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Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 2:04:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you enjoy longer BDSM scenes with your male sub but do not want to be bothered by bathroom breaks due urination needs?

A very safe and easy option for uninterrupted BDSM play is a medical device call a Condom Catheter (also known as a Texas catheter sometimes). I know what many of you are thinking at this moment, “Wow, I am not a nurse. I cannot safely do that”. Calm down, no nursing degree required for this and yes you can do it and be safe and sanitary.

A condom catheter is an external catheter for men (nothing goes inside the body). It is very safe and sanitary to use and requires no medical training. Condom catheters are available is most home medical supply stores that sell incontinent items. Condom catheters are cheap to buy (USA perspective, not sure about other countries).

Condom catheters have been around a long time and were designed for men who have bladder control problems, whether you are 18 years old or 95 years old. Condom catheters were designed so that the male could still have an active lifestyle whether he suffered from short term bladder control (recovering from surgery or accident) or long term (weak bladder related to old age or other reason). Condom catheters are a nice reapplication of existing medical incontinent item that can safely and easily incorporated into BDSM play for those who enjoy longer session or bathroom control.

A condom catheter is almost the same as a regular condom. It rolls (disposable kind) onto the penis and looks almost like a condom with the exception of there is a small tube on the end of it. Additionally many condom catheters have a light adhesive on the inside of the condom catheter to keep it in place once it is put on whether the person is erect or goes flaccid. The tube on the end of the condom catheter connects to a short piece of tubing which in turn is connects to a leg bag for urine collection. The leg bag is a sealed bag that will collect the urine when the man urinates. Many leg bags have a small valve on the bottom of the bag so it can be removed and drained when needed and reattached if desired. You can see a diagram here. http://www.drugs.com/cg/how-to-care-for-your-condom-catheter.html

From a BDSM play stand point the condom catheter can be worn the entire time you are playing or just put on when needed or anywhere in between. Multiple condom catheters can also be used in a session also. Even if you do not intend to do a longer session, a condom catheter could be used as a wonderful mind fuck toy making him think you might keep him bound all night.

Length of time a condom catheter can be worn is debatable by doctors. In the medical community you will find some recommend changing a condom catheter twice a day (every 12 hours) to changing it once every couple of days. This debate is driven by those who need to wear a condom catheter constantly due to medical injury. From a BDSM context, assuming this play is occasional and not 24/7, it should not be an issue to wear a condom catheter all day or even 2 days (if you so desire). Personally, I have worn one for 36 hours with no problem.

Most condom catheters are of the disposable variety, but there as some kinds that can be reused. I prefer not to use the reusable ones as they will need to be cleaned. In the context of BDSM play it is nice to have something disposable that you do not have to clean. Condom catheters also come in different sizes. The average adult male will generally take a large. But if in doubt ask the assistant at the store. If you are too embarrassed to ask you can also just buy 2 or 3 different sizes and just try them out to see which best fits. A typical disposable condom catheter in the USA is $2/condom catheter.

Condom Catheters are available in Latex, Silicone and PVC type materials. Latex and silicone are the most common. Silicone is a nice option if you or your partner has a latex allergy. I am not a fan of the PVC type from a personal point of view. The stretch less and are not a sensitive to be touched through. But all the same the work and the PVC ones are slightly cheaper.

I write this in the spirit of sharing information. I know many of you experienced players have this knowledge already. For those who do not this is a nice intro to think about if you like the idea of longer bondage scenes without the need for bathroom breaks for the male sub. Not sure if this is much of a discussion topic but feel to ask any questions either here in the forum or my CMAIL. I learned about condom catheters when I was 24 and recovering from major back surgery while learning to walk again. As I got into BDSM, condom catheter became a nice option for overnight play. Enjoy!

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 4:22:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		nice .... thanks for sharing, only i have to ask,

when the male (member) is hard , its very hard to urinate, & when its soft I think the Condom Catheter will fall of the soft member?

or i am just thinking outside of the box here,

thanks for sharing again


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 4:41:05 PM   
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Thank you for the question.

Most of the disposible condom catheters have a light adhesive applied to the inside of the catheter. This will make it stick to the penis and stay on even when the penis is soft. Some other models will come with a small rectangular double sided adhesive strip which you would apply to the penis and then roll the condom catheter onto along with the penis. I prefer the ones that have the adhesive applied to the inside of the condom catheter. Its easier to put on.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 4:43:54 PM   
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Here is a demo Youtube. Its on a dummy and its corny. But if you have not seen one put on it shows you how easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsmqmhWpvrY


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 7:29:46 PM   
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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 9:19:28 PM   
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I got some that have an internal adhesive. They are obviously not reusable. But they shrink and grow well and will stay put, in fact getting them off is not the easiest thing in the world. IIRC they could be left on for a few days before changing was required.

They beat the sheepshit out of the ones held by the two sided tape.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 9:48:36 PM   
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Length of time a condom catheter can be worn is debatable by doctors. In the medical community you will find some recommend changing a condom catheter twice a day (every 12 hours) to changing it once every couple of days. This debate is driven by those who need to wear a condom catheter constantly due to medical injury. From a BDSM context, assuming this play is occasional and not 24/7, it should not be an issue to wear a condom catheter all day or even 2 days (if you so desire). Personally, I have worn one for 36 hours with no problem.


From a medical standpoint, its changed to prevent skin damage from the wet condom sheath being in costant contact with the skin.

Just because you could go days without changing one doesnt make it healthy for others to do so. Please, be careful with information you share. Depending on the medical condition of the one wearing it, even 12 hours could be too long.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 10:06:00 PM   
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The information I have provided is medically accurate. Most doctors recommend Once per day. The manufacturers will tell you it can be work upto 2 days. Unless there is an underlying medical condition, most do not recommend changing less that 12 hours.

Sensitive skin, allergy to a material, etc possibility always exists. But this is not the norm. The average healthy male can easily wear one for 12 hours with no problems.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/20/2011 10:44:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Define the average health male. Its misleading. Someone with circulatory problems may appear healthy, but his condition does not allow prolonged use. A diabetic can be healthy, yet needs to be aware that this type of play toy can lead to problems.

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Most doctors recommend Once per day.


That is the norm for many men, but not all.


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The manufacturers will tell you it can be work upto 2 days.


Thats the longest the product should be used. The manufactorers are speaking about the product, not the skin.

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Sensitive skin, allergy to a material, etc possibility always exists. But this is not the norm. The average healthy male can easily wear one for 12 hours with no problems.


Allergies, especially to latex, are in the rise. And its becoming like most allergies, the more you are exposed, the worse the allergy gets. Reusing a product over and over can produce more intense reactions.

I do suggest caution for any male wanting to play with this item.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 12:13:20 AM   
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The manufacturers will tell you it can be work upto 2 days.


Geez. I can just imagine the bacteria factory growing inside of something like that after just one day, nevermind two.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 5:06:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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ORIGINAL: mummyman321

The manufacturers will tell you it can be work upto 2 days.


Geez. I can just imagine the bacteria factory growing inside of something like that after just one day, nevermind two.

DeviantlyD,
Thank you for the comment. Only the bacteria the is current present and growing onyour skin will be there. Urine is sterile until it leaves the human body (unless you have some disease already). Using the disposible kind of condom catheter is very sanitary.. Wearing the proper size, only the head of the penis will get wet so to speak. The shaft as well as the rest of the inside of the condom Catheter will remain dry and clean.

Please remember the condom catheter has been around for over 30 years (maybe closer to 40). They do not require a presciption. Men use them everyday who have incontinent problems.

The 2 largest problems men run into using a condom catheter is allergy to latex (silicone ones are still an option). And an allergy to the adhesive applied to the inside of the condom catheter.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 5:14:40 AM   
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The manufacturers will tell you it can be work upto 2 days.


Geez. I can just imagine the bacteria factory growing inside of something like that after just one day, nevermind two.

DeviantlyD,
Thank you for the comment. Only the bacteria the is current present and growing onyour skin will be there. Urine is sterile until it leaves the human body (unless you have some disease already). Using the disposible kind of condom catheter is very sanitary.. Wearing the proper size, only the head of the penis will get wet so to speak. The shaft as well as the rest of the inside of the condom Catheter will remain dry and clean.

Please remember the condom catheter has been around for over 30 years (maybe closer to 40). They do not require a presciption. Men use them everyday who have incontinent problems.

The 2 largest problems men run into using a condom catheter is allergy to latex (silicone ones are still an option). And an allergy to the adhesive applied to the inside of the condom catheter.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 9:18:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a chance of infection but the risk is less than with catheters that are placed in the bladder. Skin irritation can occur from the friction caused by an external catheter. In older men, the penis may have retracted (decreased in size) and it may be difficult to keep this type of catheter from falling off. Careful attention must be given to avoid skin rash, maceration of the penis, ischemia, and penile obstruction

http://www.seekwellness.com/incontinence/manage-incontinence-with-catheters.htm

Complications
• penile erythema, maceration, dermatitis, pruritis
• edema
• skin tears
• candidal balanitis (inflammation of the glans penis)
• allergic reaction
• ischemic tissue injury
• bacteriuria, urinary tract infection

http://www.wocn.org/pdfs/WOCN_Library/Fact_Sheets/C_EXTCAT.pdf

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 9:27:10 AM   
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Most of the disposible condom catheters have a light adhesive applied to the inside of the catheter. This will make it stick to the penis and stay on even when the penis is soft.


Having worked as a live-in carer many years ago and used those on a daily basis I once had the pleasure to test one on a guy i am in touch with since many years (the person I got it from told me to chuck some of his ones out, as he considered to have more than enough spare ones, following which I kept one)....now, because of that experience I would not dare to apply it easily on a Dom who is capable to shred me to pieces afterwards, cause my friend who was keen to test it (and who was not disabled) experienced it to be very painful indeed...and I applied it on him the same way how I was taught to apply it, which never caused issues with the guys who NEEDED it.

Therefore I would be very careful to apply such intimate disability aid stuff on healthy people...but thats just me...who still has the swearing and anger from my friend in her ear




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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 10:06:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mummyman321

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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The manufacturers will tell you it can be work upto 2 days.


Geez. I can just imagine the bacteria factory growing inside of something like that after just one day, nevermind two.

DeviantlyD,
Thank you for the comment. Only the bacteria the is current present and growing onyour skin will be there. Urine is sterile until it leaves the human body (unless you have some disease already). Using the disposible kind of condom catheter is very sanitary.. Wearing the proper size, only the head of the penis will get wet so to speak. The shaft as well as the rest of the inside of the condom Catheter will remain dry and clean.

Please remember the condom catheter has been around for over 30 years (maybe closer to 40). They do not require a presciption. Men use them everyday who have incontinent problems.

The 2 largest problems men run into using a condom catheter is allergy to latex (silicone ones are still an option). And an allergy to the adhesive applied to the inside of the condom catheter.


Judging from the way you responded to my post, it seems to me that you presume I have no knowledge of human biology.

There's plenty of bacteria on the head of a penis. And what you describe would, I imagine (since I've never seen one), be under ideal circumstances - I'm sure there could be situations where other parts would get "wet", especially if you're leaving it on for a day or more. What happens when the wearer goes to sleep and is lying down?

There are other medical items that have been around for decades too and that doesn't mean they are fail-safe against potential problems.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 1:10:43 PM   
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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 3:03:35 PM   
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Judging from the way you responded to my post, it seems to me that you presume I have no knowledge of human biology.

There's plenty of bacteria on the head of a penis. And what you describe would, I imagine (since I've never seen one), be under ideal circumstances - I'm sure there could be situations where other parts would get "wet", especially if you're leaving it on for a day or more. What happens when the wearer goes to sleep and is lying down?

There are other medical items that have been around for decades too and that doesn't mean they are fail-safe against potential problems.


Sorry for the double post but it was sent for my Blackberry. No malice was intended. But it is rather clear you have not used one nor know the medical background.

There is plenty of bacteria on your entire body. Just because you get the tip of your penis wet does not make it a growing playground for bacteria. Niether does wearing a condom catheter. If you swim in a pool, polluted river or lake, nothing grows on your penis. Wearing a condom catheter will not change that. Now if you have an existing skin or bladder infection that is a different story. But I would hope one would have enough sense not to play at that point.

With the condom catheter that has the adhesive on the inside, the shaft of the penis will remain dry regardless of your body position. The condom catheter will not leak and will stay in place whether the person is erect or flacid.

I do have personal experience with the medically intended use. I spent 6 months in a hospital bed through a series of back surgeries. I spent a year learning to walk again and 3 years total in physical therapy. During that time I wore the disposible condom catheter with the adhesive for over a year. Never leaked, and never had a problem.



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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 3:28:28 PM   
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There is a chance of infection but the risk is less than with catheters that are placed in the bladder. Skin irritation can occur from the friction caused by an external catheter. In older men, the penis may have retracted (decreased in size) and it may be difficult to keep this type of catheter from falling off. Careful attention must be given to avoid skin rash, maceration of the penis, ischemia, and penile obstruction

http://www.seekwellness.com/incontinence/manage-incontinence-with-catheters.htm

Complications
• penile erythema, maceration, dermatitis, pruritis
• edema
• skin tears
• candidal balanitis (inflammation of the glans penis)
• allergic reaction
• ischemic tissue injury
• bacteriuria, urinary tract infection

http://www.wocn.org/pdfs/WOCN_Library/Fact_Sheets/C_EXTCAT.pdf


Tazzy,
I agree that information you provided is 100% correct. But it misleading in the context I am talking about. The occurance of these items are low. And many of those occurances are due to repeated use. Not single use of the product. Many of the items describe occur after weeks of use, not a day. And your article covers all the types of condom catheters and does not focus on the disposible self adhering kind I was suggesting.

You article also does not sufficiently describle why those reactions occur. Infections are primarly due to hygiene problems like not cleaning the penis properly when changing the catheter.

Skin tears typically happen in the elderly whois skin has lost their elasticity. Or a person whois skin has been irrated for some reason.

You might be amazed to find you are more likely to have a severe reaction to a bandaide versus a condom catheter.

I try to provide medically accurate information to the people on the boards. There are always cautions and warning with anything you use. The important thing is to be knowledgeable about what you do. Condom catheters can be used safely and are used everyday by hundreds of thousands of people. They do not require a prescription.

But for those who want more information. Stop in any home medical supply store. Ask. They will be more that happy to answer your questions and show you what one looks like.




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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 3:35:31 PM   
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Having worked as a live-in carer many years ago and used those on a daily basis I once had the pleasure to test one on a guy i am in touch with since many years (the person I got it from told me to chuck some of his ones out, as he considered to have more than enough spare ones, following which I kept one)....now, because of that experience I would not dare to apply it easily on a Dom who is capable to shred me to pieces afterwards, cause my friend who was keen to test it (and who was not disabled) experienced it to be very painful indeed...and I applied it on him the same way how I was taught to apply it, which never caused issues with the guys who NEEDED it.

Therefore I would be very careful to apply such intimate disability aid stuff on healthy people...but thats just me...who still has the swearing and anger from my friend in her ear


Phoenix,
Not sure what happened with your experience.

The only discomfort I have run into and heard from others is pubic hair getting caught in the condom catheter. Pubic hair being yanked out when removing the condom catheter I will agree is not pleasent. Though it might be fun for the more sadistic Domme :)

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 4:45:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		This topic piqued my interest since I had never encountered an external catheter before--only Foley's and supra-pubic/surgical caths.  Because many of the home health patients our nurses see are elderly, they often have more medical issues than the typical healthy male.
Even so, the only issues that were reported as common from them (not many use the external condom caths because the difficult challenges placing on an elderly man with severe dementia) were the skin irritation from repeated use/removal and patient discomfort from hair getting caught in the device.

That said, any medical device should be used with the utmost of caution, and only in accordance with proper instruction and guidance--and not strictly based on internet videos/instruction.  The definite advantage to the external catheters are certainly that they are far easier to apply/use compared to internal catheters--and I'm personally of the belief that only those trained by a physician or those who are medical professionals themselves should insert an internal catheter. 

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