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hardcybermaster -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 4:51:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

"There are over 38,000 different Christian religions, they are separated by dogma, policy and religion, "

Amazing with such diversity that they are all so uniformly misguided!




You are entitled to whatever belief system you hold, but even you might realize there is a difference between: New Age Christians, Catholics, Latter Day Saints, and Africian Based Offshoots and the thousand other classes of Christians.

Of course there are differences but they all believe in god so they are all wrong.Some religions may appeal more to one person than another but the basic belief is the same and it is incorrect



Kirata -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 5:31:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

Of course there are differences but they all believe in god so they are all wrong.

Well there are differences on both sides. Among believers, for example, there are those who say, "I believe in God," and there are those who can be counted upon to proclaim at any opportunity, "There is a God," whether their opinion is wanted or not, and most especially if it isn't. Among non-believers, there are those who say, "I don't believe in God," and there are those who can be counted upon to proclaim at any opportunity, "There is no God," whether their opinion is wanted or not, and most especially if it isn't.

In my experience, at least, among both believers and non-believers, most of the world's premier assholes fall into the second category.

K.





LadyPact -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 5:41:59 PM)

Is it any wonder why some folks, like Myself, would rather just say they are a person of faith and leave it at that?

Good thread.  I enjoyed the read.



farglebargle -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/28/2011 5:43:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

It is hard to stereotype people if you admit that they are not monolithic.


But it's easy when they're not even monotheistic.

Seriously. "Jesus" is NOT the "Son of G-d". There's no "Holy Spirit" ( although Casper IS a Friendly Ghost! )

That's a violation of the FIRST Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me "

And hanging up and praying to those idols of "Jesus"?

That's a violation of the Second Commandment. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them"




SilverMark -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 5:45:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster


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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

"There are over 38,000 different Christian religions, they are separated by dogma, policy and religion, "

Amazing with such diversity that they are all so uniformly misguided!




You are entitled to whatever belief system you hold, but even you might realize there is a difference between: New Age Christians, Catholics, Latter Day Saints, and Africian Based Offshoots and the thousand other classes of Christians.

Of course there are differences but they all believe in god so they are all wrong.Some religions may appeal more to one person than another but the basic belief is the same and it is incorrect


When it comes to religious BELIEFS, who are you to judge right and wrong?
If one finds sanctuary in belief you have the ordained right to judge them incorrect?
If someone said all people who pose in gas masks were idiots, would that make you an idiot?
Religion is a deeply personal issue, and one man's belief is not for judgment by another.
I thought those in BDSM were supposed to be "Open Minded" in matters of sex and spirituality?
Belief and faith are things that people find comfort and solace in, it doesn't qualify them to judge others, but disbelief doesn't qualify you to judge them either.
I have a low tolerance for those who wish to foist their religious beliefs on me, but then again to be fair, I cannot judge them wrong because of their attempts to pass what they think is The Answer anymore than I would judge you for your appearance.



DarkSteven -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 5:54:06 PM)

I would disagree with some of the "Christian" groups listed.

1. Unitarian Universalists are not necessarily Christian.  They do not require any specific beliefs for membership.  As far as I could tell, the only requirement is paying dues to the church, although some sort of ethics seems stressed.

2. Mormons believe that there are multiple worlds, each with its own God and Goddess overseeing.  Polytheistic, in other words.  They consider themselves Christians, but other Christians do not, generally.

3. I would consider Messianic Jews (Jews for Jesus) to be Christians, but they try to represent as being both Christian and Jewish.



SilverMark -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 5:56:09 PM)

PS That isn't to say I cannot be an asshole about things I feel strongly about, I just leave Religion and Sexuality out of my "assholish" behavior....I think I made up a new word[:D]



Kirata -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/28/2011 6:00:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

It is hard to stereotype people if you admit that they are not monolithic.

But it's easy when they're not even monotheistic.

Seriously. "Jesus" is NOT the "Son of G-d". There's no "Holy Spirit" ( although Casper IS a Friendly Ghost! )

That's a violation of the FIRST Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me "

And hanging up and praying to those idols of "Jesus"?

That's a violation of the Second Commandment. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them"

Another Carnegie graduate.

And unh, incidentally... there is absolutely nothing monotheistic about that First Commandment you're citing. [:D]

K.




BamaD -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/28/2011 6:04:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

It is hard to stereotype people if you admit that they are not monolithic.

But it's easy when they're not even monotheistic.

Seriously. "Jesus" is NOT the "Son of G-d". There's no "Holy Spirit" ( although Casper IS a Friendly Ghost! )

That's a violation of the FIRST Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me "

And hanging up and praying to those idols of "Jesus"?

That's a violation of the Second Commandment. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them"

Another Carnegie graduate.

And unh, incidentally... there is absolutely nothing monotheistic about that First Commandment you're citing. [:D]

K.




Thank you!!




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:26:38 PM)

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When it comes to religious BELIEFS, who are you to judge right and wrong?
look, i've got nothing against the mentally ill, but i do resent them demanding that i make allowances for their fucking delusions.



Fightdirecto -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:31:14 PM)

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Hardcybermaster wrote:

...but they all believe in god so they are all wrong.


Based on your comment, you seem to be the perfect person to ask the question I commented on before.

If Pol Pot of Cambodia, an avowed atheist, killed thousands based on his understanding of atheism (his understanding that all the religious were "wrong" and therefore deserved extermination) - was he better or worse than Mother Theresa of India who attempted to help the poor based on her understanding of her relgion?

After all, by your standard, Mother Theresa was "wrong" because she believed in a God and Pol Pot was "right" because he believed there was no God.

Further, as someone who expresses the belief that all who believe in a God (or Gods or a Goddess are "wrong", would you call yourself a fundamentalist atheist, as describes by atheist Resa Azlan:
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There is, as has often been noted, something peculiarly evangelistic about what has been termed the new atheist movement ... It is no exaggeration to describe the movement popularized by the likes of Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens as a new and particularly zealous form of fundamentalism -- an atheist fundamentalism. The parallels with religious fundamentalism are obvious and startling: the conviction that they are in sole possession of truth (scientific or otherwise), the troubling lack of tolerance for the views of their critics (Dawkins has compared creationists to Holocaust deniers), the insistence on a literalist reading of scripture (more literalist, in fact, than one finds among most religious fundamentalists), the simplistic reductionism of the religious phenomenon, and, perhaps most bizarrely, their overwhelming sense of siege: the belief that they have been oppressed and marginalized by Western societies and are just not going to take it anymore.



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/28/2011 6:34:32 PM)

i think this is a very worthwhile thread. while i'm not into organized religion anymore, it always bugged me the way people bash on "Christians" as if they are this giant one-size-fits-all mass that does the same thing, thinks the same thing, responds the same way, etc etc. they aren't, they're very different individual people.
just like all muslims aren't islamofascist terrorists, all christians aren't judgmental.

honestly, some of the most judgmental people i've met in my life have been pseudo-intellectual "non religious" people who won't give you the time of day unless you believe EXACTLY what they do, politically, ideologically, spiritually, whatever. if you don't, then you're not worth their time. that's terribly judgmental behavior from people who are generally complaining about "judgmental Christians."




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:35:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

If Pol Pot of Cambodia, an avowed atheist, killed thousands based on his understanding of atheism (his understanding that all the religious were "wrong" and therefore deserved extermination) - was he better or worse than Mother Theresa of India who attempted to help the poor based on her understanding of her relgion?

After all, by your standard, Mother Theresa was "wrong" because she believed in a God and Pol Pot was "right" because he believed there was no God.


what a fantastic point and contrast.



Kirata -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:38:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

look, i've got nothing against the mentally ill, but i do resent them demanding that i make allowances for their fucking delusions.

They don't all have delusions of fucking. A lot of them actually do it.

K.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:39:46 PM)

but not before marraige. [;)]



SilverMark -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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When it comes to religious BELIEFS, who are you to judge right and wrong?
look, i've got nothing against the mentally ill, but i do resent them demanding that i make allowances for their fucking delusions.

You see that is exactly what I am speaking of, religion is a deeply personal issue, much more so that most topics around here. Your claim of those who take such beliefs as mental illness illustrates your lack of knowledge in humanity.
I could care not if you are whatever it is you are, why is it that those who believe in Christianity, Islam, Wicca, Buddhism should be thought to have a mental disability just because one non-man hating lesbian thinks they have a deficiency?
Other issues are indeed a different matter, and I have yet to see anyone on these boards start preaching any type of religion. I am not the most tolerant of people in many issues, but religion I find to be different. So show your ass, your dislike and inability to do much more than spew such crap like a an overflowing septic tank, but you are no better in this regard. Spewing hatred is as bad as proselytizing religion, you are showing a rather small mindedness. But hey, show off all you like, it seems to be what you do.[:D]...you kind of grow on people...a bit like a fungus.



Kirata -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 6:42:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

but not before marraige. [;)]

Well, true. If it's before marriage, they can't fuck...

They have to fornicate.

K.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 7:17:47 PM)

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why is it that those who believe in Christianity, Islam, Wicca, Buddhism should be thought to have a mental disability
maybe because they fucking believe in non-existent things. its pretty much what the word delusional means isn't it? believing shit that isn't real?

the american heritage dictionary has the following definition of delusion: A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence,

seems pretty fucking unequivocal to me.

and it goes on to add the following bit: especially as a symptom of mental illness.

there ya go buckwheat, all in black and fucking white. kindly explain to me how that doesn't apply to religious belief.



dcnovice -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 7:23:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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why is it that those who believe in Christianity, Islam, Wicca, Buddhism should be thought to have a mental disability
maybe because they fucking believe in non-existent things. its pretty much what the word delusional means isn't it? believing shit that isn't real?

the american heritage dictionary has the following definition of delusion: A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence,

seems pretty fucking unequivocal to me.

and it goes on to add the following bit: especially as a symptom of mental illness.

there ya go buckwheat, all in black and fucking white. kindly explain to me how that doesn't apply to religious belief.


Wow, is this the kind of sophisticated, open-minded, tolerant thought one can achieve if only one frees one's mind from theism?



Musicmystery -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 7:25:15 PM)

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