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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/21/2011 5:08:37 PM   
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Hospitals and nursing home typically do not use condom caths due to the reasons you said. Condom caths were more meant for a healthly individual who had and incontinence problem whether is was temporary due to an injury or a more permanent bladder control problem but otherwise a healthy active individual. Its an easy to use self applied solution to incontinence problem for a healthy male. In the USA condom catheters are pretty much available as OTC item any any home medical supply store.

If using it for BDSM play, you are still using it for its intended purpose. The only difference is that your sub is incontinent because he is tied up and cannot get to the bathroom. It is also an very nice option for the male who does have a weak bladder, but enjoy longer bondage sessions.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 12:33:21 AM   
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Judging from the way you responded to my post, it seems to me that you presume I have no knowledge of human biology.

There's plenty of bacteria on the head of a penis. And what you describe would, I imagine (since I've never seen one), be under ideal circumstances - I'm sure there could be situations where other parts would get "wet", especially if you're leaving it on for a day or more. What happens when the wearer goes to sleep and is lying down?

There are other medical items that have been around for decades too and that doesn't mean they are fail-safe against potential problems.


Sorry for the double post but it was sent for my Blackberry. No malice was intended. But it is rather clear you have not used one nor know the medical background.


No malice, but clearly condescension. As for your last sentence, perhaps you missed reading the bit in my post, which I've highlighted to match how I've highlighted your statement.

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There is plenty of bacteria on your entire body. Just because you get the tip of your penis wet does not make it a growing playground for bacteria. Niether does wearing a condom catheter. If you swim in a pool, polluted river or lake, nothing grows on your penis. Wearing a condom catheter will not change that. Now if you have an existing skin or bladder infection that is a different story. But I would hope one would have enough sense not to play at that point.


Any urine going into the bag is going to pick up some of the skin flora. The bag, placed against the leg, will provide a warm temperature to help any bacteria in the bag to grow in number. That's the bacteria factory I'm talking about, not the skin of the penis.

As for the polluted river, lake, etc.? It's certainly possible to get an infection if certain organisms are present. Ever hear of swimmer's ear? Not to mention the possibility of gaining other types of bacterial and parasitic infections.

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/naegleria/
http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/rwi/illnesses/cryptosporidium.html

If there are any opportunistic organisms present in that body of water, it could come in contact with a mucosal surface, gain entry and produce a subsequent infection. This is not to say it will happen absolutely, but the possibility is distinct and present.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 4:21:07 AM   
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No malice, but clearly condescension. As for your last sentence, perhaps you missed reading the bit in my post, which I've highlighted to match how I've highlighted your statement.



What I have a problem with is a person who does not have medical knowledge of something, which you admittedly do not, saying something is not safe when you have not used it and you do not know how it works. You misrepresented the medical facts. I simply presented the correct medical facts. I am not being mean about it. I think that has be an interesting discussion as it allows other to learn, gain knowledge and make their own judgements. I have always been a fan of talk to your doctor or other medical expert. And if you talk to them, they will tell you using a Condom catheter is perfectly safe to do so (within the context of being a healthly male).

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Any urine going into the bag is going to pick up some of the skin flora. The bag, placed against the leg, will provide a warm temperature to help any bacteria in the bag to grow in number. That's the bacteria factory I'm talking about, not the skin of the penis.

Again, your data here is not entirely correct. Urine is sterile in the human body unless you have an infection already. Thinks like bladder infections are due to bacterial growing and multiplying in the mucas lining of the bladder, urethra or other body tissue. The bacteria generally does not grow in multiply in the urine alone. Actually that never happens inside the body ever.

The tip of the penis, specifically the exit of the urethra is always wet with urine. And this urine does come into contact with the outer skin of the penis in microscopic form. So why don't men constantly develop urine tract infections since that skin is so full of harmful bacteria as you put it?

The answer is 1) Most bacteria on the skin is not harmful 2) The action of urination constantly flushes the area with a sterile fluid and does not allow any bacteria that may be present to multiply.

Can bacterial grow inside the urine collection bag? The answer is yes. Is it harmful bacteria? Generally no. The real question is how long does it take to bacterial to grow to a harmful mass. Well since most leg bags hold less than a liter, after 1 or 2 urinations it will need to be emptied. So there simply not be enough time for a harmful colony to develop. Hence that is why millions of people use them everyday with no problems.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
As for the polluted river, lake, etc.? It's certainly possible to get an infection if certain organisms are present. Ever hear of swimmer's ear? Not to mention the possibility of gaining other types of bacterial and parasitic infections.

If there are any opportunistic organisms present in that body of water, it could come in contact with a mucosal surface, gain entry and produce a subsequent infection. This is not to say it will happen absolutely, but the possibility is distinct and present.



Again here you present medical data with no facts. Swimmer's Ear is a generic term for inflammation of the ear canal. This can be caused by bacteria or fungus. The bacteria or fungus is generally present in the water and not from the bacterial on your skin in your ear. The most common cause of swimmer's ear is due to bacteria or the fungus coming in contact with the mucus lining in the ear canal. Usually this occurs due to a break or tear in the skin. People who use Q tips to clean their ears suffer a much higher rate of swimmer's ear than those who do not use that type of product. The action of cleaning the ear with the swab causes microscopbic breaks in the skin allowing the bacteria or fungus to enter. That is why people who use Q tips to clean their ear, percentage wise, more often develop swimmer's ear.



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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 4:22:17 AM   
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Thanks mummy, to be honest never heard about them but wow, this is great info!!! Need to hunt some of them down now!


LadyC,
I will bring you a box of them on my next trip over there :)


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 6:38:07 AM   
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Thanks mummy, to be honest never heard about them but wow, this is great info!!! Need to hunt some of them down now!


LadyC,
I will bring you a box of them on my next trip over there :)




Please, please do! You got me super excited now!

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 10:48:50 AM   
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No malice, but clearly condescension. As for your last sentence, perhaps you missed reading the bit in my post, which I've highlighted to match how I've highlighted your statement.



What I have a problem with is a person who does not have medical knowledge of something, which you admittedly do not, saying something is not safe when you have not used it and you do not know how it works. You misrepresented the medical facts. I simply presented the correct medical facts. I am not being mean about it. I think that has be an interesting discussion as it allows other to learn, gain knowledge and make their own judgements. I have always been a fan of talk to your doctor or other medical expert. And if you talk to them, they will tell you using a Condom catheter is perfectly safe to do so (within the context of being a healthly male).

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

Any urine going into the bag is going to pick up some of the skin flora. The bag, placed against the leg, will provide a warm temperature to help any bacteria in the bag to grow in number. That's the bacteria factory I'm talking about, not the skin of the penis.

Again, your data here is not entirely correct. Urine is sterile in the human body unless you have an infection already. Thinks like bladder infections are due to bacterial growing and multiplying in the mucas lining of the bladder, urethra or other body tissue. The bacteria generally does not grow in multiply in the urine alone. Actually that never happens inside the body ever.

The tip of the penis, specifically the exit of the urethra is always wet with urine. And this urine does come into contact with the outer skin of the penis in microscopic form. So why don't men constantly develop urine tract infections since that skin is so full of harmful bacteria as you put it?

The answer is 1) Most bacteria on the skin is not harmful 2) The action of urination constantly flushes the area with a sterile fluid and does not allow any bacteria that may be present to multiply.

Can bacterial grow inside the urine collection bag? The answer is yes. Is it harmful bacteria? Generally no. The real question is how long does it take to bacterial to grow to a harmful mass. Well since most leg bags hold less than a liter, after 1 or 2 urinations it will need to be emptied. So there simply not be enough time for a harmful colony to develop. Hence that is why millions of people use them everyday with no problems.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
As for the polluted river, lake, etc.? It's certainly possible to get an infection if certain organisms are present. Ever hear of swimmer's ear? Not to mention the possibility of gaining other types of bacterial and parasitic infections.

If there are any opportunistic organisms present in that body of water, it could come in contact with a mucosal surface, gain entry and produce a subsequent infection. This is not to say it will happen absolutely, but the possibility is distinct and present.



Again here you present medical data with no facts. Swimmer's Ear is a generic term for inflammation of the ear canal. This can be caused by bacteria or fungus. The bacteria or fungus is generally present in the water and not from the bacterial on your skin in your ear. The most common cause of swimmer's ear is due to bacteria or the fungus coming in contact with the mucus lining in the ear canal. Usually this occurs due to a break or tear in the skin. People who use Q tips to clean their ears suffer a much higher rate of swimmer's ear than those who do not use that type of product. The action of cleaning the ear with the swab causes microscopbic breaks in the skin allowing the bacteria or fungus to enter. That is why people who use Q tips to clean their ear, percentage wise, more often develop swimmer's ear.




It's hopeless trying to get my point across. I never said bacteria was in the urine coming from the body. I'm well aware of how any body fluid within the body is sterile until it leaves it, if it does leave at all. Obviously urine leaves the body, other fluids don't, under normal circumstances.
I clearly stated "any urine going into the bag is going to pick up some of the skin flora". "Skin flora" equates to bacteria on the skin that normally resides there. I guess you aren't familiar with the phrase.

As for the bag emptying? Well let's just say, where did you mention this in your earlier post? I envisioned a bag of urine collecting for 24 hours or more, and no matter what you believe, the skin bacteria would grown in urine that was stagnant for that long a period of time. And where did I say that it was harmful? I didn't. I would think it's possible to be harmful, yes, but I never said anything beyond it being a bacteria factory.

Swimmer's ear can be defined as an inflammation of the ear canal, but it's also described as an infection. And I was responding to your comment that a person swimming in polluted water wouldn't get an infection, which is possible, but it's also very possible that they could get an infection. Once again, you are reading words into my statements. I only responded to that statement, independent of your comments presented in the OP.

I'm done with this thread. It's pointless trying to explain my simple statement to you, when you read so much into my comments with statements I've never made and when you make such strong assumptions about what my knowledge base is, irrespective of the subject matter.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 1:05:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		mummy is defending his kink with what little knowledge he possesses from his reading. Truth is, condom catheters are safer than indwelling, but have their own potential problems. He presented them as a safe way to play, and that they could be left on for far more extended time than both medical experts and the manufacturers recommend.

Example, if the tube gets a kink, the urine backs up to float around the penis. Wet skin and a confined space will lead to skin break down, even in the healthiest of men. Unless the bag itself is fresh from the box, its far from sterile. A less than sterile container leaves plenty of room for bacteria to grow, resulting in a potential for infection.

I too am done with this topic. He found a toy, and will argue till the end that he knows the risks better than those who are in the medical field. I just hope when those who wish to entertain such a toy, they read all the posts.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 1:12:29 PM   
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Again here you present medical data with no facts. Swimmer's Ear is a generic term for inflammation of the ear canal. This can be caused by bacteria or fungus. The bacteria or fungus is generally present in the water and not from the bacterial on your skin in your ear. The most common cause of swimmer's ear is due to bacteria or the fungus coming in contact with the mucus lining in the ear canal. Usually this occurs due to a break or tear in the skin. People who use Q tips to clean their ears suffer a much higher rate of swimmer's ear than those who do not use that type of product. The action of cleaning the ear with the swab causes microscopbic breaks in the skin allowing the bacteria or fungus to enter. That is why people who use Q tips to clean their ear, percentage wise, more often develop swimmer's ear.


And what bacteria is it they are introducing?

The most common bacteria responsible for outer ear infection are Staphylococcus aureus and Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Other bacteria are less common. In minority of cases (less than 10%), a fungus is the cause of swimmer's ear.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/swimmers_ear/page2_em.htm

Staphylococcus aureus ( /ˌstæfɨlɵˈkɒkəs ˈɔri.əs/; meaning the "golden grape-cluster berry," and also known as "golden staph" and Oro staphira, is a facultative anaerobic Gram-positive coccal bacterium. It is frequently part of the skin flora found in the nose and on skin, and in this manner about 20% of the human population are long-term carriers of S. aureus.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylococcus_aureus

Pseudomonas aeruginosa is a common bacterium that can cause disease in animals, including humans. It is found in soil, water, skin flora, and most man-made environments throughout the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudomonas_aeruginosa

So, yes, someone could very well get swimmer's ear from their own skin.

The only thing worse than wrong information is misleading information with just enough truth to allow someone to stop looking.

mummy, yours has just enough truth to be believable without being true.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 4:05:38 PM   
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Well I guess people are different. Many years ago I infibulated (non pierced using modern materials) myself for a week. I have worn a condom cath (with internal adhesive) for a couple of days. I wore a homemade chastity belt for days on end and I wore a CB3000 with a tight harness for SEVEN WEEKS. (no off for any reason)

I never had a problem. Am I that physically superior to others ? I really would like to know.

People eat each others' shit, get tied up in rubber suits, get pissed on and suck cock and eat pussy. You have no idea where it's been. How the fuck does a thing that sticks to the dick compare ?

Wear the fucking thing for a week. If you have problems don't do it so long NEXT TIME. And self bondage is really dangerous too, want instructions ? I survived (barely)

If you want a life without risks try http://www.disney,com/ but that's not guaranteed either.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 4:23:08 PM   
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mummy is defending his kink with what little knowledge he possesses from his reading. Truth is, condom catheters are safer than indwelling, but have their own potential problems. He presented them as a safe way to play, and that they could be left on for far more extended time than both medical experts and the manufacturers recommend.

Example, if the tube gets a kink, the urine backs up to float around the penis. Wet skin and a confined space will lead to skin break down, even in the healthiest of men. Unless the bag itself is fresh from the box, its far from sterile. A less than sterile container leaves plenty of room for bacteria to grow, resulting in a potential for infection.

I too am done with this topic. He found a toy, and will argue till the end that he knows the risks better than those who are in the medical field. I just hope when those who wish to entertain such a toy, they read all the posts.


Tazzy,
It is not my kink. Its an option for those who like to play longer. And it can be done safely.

My knowledge is not Google based. My knowledge on this subject comes from 2 sources.
1) I was the end user of the product for about 1 year while after going through a series of back surgeries before I ever got into BDSM.
2) Master's degree in Bio Medical Science

For length a time a condom catheter can be worn for:
I stated there is a debate on how long. I said that debate ranged from 12 hours to 2 days. I also stated I have used one for 36 hours. This came directly my experience in going through rehab. So here is the information directly from 2 different manufacturers. Both recommend 24 hours:

http://www.urinedevice.com/geewhiz_faq.htm
http://www.coloplast.com/Products/UrologyAndContinenceCare/ConveenOptima/UserGuides/Pages/UserGuides.aspx?PagePos=5

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 5:22:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did want to take the time to talk about Skin Flora. Since this debate is going back and forth and there is a bit of a disagreement there.

Skin Flora is the term for microrganisms that are present on the skin. They are compromised of bacteria, fungus and others. Most of the bacteria present is not harmful or are benificial. You can also have bad bacteria present. And then there is the possibility of having a really nasty bacteria present on your skin. Certain strains of Staph can be really bad.

Now both Tazzy, and DeviantlyD bring up that you can get a skin infection from using a condom catheter. I will agree this is 100% true. The possibility exists. If you have a harmful bacteria present on your skin and there is a tear in the skin, this can lead to infection. Where I disagree with Tazzy and DeviantlyD is in how likely is that to occur. If you have that bad bacteria present on your body, you will also suffer a skin infection with a simple paper cut. People get staph infections because they knicked their knee on the edge of a swimming pool when getting out of the pool. Am I going to tell you not to go swimming because you might get a staph infection? No.

Why do I say condom catheters are safe to use?. This is based on the fact that condom catheters are basically an over the counter product and have been around a long time. They are used every day by people who have weak bladders other incontinent reasons. I am not suggesting using the product in any other way than it is intended.

I do encourage everyone interested to read all the posts. I also said earlier do not hesitate to talk to a professional. Your doctor can be one source. Stop in an talk to the people at the Home health care storely store where the condom catheters can be purchased. If you Google, go to the manufactures website and not unknown sources. Be informed and learn.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 8:33:28 PM   
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From a medical standpoint, its changed to prevent skin damage from the wet condom sheath being in costant contact with the skin.

Just because you could go days without changing one doesnt make it healthy for others to do so. Please, be careful with information you share. Depending on the medical condition of the one wearing it, even 12 hours could be too long.
Tazzy, I've never seen skin damage happen because a Texas/condom cath staying on for two days. One is more likely to get skin damage from lying in urine, than having that cath on. In fact, good luck to anyone able to keep that thing from falling off for two days straight, has been more my issue with them.

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Example, if the tube gets a kink, the urine backs up to float around the penis. Wet skin and a confined space will lead to skin break down, even in the healthiest of men. Unless the bag itself is fresh from the box, its far from sterile. A less than sterile container leaves plenty of room for bacteria to grow, resulting in a potential for infection.
Tazzy, you're not wrong, as much as being unfair. Being born alive will cause death at some point. Given the gamut of things done in play, the Texas/condom catheter, would be among the safest, easiest things to play with. I myself, prefer the indwelling, if I were ever going to play with catheters.

If the tube kinks, assuming one is playing with a live person, and one is paying attention, that problem is easy enough to resolve. Mummy, in this instance, sounds like he definitely knows what he's talking about. I don't know what he does for work, but he has the right information. M


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/22/2011 8:50:56 PM   
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I've used these on patients, and before applying a condom cath in a professional medical setting, there is a skin protectant that we rub on the skin of the penis. It encourages the adhesive inside the cath to stick more firmly to the film created on the skin by the protectant than to the skin itself. I would actually be inclined to think that changing it every 12 hours might be more likely to lead to skin damage then to leave it for 24 hours. Pulling things off the skin is certainly not good for it, even if you're using a protectant...and these things STICK. The tip of one finger of my glove just glanced against it as I was rolling it on one time and it stuck so firmly that I pitched the whole kit and my gloves and started over. These are a better option than in-dwelling catheters because it's unlikely that the urine is going to back up into the bladder...and THAT's the main cause of infection with catheters. As long as the bag is kept lower than the penis and the tubing is kept unkinked, there shouldn't be much of a concern for infection. Urine doesn't even pool at the head of the penis, so skin breakdown from moisture isn't much of an issue.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/23/2011 2:58:39 AM   
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Given the gamut of things done in play, the Texas/condom catheter, would be among the safest, easiest things to play with. I myself, prefer the indwelling, if I were ever going to play with catheters.

If the tube kinks, assuming one is playing with a live person, and one is paying attention, that problem is easy enough to resolve. Mummy, in this instance, sounds like he definitely knows what he's talking about. I don't know what he does for work, but he has the right information. M



Agreed, and we are possibly talking about what? 2 to 6 hours of play where you don't want to redo extensive rope bondage or a complete mummification for the purpose of a pee break. It's also not something you are going to do every day.

In case somebody considers that too much of a risk, then I'd really be worried about doing anything that is not 100% risk free and sitting around and having milk and cookies is not quite the BDSM play I imagine - mind you then you could also choke on a crumb, be lactose intolerant....

For 2 people that are RACK and into extensive immobilization, it shouldn't really be much of a problem.


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/23/2011 11:36:08 AM   
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As a nurse in extended-care, we had a quadripilegic in our facility for over a year, and he preferred condom caths over the other kinds. The nurses would remove the cath three times a day/once each shift and clean his penis, then apply a clean/new condom cath again. That was to prevent the possible skin breakdown and infections due to urine coming into contact with the skin, which is always a possiblity with condom catheters.

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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/23/2011 12:30:55 PM   
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Having worked as a live-in carer many years ago and used those on a daily basis I once had the pleasure to test one on a guy i am in touch with since many years (the person I got it from told me to chuck some of his ones out, as he considered to have more than enough spare ones, following which I kept one)....now, because of that experience I would not dare to apply it easily on a Dom who is capable to shred me to pieces afterwards, cause my friend who was keen to test it (and who was not disabled) experienced it to be very painful indeed...and I applied it on him the same way how I was taught to apply it, which never caused issues with the guys who NEEDED it.

Therefore I would be very careful to apply such intimate disability aid stuff on healthy people...but thats just me...who still has the swearing and anger from my friend in her ear


Phoenix,
Not sure what happened with your experience.

The only discomfort I have run into and heard from others is pubic hair getting caught in the condom catheter. Pubic hair being yanked out when removing the condom catheter I will agree is not pleasent. Though it might be fun for the more sadistic Domme :)


There were not pubic hair getting caught, I am pretty sure about that.

I am not in the medical field so I am not giving advice I am not competent to give, I am only advicing to be careful when going down that route with a person the first time as it might be ok, but also it might not be a pleasant experience.

When that situation did occur I was wondering if the circulation might have had to do with it, meaning for example that maybe a person who is paralised neck or hip down might feel less pain than a healthy person (as I know, from my work with spinal cord injured clients, that they can burn their hands on the radiator and not realise it until it is too late due to lack of feeling it).

So I simply would disadvice against comparing patients needing them compared to healthy persons as being the same...but again, thats just me.


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/23/2011 1:05:19 PM   
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There were not pubic hair getting caught, I am pretty sure about that.

I am not in the medical field so I am not giving advice I am not competent to give, I am only advicing to be careful when going down that route with a person the first time as it might be ok, but also it might not be a pleasant experience.

When that situation did occur I was wondering if the circulation might have had to do with it, meaning for example that maybe a person who is paralised neck or hip down might feel less pain than a healthy person (as I know, from my work with spinal cord injured clients, that they can burn their hands on the radiator and not realise it until it is too late due to lack of feeling it).

So I simply would disadvice against comparing patients needing them compared to healthy persons as being the same...but again, thats just me.



Phoenixp,
I agree. There is a big difference between a patient under medical care than an otherwise normal healthy adult male just using the device for bladder incontinence. You cannot fairly compare the two. The only point I would made is to use the product as recommended by the manufacturer unless directed to do so by a medical professional whois care you are under.

As far as pain goes. The adhesive some manufactures use to hold the condom cath to the penal shaft can be quiet strong. So technique in removing it can be benifical. The least painful way is simply to roll the catheter condom off the exact oposite way it is rolled on. You also need to stretch the shaft out a little so it does not pull the skin. This method was totally painless for me unless a hair got caught. Now if you just try and pull it off, I can see that hurting and I would not recommend that method. Again I am going to fall back to use the method by the manufacturer and for the ones I have its to roll them off.

I do not think that a healthly person should feel pain when removing the condom catheter. Something is not right if that happening. Like I said I had to use one for over a year and never experienced anything like you described.




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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/23/2011 3:11:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The next topic on condom catheters I wanted to talk about is the urine collection bag, also known as a leg bag. When you buy the urine collection bag there will be many varieties in the store or online. The stores generally sell urine collection bags for indwelling catheters as well the external condom catheter. So it is important to know what to get.

Type of Urine Collection bag to use
What I would suggest is the type or bag that is called a leg bag. Leg bags are meant to be strapped to the leg of the wearer of the condom catheter. This allows the person to be mobile and do normal everyday activities. You can buy reusable ones or disposable ones. Obviously, I would recommend the disposable kind for sanitary reasons.

Things to look for in the leg bag. The quality disposable ones have a one way valve at the entry point. This only allows urine to pass one way into the urine collection bag and will not back up into the tubing connecting the condom catheter to the leg bag. Another nice feature is to get one with a bottom valve so the bag can be emptied. With these 2 features in the leg bag, the bag can easily be detached and emptied. A disposable bag can be reused over a single use setting, lets say 24 hours. Or said a better way, the disposable ones are designed to be emptied multiple times in a single use setting before discarding. One leg beg would be sufficient for a single day use even though you might have to empty to bag once or twice throughout the day evening.

Location of the leg bag:
While leg bags are designed to be strapped to the person’s leg, if your sub is tied up you do not have to strap it to their leg. It is key that the bag be at a level lower than the condom catheter to gravity can do its job. If your sub is tied in a standing position the bag can be on the floor or hung on a hook or whatever just so that it is lower than the condom catheter. If the person is laying down in a horizontal position, then I would recommend hanging it over the side of the bed/table or whatever the sub is laying on to allow gravity to do its job.

Connecting the Condom Catheter to the Leg Bag:
You will need a piece of tubing to run from the condom catheter to the leg bag. Sometimes this will come with the leg bag. Other times it will not. The same store that sold you the leg bag will have the connecting tubes available to buy. And if you need assistance the people in the store will help you. The tubing will generally have a hard plastic cone on one end. This will allow the condom catheter opening to be pushed on the cone. The other end of the tube connects to the leg bag. The leg bag usually will have the hard plastic cone and the open end of the connecting tube gets pushed onto the cone of the leg bag.

If you decide this is something you want to try in a BDSM scene I would recommend trying one first outside of the BDSM setting. Buy 5 or 6 Condom catheter and maybe 2 or 3 leg bags. Being clean shaven helps with hairs getting caught. Otherwise pay special attention to hair control when putting on the condom catheter and taking it off.

I hope this provides the basic information for you to be informed. Of course always read and follow the manufacturers instructions. People use them every day who are not medically injured and only have a bladder control problem. It gives them the freedom to play golf, drive a car, take a nature walk, play poker, and million other activities without constantly going to the bathroom or wetting themselves. It does not have the bulk or mess of a diaper and allows men true freedom.


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/23/2011 3:24:47 PM   
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It's hopeless trying to get my point across. I never said bacteria was in the urine coming from the body. I'm well aware of how any body fluid within the body is sterile until it leaves it, if it does leave at all. Obviously urine leaves the body, other fluids don't, under normal circumstances.
I clearly stated "any urine going into the bag is going to pick up some of the skin flora". "Skin flora" equates to bacteria on the skin that normally resides there. I guess you aren't familiar with the phrase.

As for the bag emptying? Well let's just say, where did you mention this in your earlier post? I envisioned a bag of urine collecting for 24 hours or more, and no matter what you believe, the skin bacteria would grown in urine that was stagnant for that long a period of time. And where did I say that it was harmful? I didn't. I would think it's possible to be harmful, yes, but I never said anything beyond it being a bacteria factory.



If the Skin Flora is ripe with bacteria on the penis and all its needs is a wet enviroment, why aren't all the women giving blow jobs suffering from severe bacterial infections of the mouth??? Now surely no self respecting sub would ever give the master a BJ, even when ordered to, because who would ever dare to go near such a bacteria factory? And if we think about the combined bacteria on the skin of the penis and the mouth, OMG, no no no... Actually such a thing in my vagina? I think I just swore off sex... I mean if the sex is good, the vagina is a wet environment, have you ever considered the bacteria?

Can we keep things in perspective?


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RE: Condom Catheters - An option for longer sessions - 6/24/2011 9:02:31 PM   
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I don't have any issue with the condom caths--I'm surprised more truckers don't use them! (certainly safer than, ew, milk jugs..)    As I'm sure you are aware, there are a variety of different catheters out there--and even if they are available OTC, personally, I will stand by my statement that the only folks who should insert caths are those who are trained by healthcare professionals.  The urethra is quite unforgiving to trauma.

As someone who had a catheter inserted by a nurse--I swear, improperly--she claimed otherwise--I have never experienced such horrible pain before. (had a literal out of body experience--wasn't fun.)  And a UTI as a result for the days after.  It's just a pity that they have not come out with a better version of a female external catheter.

In any case, I thought your thread was very interesting, and I'm glad you mentioned these devices.  I respect Tazzy's opinion as she has been a healthcare professional for quite some time--I don't agree that the condom cath is so high-risk but then again, I've never encountered one before on a patient.


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