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Aynne88 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus I was seeing big time hate and shaming for Hannah, and for sex workers. Glad it's not true. Nope. Not at all. I am pro sex worker. I also wasn't shaming Hannah, I just disagree vehemently with her skewered perception of men from being a sex worker. Of course you are going to deal with scumbags in that business. That has shaped her perception of men. I get that. I am saying that not all men are the abusive clientele of prostitutes. I am saying that in my life I know amazing men, even if Arpig want to dispute that, which is so weird to me. I hate that people still find it ok to perpetuate these gender stereotypes and I think it sucks. I know that when I work in the edgier, rougher bars in town I am going to deal with a bunch of junkies, they migrate to that scene. They always do and always will. It would be silly of me to work at those places and claim all drinkers are junkies. Or all social drinkers buy crack in the men's bathroom because I saw it for 23 years. I don't know, I am rambling, this is all over the place, but my point is, I know way more good men that bad, and I know a lot of women that would make Mussolini seem like a pussycat. And? Oh and most sources I find state about 16% of men have paid for sex. Hardly a majority. http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004119

angelikaJ -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:44:36 PM)
You seem very free in tossing around negative judgements... and I just don't see the point of it. You don't even have perfect hair like NS there.

Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:46:15 PM)
quote: You don't even have perfect hair like NS there. You haven't seen my stones have you....

Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:48:18 PM)
quote: Nope. Not at all. I am pro sex worker. I also wasn't shaming Hannah, I just disagree vehemently with her skewered perception of men from being a sex worker. Of course you are going to deal with scumbags in that business. That has shaped her perception of men. I get that. I am saying that not all men are the abusive clientele of prostitutes. I am saying that in my life I know amazing men, even if Arpig want to dispute that, which is so weird to me. I hate that people still find it ok to perpetuate these gender stereotypes and I think it sucks. I know that when I work in the edgier, rougher bars in town I am going to deal with a bunch of junkies, they migrate to that scene. They always do and always will. It would be silly of me to work at those places and claim all drinkers are junkies. Or all social drinkers buy crack in the men's bathroom because I saw it for 23 years. I don't know, I am rambling, this is all over the place, but my point is, I know way more good men that bad, and I know a lot of women that would make Mussolini seem like a pussycat. And? I love your mind, I swear.[8D]

Aynne88 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:52:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Nope. Not at all. I am pro sex worker. I also wasn't shaming Hannah, I just disagree vehemently with her skewered perception of men from being a sex worker. Of course you are going to deal with scumbags in that business. That has shaped her perception of men. I get that. I am saying that not all men are the abusive clientele of prostitutes. I am saying that in my life I know amazing men, even if Arpig want to dispute that, which is so weird to me. I hate that people still find it ok to perpetuate these gender stereotypes and I think it sucks. I know that when I work in the edgier, rougher bars in town I am going to deal with a bunch of junkies, they migrate to that scene. They always do and always will. It would be silly of me to work at those places and claim all drinkers are junkies. Or all social drinkers buy crack in the men's bathroom because I saw it for 23 years. I don't know, I am rambling, this is all over the place, but my point is, I know way more good men that bad, and I know a lot of women that would make Mussolini seem like a pussycat. And? I love your mind, I swear.[8D] Fuck. I'm disappointed. [;)] I love your everything, you man.

Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 5:58:55 PM)
quote: Fuck. I'm disappointed. I love your everything, you man. Cause you're fantasizing about how I look like Keanuu no doubt.[:D] Rub one out..go ahead.[8D]

angelikaJ -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:07:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: You don't even have perfect hair like NS there. You haven't seen my stones have you.... I should have said "near perfect hair" as my Master has perfect perfect hair... and stones!

Arpig -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:07:37 PM)
quote: So why the weird personal attack on me? Did you overlook the quote of yours that prompted my long factual dissertation? You claimed that you knew for a fact that none of your amazing male friends ever went to a whore. I just pointed out the statistical near impossibility of that being true. So, like I said, either you were lying, or a good number of them were lying to you. Which is it? You see, I've worked with some sex trade advocacy groups, so I happen to know for a fact that those photo buffs and the guys at the cooking class are the guys who hire prostitutes. They are the ones looking for a blowjob in a car. The guys in the strip club and the johns cruising for a little fuck and suck in the back seat ARE everyday guys, they aren't low lifes, they ARE your fathers, husbands, sons, and brothers. Out of every 100 men, 70 have probably hired a prostitute at one time or another. Everybody, count the men in your extended family and do the math. The fact of the matter is that most of the men you know have used a prostitute, and many of them do so regularly. Do what I've done, talk to a prostitute or an ex-prostitute, we have two right here on this thread, and they will tell you that most of their clients are assholes of the highest degree. Take it from there...most of the guys you know use hookers, and most of them mistreat those hookers. You may not want to believe it of the men in your life, but its true none the less.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:10:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: You don't even have perfect hair like NS there. You haven't seen my stones have you.... I should have said "near perfect hair" as my Master has perfect perfect hair... and stones! If you were single you'd be all over me.

kalikshama -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:10:53 PM)
quote: Oh and most sources I find state about 16% of men have paid for sex. Hardly a majority. http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004119 Definitely the majority of the guys I served in the military with had paid for sex at least once. I realize this is an atypical sample (as is noted below). Your link had some interestingly observations about cultural attitudes in other countries. Here's the US: "While earlier studies with methodological limitations have found 69% (Kinsey et al., 1948) to 80% (Benjamin and Masters, 1964) of American men to have engaged in commercial sex, more recent studies with representative sampling have found much lower - but still substantial - rates in the range of 15% to 20%... While men who solicit prostitution are not atypical demographically or in terms of criminal history, they are unsurprisingly and measurably different in terms of a range of attitudes toward women, relationships, and commercial sex... [C]onsumers were less likely to be happily married than men in national samples, to have sexually liberal attitudes (e.g., to view premarital sex, sex among minors, and homosexuality as acceptable), and to think about sex more often. Commercial sex participants were also less likely to have been sexually molested as children, or to report having forced women into sexual acts. The differences between samples were not large, but were statistically significant." Abt Associates Inc., "Final Report on the Evaluation of the First Offender Prostitution Program," Prepared for Karen Bachar, Office of Research and Evaluation, National Institute of Justice, March 7, 2008 "Contact [with prostitutes] is higher among those living in metropolitan areas, Blacks, those with lower incomes, veterans (probably when in military service), those who attend church less frequently, and those having gone through a divorce or are currently separated. Among married men paying for sex during the last 12 months is strongly related to low marital happiness." Tom W. Smith, "American Sexual Behavior: Trends, Socio-Demographic Differences, and Risk Behavior," General Social Survey (GSS) Project at the National Opinion Research Center, University of Chicago, Mar. 2006

Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:20:56 PM)
quote: The guys in the strip club and the johns cruising for a little fuck and suck in the back seat ARE everyday guys, they aren't low lifes, they ARE your fathers, husbands, sons, and brothers. Out of every 100 men, 70 have probably hired a prostitute at one time or another. Lol..Where did you get these numbers. 70% of all men have used a prostitute? I love thse studies which don't have a fucking chance in hell at getting actual figures..how could they? They are guessing by large leaps and bounds and people eat the stats up like they're addicts or something. I asked 3000 men and A: They told me the truth cause I'm a trustworthy scientist..B: Out of the 3000 I can now deduce that my numbers of 70% are right on for a whole freaking population of men and so on and so on..I'm being generous here cause It's most likely not even close to the number of people asked. If this were true, based on your figure, you'd see a steady stream of people and I MEAN STEADY STREAM headed over to bertha's underground brothel. Use your fucking brain. It's junk science.

Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:24:21 PM)
quote: rates in the range of 15% to 20%... That seems a tad bit more reasonable. I'd still have to know how they got those numbers.

LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:31:38 PM)
No matter what the statistics show or don't show, the reality is that nobody really ever knows anyone else. I love the biographies that people write about their parents or their children, like they really know everything about that person. No way in Hell do I know everything about my kids or about my parents or even about my sister. I don't know if my sister was a virgin when she got married or if she's ever had an affair. For all I know, she could have been supplementing her family income turning tricks in the 'burbs. The only person I know for sure about is myself, & I don't trust all of my memories about my own life. Because sometimes shit is just too fuckin hard to deal with or even look at so our brains take pity on us & whitewash stuff or wipe it out entirely. So even if I told you that I never did something, you shouldn't necessarily believe me because maybe I did & I've just blocked it. And if your friends tell you they've never done something, maybe they have & they don't want to tell you because maybe they're afraid that you might look at them differently. I'll say one thing: there is no difference in my mind between trading pussy for cash & trading it for cars & jewelry. I've done both. It's the same fuckin thing, believe me.

tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:36:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: rates in the range of 15% to 20%... That seems a tad bit more reasonable. I'd still have to know how they got those numbers. I personally dont see any difference of any real consequence between a guy that pays and a guy that cheats with someone he doesnt pay. They both are cheaters! They lie to their wives, family and friends! Worse than that, they are putting their wives health & life at risk when they cheat! Especially the guys that want a regular affair so they can go bareback (cuz they cant keep it hard in a condom) or a guy that pays a sex worker more $ to go bare.

PeonForHer -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:41:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: rates in the range of 15% to 20%... That seems a tad bit more reasonable. I'd still have to know how they got those numbers. According to Aynne's link, the figure for the UK is between 7 and 8.8% of men having used a prostitute at least once. Jeez - there's quite a jump between that and the 70% of the Kinsey report. Aynne's figure chimes a lot better with my experience, I have to say. But Arpig - are you citing the Kinsey figure of 1948, as mentioned here?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:43:33 PM)
The redundant phrase "tad bit" is maddening.

PeonForHer -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:45:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 I personally dont see any difference of any real consequence between a guy that pays and a guy that cheats with someone he doesnt pay. They both are cheaters! We need a figure on the number of single men who see prostitutes. I'm having trouble finding one.

LaTigresse -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:46:27 PM)
Based upon the behaviour of many of the women I see in the bars on the odd occasion I go........maybe there is less of a need for prostitutes now. They tend to dress like prostitutes. It seems like the guys can usually get it for free. I know that the bar in the town to the west of me has a bartender, married to the town drunk, that is well known for accomodating anyone that is interested. She is not a rarity.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:47:53 PM)
My male pals that "speak freely" uphold LaT's theory. Couple beers, and it's a done deal.

PeonForHer -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 6:49:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus The redundant phrase "tad bit" is maddening. I'm thinking of starting another thread on annoying expressions. It's been a while and I've collected quite a few exciting new ones.

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