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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:09:52 PM   
popularDemand


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As for it ruining threads: threads are transitory. There'll always be a funnier one coming round the corner. I don't get why it matters.


When I'm enjoying a thread and click on the next page and instead get Board Maintenance, I haz a sad. I was glad that Hannah's thread came back. There was another one this week that took a funny turn and disappeared, although I didn't spot any TOS violations.

I want to read a thread until we've wrung every once of enjoyment from it.


No, kill it in it's Prime:

The Hendrix Thread Syndrome.

pD

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:13:51 PM   
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that still doesn't make things always fair
Put up or shut up. If you think you can do better volunteer.


is there not a wage?

stuff that!

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:16:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alot of valid points were raised in this thread. For example,when a train wreck is barrelling along at 90 miles an hour, a mod may post a warning, and has 60 posts to work backward through AND SEND LETTERS AS TO WHY EACH POST WAS PULLED TO EACH OFFENDING USER. Meanwhile, others are ignoring the warning, or just some are, and the mod is trying to play catch up on the thread, and all of a sudden notices they are pulling a majority of the thread as it is progressing, instead of being able to leave the new posts and the replies are still coming. If we yank the thread, does it really make sense that we should start a thread to announce it? Or to decide that if someone would have caught the thread/post when made, assume that the users would know why that post was pulled, or that it truly mattered to them if it was not a post they personally made? Or that we should remark why a post was pulled, and in actuality might as well have left the post up by the time we brought it up to justify our actions on the board? We ARE human, (no matter what some may think ) and there is a set of guidelines for the moderators to follow. Obviously, human interpretation at times may differ. I can assure you though, that I hand picked the moderators to ensure there would be no favoritism of members, and that is in effect why there are so few of them to moderate in the first place. (ICarys, thank you for your self sacrificing offer, but I think that the first time I saw Mod-spanked bitches and wrongly assumed it was directed at me, might not be positive ). If someone has a question about a particular moderation action, they can write about it to the moderator involved or myself, and will (in my case sooner or later, as soon as humanly possible, which may be a while) get an answer.No guarantees it will be a response whose outcome is liked, but hopefully will shed understanding, IF THAT USER is personally involved.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popularDemand

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that still doesn't make things always fair
Put up or shut up. If you think you can do better volunteer.


is there not a wage?

stuff that!

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We are paid a generous salary based on your membership fees.........

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:19:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once we get to a certain stage, we don't even get love letters from the Mods anymore when our stuff is pulled. They know we know. Or that's how I interpret my empty inbox. The only love letters I get from mods are actual love letters from the mods. I like that better. YAY!

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:23:22 PM   
popularDemand


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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha


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ORIGINAL: popularDemand

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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that still doesn't make things always fair
Put up or shut up. If you think you can do better volunteer.


is there not a wage?

stuff that!

pD



We are paid a generous salary based on your membership fees.........

That much?

Blimey!

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 5:26:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Once we get to a certain stage, we don't even get love letters from the Mods anymore when our stuff is pulled. They know we know. Or that's how I interpret my empty inbox. The only love letters I get from mods are actual love letters from the mods. I like that better. YAY!
They have been quite nice the couple of times I had posts pulled and thought I had screwed up posting them, so I retype it all and repost it. It aint easy living in this head I tell ya!

< Message edited by JstAnotherSub -- 6/17/2011 5:30:23 PM >

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 6:11:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popularDemand

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The mods are human with all human frailties, virtues and prejudices.

Nuff said.


no it's not.

Balance and good judgement should be displayed and practiced.


Agreed.

I also don't wear the "you're getting this for free, so shut up and be grateful" excuse. I see it trotted out, time and again, and it's no defence - quite the reverse, since it implies a defensive, "we know we're doing badly, but hey, we're free!" mind-set. Whenever I've done a job, any job, my effort and commitment doesn't alter in proportion to the salary offered. I've worked for megabucks, and I've worked for peanuts, and I've worked for free. It matters not a jot to me. Either I take a job on, or I don’t.

Obviously, my opinion doesn't tally with many of the back-slappers you'll see posting to this thread, but just because very few have the gumption to disagree with the bias, favouritism and inconsistency regularly demonstrated by mods on CM doesn't mean that no-one else feels that way. It's simply that the overwhelming majority of folk just keep their heads down. I appreciate it’s not an easy job, but that doesn't mean that bias, favouritism and inconsistency are inevitable results.

That said, things are better than they used to be under the “old” system of a few years ago – that bore more resemblance to a crèche organiser than a lively debate forum.

PS: The writing to people to explain mod actions is a waste of mod time and effort; the reasonable folk don’t need the explanation, and the unreasonable won’t heed the warning in any case. Pull or don’t, and if people are that fussed to know why then they can write in to the mod concerned. Or auto-mail them with a URL that points to the TOS and let them do their own sodding research.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 6:57:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the end I understand that this is not my personal venue, but that being said, I have opinions about the moderation topic, but I try to keep 'em to myself.

I will say that there is a synergistic relationship between the site management and the aggregate of users. Individually we all contribute content, and either my content is appreciated or it isn't. If my content wasn't appreciated, I would log off and find another site that it would be appreciated. It is simply as easy as that.

I do not feel it is my business to understand the relationships between site management and individual users, it is only my business to understand the relationship I have with them... and I do not mean in a personal way, either, but as a contributor of content to the site.

I do not know if that makes sense or not, but there it is.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 8:13:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		RF, I beg to differ with your post. I've been modslapped and gotten more gold emails than Carter has little liver pills.

Theyre human. sometimes, I think they're full of shit but I don't have the job.

If you don't like it, take the job.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 8:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I actually think that the mods have swung too far to the kinder, gentler side of things. And should be bitch slapping people more often and faster instead of giving them innumerable chances which are undeserved.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 10:08:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've only gotten one or two e-mails from the mods...not on here, but my regular e-mail...anyway....the one thing I was ok with, everything just got out of hand, and I'm sure I wasn't the only person receiving the e-mail.  Another was for a comment I'd made before, and it was meant in a generic way, and the person it was aimed at fit the comment.  It got pulled from the thread.  Oh well, live and learn.

I have very recently done something that I haven't done before...actually reported a post.  It takes a lot to piss me off enough to react to anything, but the one comment was totally out of hand, and had already been reported, and the other was because of a dupe thread...apparently, the starter of said thread was not aware of the "edit" function.  And there have been others that I've just blown on by and hidden the posters.  Funny, for years, I only had one person on hide...now I'm like up to 8, and that's only been in the last 3 months or so.....WTF is it with folks these days? 

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 10:12:28 PM   
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Funny, for years, I only had one person on hide...now I'm like up to 8, and that's only been in the last 3 months or so.....WTF is it with folks these days? 


I decided to put a few people on ignore who do nothing but attempt to bait me... I am much happier here as a result. One will probably never be modded for his behavior, so I modded him myself... and the other gets personal, so he will not be read by me anymore either.

I do not need the mods to do anything about these people, I did it myself

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 10:20:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got one on hide. Thanks for the heads up on that one, julia.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 10:24:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

In thinking about it. Granted I don't know who the mods are and don't care, but it's apparent many do. Sometimes I wonder, when a thread gets shut down, I've always thought it was kind of a wussie way out of them having to mod slap their friends. Instead of being all professional like, they just do a blanket smack down.


Spot on, IMHO.


i can agree with that.


Me too

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 10:28:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's funny. I recently unblocked someone (because I'm an optimist), and even though I have done my level best to keep the conversation civil, it seems I was still adding to mod workload.



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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 10:28:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I got one on hide. Thanks for the heads up on that one, julia.



Well, sometimes you gotta do whatcha gotta do...

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/17/2011 11:22:21 PM   
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That said, things are better than they used to be under the “old” system of a few years ago – that bore more resemblance to a crèche organiser than a lively debate forum.


I am not saying this to disparage the moderation that is currently going on here... because I think they are doing the best they can, and they have their own guidelines in accordance with the site owners... but, I will say something in defense of a certain mod that went louder than 10.

She modded this site extremely well, considering the mandate she had. She was the public face of moderation on this site, and it felt like she was the only one we had.

I have to say, from everything I saw, she was firm, if nothing else, and maybe it is the submissive in me that appreciated it, but I appreciated the firmness with which she operated. I knew where the line was with her, and I knew how not to cross it, and I had no illusions that if I crossed that line I would be [awaiting approval]. She seemed to be even handed in her approach... my perception for what it means to anyone.

I can imagine those who like to flirt with danger, and do not like authority, would perhaps dislike her modding style, but even though I had no clue who she was, and she rarely let her personality out, I miss that crusty old gal.

Just because I liked that mod and the way she did business doesn't mean I dislike the present situation. But I have noticed that there seems to be a lof of disparagement around here of past moderation, which I think is a bit unfair...

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/18/2011 3:33:56 AM   
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RF, I beg to differ with your post. I've been modslapped and gotten more gold emails than Carter has little liver pills.

Theyre human. sometimes, I think they're full of shit but I don't have the job.

If you don't like it, take the job.


That's another of the somewhat daft platittudes, as per "it's free so it doesn't have to be good" ... I don't like it, and I don't have to do the job either.

Although, if I did have the time (and that may occur again, someday), I'd have been more than happy to help out, assuming I was asked. I doubt I'd ever be asked though.

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RE: moderation interpretation? - 6/18/2011 3:38:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am not saying this to disparage the moderation that is currently going on here... because I think they are doing the best they can, and they have their own guidelines in accordance with the site owners... but, I will say something in defense of a certain mod that went louder than 10.

She modded this site extremely well, considering the mandate she had. She was the public face of moderation on this site, and it felt like she was the only one we had.

I have to say, from everything I saw, she was firm, if nothing else, and maybe it is the submissive in me that appreciated it, but I appreciated the firmness with which she operated. I knew where the line was with her, and I knew how not to cross it, and I had no illusions that if I crossed that line I would be [awaiting approval]. She seemed to be even handed in her approach... my perception for what it means to anyone.

I can imagine those who like to flirt with danger, and do not like authority, would perhaps dislike her modding style, but even though I had no clue who she was, and she rarely let her personality out, I miss that crusty old gal.

Just because I liked that mod and the way she did business doesn't mean I dislike the present situation. But I have noticed that there seems to be a lof of disparagement around here of past moderation, which I think is a bit unfair...


It would be impossible for me to disagree more with your post.

Isn't debate grand :)

I thought the "good old days" were anything but, allowing trolls to run riot (although it's still a fairly troll-rich environment even now) and censuring those who spoke up. The new regime is far better for sure, so I guess you've made me accept that point in a clever way, after someone made the same point to me in memo earlier, and I rejected it.

PS: person who made that point in memo to me earlier: you were right and I was wrong.

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