (Those same guys who think a lesbian just needs a real man) or someone who lacks the ability to respect others. In either case he's managed to get under your skin and get a rise from you. Don't give him that. Step back, take a few deep breaths and realize there are people in this world that you'd not let date your dog. (hmm, I like dogs, I'd be very picky about who dated mine.. ok, that you'd not let date your lawnmower) It is unfortunate when we run into these people. If there were some chance that getting angry at him would change him in the least, I'd say be furious.. but since the man's mind is the mental equivalent of an uncared for trailer park complete with beer swilling swine, why waste your energy? Chalk him up to one of those people who wastes the air they breathe and move on.

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 12:42:23 PM   
MaitresseEden


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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I appologize for responding as a submissive female, but I'm prompted....

, I know it means nothing, you have the wholehearted support and applause of at least one young, rather naieve, submissive girly. :)


Well I happen to like All girl's.. submissive or dominant.. especially if they are feminist! and your welcome to reply to any posts I ever make.. I agree with you I hate those who expose the "one true way" mantra.

Hugs

Eden

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 12:54:27 PM   
perverseangelic


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden


quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I appologize for responding as a submissive female, but I'm prompted....

, I know it means nothing, you have the wholehearted support and applause of at least one young, rather naieve, submissive girly. :)


Well I happen to like All girl's.. submissive or dominant.. especially if they are feminist! and your welcome to reply to any posts I ever make.. I agree with you I hate those who expose the "one true way" mantra.

Hugs

Eden


Why thank you.

I'm glad you post here, I enjoy reading them


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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 2:26:50 PM   
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first off, i must say thank You to MaitresseEden for steering me to this site.

there are just some Men who think They are the be all and end all to Dominance. this is NOT true. They don't realize that RESPECT as well as Trust are the foundations and obviously this LOSER did NOT read the rules of common courtesy before approaching in the manner that he did.

i've not played with a Dominant in 4 years. it's been my choice...and will continue to be until One has earned my trust and respect..

~moonlightweaver.

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 2:50:11 PM   
ChrisGreen


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Well, if you look at the language that is used, it is grammatical, as opposed to what you would actually say face-to-face.

Secondly, the writer seems to have no knowledge either of how people interact at a social level, or at a BDSM level.

Thirdly, it reads as though it has been extracted from an advertising blurb.

I think that I would look for someone who is shy, absolutely no self-confidence, probably a loner, middle class, been to a good school but can't hold down a job. Age range 16 to 24.



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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 5:09:34 PM   
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i have read with great interest and amusement Maitresse Eden's posting.

It is sad that some people have such little regard and respect for other people's preferences. In fact, it is not just sad, it is preposterous.

my response to this is not related to the fact that i personally know Maitresse Eden and hold Her in the highest esteem. i believe the reply as quoted by Maitresse Eden is a downright insult to Her and it really does not matter if Maitresse Eden has an ounce of submissive in Her body or not. Her profile did not say "submissive" or "switch" so why assume this is what Maitresse Eden is really seeking? When i go to a store to buy a pair of pants, i do not expect the sales person to try and sell me a dress, regardless of how kinky i might look in a dress.

However serious this is, i must admit that i thought it was so funny to read both the email to Maitresse Eden and Her own comments. It was the happy moment of the day The email for its downright stupidity and Maitresse Eden's comments for their humor and sarcasm.

Now, all this being said, and without really being particularly relevant to the issue here, i can testitfy to the fact that Maitresse Eden is not looking for a Master. At least that would surprise me greatly.

poul

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 7:13:35 PM   
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Dear MaitresseEden,

My opinion is the fellow is playing the odds. He has read a few bdsm sites, as well as "relationship" forums and thinks his manner is appropriate, or somehow what will interest you enough to solicit your interaction. Or, he is just messing around and doesn't really care if anyone replies. He has no doubts however that those who do reply will be the sort he can play with, lets just hope no one finds themselves at his mercy, or in a position which they are dependant upon him for any sort of equitable human compassion.

I am not one who shies away from trying to establish contact with women on the net. Neither am I one who shies away from doing that in real life. It is a wonderful thing to add to that proclivity, which is what the net does.

Funny thing is, only a few years ago one could always find somebody to talk to online. A simple inquiry, nothing so detailed and bold as what this fellow has sent you, was adequate to illicit several replies from submissive, or shall we say women who wanted more than vanilla romance, and the uninspired missionary style sex from their partners. Not that sex is all there is to a relationship, but in one where the two, or whatever get to enjoy sex, it is pretty damn important.

Another funny thing is most Mistresses have a policy where you have to approach them with a thorough, lengthy bit of prose in any initial, unsolicited attempt at correspondence. Not only Mistresses, but submissives too want more than a simple "Hi, how are you?" in such attempts. The problem is after writing and sending such very detailed, and heart felt attempts, one is always no better off in most cases than if they just say "Hi, how are you?".

I am not sure if I have attempted to establish a dialogue with any reading this, but if a brief little opening line don't get the same, I do not pursue it...with them. Of course this fellow was, is, or esteems to be disrespectful, and blind to your stated views and position, but not all men, or women who use the net to make such contacts are.

So my fear is with all the negative attitudes regarding the matter of internet communications we will lose a very wonderful thing. Which is, human beings can communicate on a personal level. A level which as a rule, is not facilitated in any other way.

It is enough we are persecuted, and driven to conformity by means of the opinions of others in the so called "real" world. We should not allow such to also restrict us in this the "virtual" world. It is good you did not simply delete this fellow's email. It is good that you decided to engage him because in so doing you are teaching him how to act.

Curiously, I have found the way folks act online is pretty much the way they act offline so your efforts will improve both worlds. Thank you M'Lady, for taking the time to dominate a situation, and therefore perhaps improve all of our lives. Most would have simply deleted the email, and the world would be without their efforts to make it a better place. You have shown your true colors, which are the colors of a dominant who cares.

"be still my beating heart"~a man

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Silvertongue
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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 7:44:23 PM   
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I'm with silver....


I suspect this is a cookie cutter type letter and he's sending them to everyone. My guess is he's already run the gammut of femsubs, and his charming personality has gotten him little success, so now he's on to the Dommes and praying the collection plate comes back with something on it.

Pitiful. He really makes us men look great doesn't he? And i wondered why a lot of the female profiles have scathing uppercased red lines that completely insult the intelligence of the average male.

Hmph.. guess that makes me above average. :P What do you know, i've been doing it all wrong. Perhaps i'll proposition some lesbian submissives for a relationship. They're Domme and straight, but just don't know it.

Pathetic

sns

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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 7:58:53 PM   
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Dear Maitresse Eden,

I think you gave him one too many thing and this is probably the minimum he was hoping for: a reply.

But thanks for sharing it with the rest of us. It's interesting to see how arrogant and full of them-selves some people can be. Sorry though that it happened to you.

Monsieur42


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RE: All opinions please! - 10/12/2004 8:00:12 PM   
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I received EXACTLY the same letter! Doubtless from the same poor ol fat slob last week! Doubtless the guy is just another wanker who gets off on the "disturbance" that he causes. I replied simply saying, "Thanks for the laugh" so as not to provide him with any more autoerotic stimulation than necessary!
Blow it off!
Regards,
Mistress Charlotte

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