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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:32:12 PM   
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Cute. But what else can you say in light of reason and truth?

And, why be private now? That's a little like closing the barn door after the horse is out.

Which you could have handled long ago.  It never had to come to this in the first place.  You lived together how long and now you want to come along with parenting advice?

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It's a common and understandable problem because certainly you cannot school full time and keep up a 2500 square foot house and one horse, four cats, two dogs and two kids and me and my daughter and her boyfriend occasionally here during the summer. You asked for suggestions and got some but this thread was side railed by the usual players, those who can be identified readily by having posted at least once an hour each day except when they are in bed and we all know who they are. I'm glad you did not get flustered with them as was the case when you were one of them well over a year ago. But that was then and now it is certainly different with you offline and real time with roots in the local community and friends you see face to face each day. You changed for the better and have real roots here and real friends but you cannot change everything in a year especially when you have a low expectations to begin with.

Spoken like a man who is reaching to the bottom of the damn barrel to try to find an insult for others when his image is falling apart and can't come up with anything better.  Christ, if the woman would have had folks that she could have turned to for help, it wouldn't have become all of this.  The parenting advice on this thread could have been obtained from a number of sources.  If you look at it, the stuff about being a Mom, putting structure in the household, and how to implement it is pretty darn consistent. 

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Knowing you as well as the kids very well I do know the issue boils down to the children living up to your expectations because for the longest time you allowed them to act this way and in fact, for a winter several years ago, they actually ran your home while you were very, very sick and it was not pretty. So, now when you challenge them to act differently than the norm they naturally resist and they test your resolve while expecting little punishment or consistency. Unfortunately they were correct because before changing them you had to change yourself, your expectations in yourself, how you discipline them and how well you communicate and enforce your expectation of them.

And just where were you in all of this?  From this thread I can tell you where.  Enabling the situation to continue.  Even before they moved in, there is no way you coulnd't have seen this issue unless you'd have had a bag over your head.  Are you trying to tell Me that you were so little involved in your slave's life prior to moving in together that you had no clue that problems like this existed?  That she never mentioned that the situation was that kids weren't doing chores, that she had to do it all, or that things were allowed to slide because the proper alternative wasn't in place? 

For future reference, here's how you handle that.  You forbid your slave to just shrug their shoulders and do the chores that the kids won't do.  In the meantime, they don't watch tv, play X-Box, or still plan on going to that ballgame later in the week.  See, I'll tell you just like I tell everybody else.  I may not be the Mistress of clip's children, but I sure as hell am the owner of clip.  Same goes for My kids.  It wasn't permitted in My house for clip to do what was really their responsibility to do.

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Over the last week or so I've seen serious efforts on your part to discipline them but changes like this cannot occur overnight especially with such intelligent and strong willed children. So, clear consistency in your communications and high expectation levels in yourself and them are required over a long period of weeks and maybe even months. In business this is called "elevation" and we are indeed elevating expectations, changing thinking and methods and thus behaviors to achieve success. This will not be so hard if you remember it's harder and more stressfull on you and them to spare the rod rather than use it or to avoid the problem rather than deal with the problem and for the longest time you were all about problem avoidance.

No kidding.  It's been, what?  A year?  That's even if you were completely blind to it before they moved in.  Are you seriously saying that you had kids living in your house who weren't being taught any responsibility (the 'aw, Mom will do it' syndrome) when it came to chores and this family expected that to magically change when Mom went back to school?

You don't have to be the disciplinarian in a household to help make this happen.  What you do have to be is an authority figure.  The picture that's been painted here is that when your slave was too ill in bed to be able to get dishes done, there wasn't enough structure in the household to make sure that they did.  If you were the boss at a company and a supervisor, for what ever reason wasn't accomplishing what needed to happen in their department, would you have just said, "oh, that's the other person's responsibility" and let it slide?  That's no way to run a business and it's obviously not the way to run a home. 


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:32:24 PM   
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Whoooaaahh Did I miss the part that I am back living with him? What? News to me, but then I'm the last to know. hmmmm

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:33:56 PM   
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although I'm sure there are some slaves over on the Gor board who would love to mistreated and misdirected by you.


Not so sure Lafayette Lady....he is well known over there too.  Gorean slaves aren't stupid, most recognize a man unable to master himself, let alone another.



Thanks for saving me the keystrokes, Lisa. I would just add that you shouldn't write things you know nothing about, it makes you look foolish.



Then perhaps you should step away from the keyboard. I didn't say ALL the gorean slaves would, but I have no doubt that the newbies over there are so anxious to follow they would jump really quick on his bullshit lines.

Other than that, you seem to be willing to think that "poor" Tammy just needs another chance because you, regardless of knowing the history, have your rose colored glasses preventing you from seeing the forest for the trees. There were two people in this relationship and no matter how much you *think* you know what happened, there is no way that it is just Art's fault. Yes, he is a douchebag of the first degree, but Tammy wouldn't know the truth if it slapped her in the face and lives in the happy land of delusions. Perhaps you are neighbors.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:34:14 PM   
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Yeah, according to him, you are.

I say we all encourage both of them to continue posting, as a warning to any potential future mates. If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning.


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:40:33 PM   
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Whoooaaahh Did I miss the part that I am back living with him? What? News to me, but then I'm the last to know. hmmmm


Per artie, you've yet to leave........


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:40:34 PM   
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I haven't followed the drama because I thought he was just a bit of an arrogant sod and no need to take him remotely seriously, so I skiped the posts, I might have gotten it wrong, but isn't that the same one who was going on and on about how she is reduced to a quivering mess when he fists, so all women are powerless when dude wields the fist... Seems that somebody asked for permission to gain power to leave and it was granted... Sure that was it. Or maybe she's still into fisting but not into dicks?

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:43:10 PM   
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The thing is you made no mention of newbies, all you wrote is and I quote:

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I'm sure there are some slaves over on the Gor board who would love to mistreated and misdirected by you


So my post remains correct given the info in your post.




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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:43:59 PM   
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HOLY fuck, since when was i into fisting....

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:45:11 PM   
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HOLY fuck, since when was i into fisting....


Perhaps doing a historical of arties posts would enlighten you. Unless the thread has been removed.


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:45:28 PM   
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Other than that, you seem to be willing to think that "poor" Tammy just needs another chance because you, regardless of knowing the history, have your rose colored glasses preventing you from seeing the forest for the trees. There were two people in this relationship and no matter how much you *think* you know what happened, there is no way that it is just Art's fault. Yes, he is a douchebag of the first degree, but Tammy wouldn't know the truth if it slapped her in the face and lives in the happy land of delusions. Perhaps you are neighbors.


aaaaand wrong! I am well aware of the history, HOWEVER I have seen signs that Tammy is trying to turn things around and I chose to encourage that instead of beating her over the head with her past behaviour.


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:47:08 PM   
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HOLY fuck, since when was i into fisting....


Might have gotten it wrong and it was somebody who sounded just as pretentious as him, though I doubt it, it was in reply to a comment Sunshine made about the power of the pussy... Unfortunately it got binned by the mods, partially due to some comments by said guy trying to take over the ask a Mistress board...

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:48:40 PM   
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HOLY fuck, since when was i ever living at Castle Arturas....

.......wait for it.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:49:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

HOLY fuck, since when was i into fisting....


Might have gotten it wrong and it was somebody who sounded just as pretentious as him, though I doubt it, it was in reply to a comment Sunshine made about the power of the pussy... Unfortunately it got binned by the mods, partially due to some comments by said guy trying to take over the ask a Mistress board...


tadaaaaaaa

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3736170/mpage_2/key_fisting/tm.htm#3736976


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:49:35 PM   
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Most Doms and most leaders are narcissists so keep calling me one.

I think we've found the problem.

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Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.


Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional


Yeah, this sounds like DarkSteven.


Anything taken to extreme is an disorder. So, none of this defines narcissism or being a narcissist. Even if they did, at no time will tam tell you I exhibit these characteristcs.

It does indeed sound like DarkSteven when he posted to me. He is expressing disdain, appears tough minded and unemotional (yet, I am clearly not so and publically emotional to the point of being called a fool and am certainlyi emotional at home at times), expects others to go along with his idea (I do not post expecting that or expecting this at home all the time, tam is tough minded at times when she needs to be), fails to recognize tam's and my emotions are important ingredients in this situation, taking advantage of the situation by simply doing a drive by attack using this media as his shield, exagurating the effectiveness of his solution, clearly posting expecting praise (yet, clearly I do not), fantasizing about power, success and such...yes, I have a household I master and he does not and if he did he would not be posting like that here, he would just be a master in real life. As am I.

So I really don't have time to particpate in this. I'm not trying to be rude. I'll leave that to others here who are more experienced at it.

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:52:18 PM   
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tadaaaaaaa

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3736170/mpage_2/key_fisting/tm.htm#3736976

Oh puke, did you have to?

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:53:32 PM   
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Sooo Tammy...where are you typing from at this moment?   And Arty...?   It appears from the posting, you are under the same roof, and yet....you are questioning what he is writing?     Are you sharing a keyboard?  I ask, because when he appears, you seem to get quiet, and when your actively posting, he stops.    

We were told two weeks, by you, before you move out, has it happened already and you didn't tell Arty?   I realize he may be slow, but surely he would notice your lack of presence?   Art says the 15th...that you are talking about the discipline issue...not sure why that is something he needs to concern himself with now.   A year ago, would have been better.

See why things don't make sense? 


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:54:46 PM   
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OMG, really?

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:55:30 PM   
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tadaaaaaaa

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3736170/mpage_2/key_fisting/tm.htm#3736976


Don't wanna look, don't wanna look....oh shit I looked! There goes my appetite.


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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:56:18 PM   
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This has got to be the very best page of the thread, highlighting some of the funnier posts! Award winning laughter! 

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RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 - 7/15/2011 1:57:01 PM   
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Sooo Tammy...where are you typing from at this moment?   And Arty...?   It appears from the posting, you are under the same roof, and yet....you are questioning what he is writing?     Are you sharing a keyboard?  I ask, because when he appears, you seem to get quiet, and when your actively posting, he stops.    

We were told two weeks, by you, before you move out, has it happened already and you didn't tell Arty?   I realize he may be slow, but surely he would notice your lack of presence?   Art says the 15th...that you are talking about the discipline issue...not sure why that is something he needs to concern himself with now.   A year ago, would have been better.

See why things don't make sense? 



Oh, I see, this is the old "tam and Art are the same" stuff you used to push around the forum...

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