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HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 10:35:45 PM)

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Wouldn't you want find the answer for yourself?
i did just that. my answer is that they are all fucking wrong.



Kirata -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 10:53:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i did just that. my answer is that they are all fucking wrong.

Well unh, no... unless I misinterpreted you, your answer was that it's all delusional, that there isn't anything, no God, no higher Providence, no source of greater strength or wisdom, nada, zip.

K.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/28/2011 11:08:10 PM)

no you interpreted my words pretty fucking accurately. and since they <religions> all say those things exist, they are all fucking wrong.

i was just saving keystrokes.[:)]

actually buddhism holds a lot of appeal to me, in its theravada form, before they fucked it up by deifying gautama adding all the fucking bodhisattvas and shit. its a fine fucking example of constructing a moral, ethical, and philosophical world view that fulfills all the functions of a religion without needing a fucking deity to hang it on. all the fucking answers are within you, you only need to look within. it's the reality is an illusion shit i just don't buy, so i'm not a buddhist.



hlen5 -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 2:06:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DecadentDesire

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
ok, please explain to me how the definition of a delusion does not apply to religious belief.


Tommorrow, when I wake up, I will be waking up to a host of unknowns........

.......And that's all I have to say on this subject. I'm not getting dragged down into this rabbit hole.



What a beautiful and clear post!!



Musicmystery -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 5:03:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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Now, since we must face the fact that there is no hard evidence with which either to prove or disprove the existence of God, that rules out classifying belief in God as a delusion right there.
but there is ample evidence against the existence of god.
1. there is simply no evidence whatsofucking ever that supports the existence of a god.
2. every attempt ever made to prove the existence of god has fucking failed.
3. it is impossible to fucking reconcile the way life actually is with god as described by the various religions.

now i'm no fucking scientist, but seems to me if i propose a fucking hypothesis and there is zero evidence to support it, all experiments designed to prove it fail, and it contradicts the observable reality, well i'd be pretty fucking sure you'd say it is disproved.

You're right...you're no scientist, fucking or otherwise.

There's a world of difference between "disproved" and a lack of conclusive evidence. "Ample evidence against" is problematic in this case, in that there's much left to be explained. Granted, jumping assuming a god without evidence doesn't solve the problem. But investigating some causal/unifying force is hardly "delusional," and plenty of supporting, if not conclusive, evidence is fronted by several spiritual approaches in support of their take on this.

To pretend there's nothing, with no proof of that either, is arrogant, and certainly delusional regarding your reasoning abilities.



thishereboi -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 5:23:36 AM)

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Hanna, most of what you say is strictly for "shock value' and nothing more.


I think you are right. Maybe that's why she loves the word "fuck" so much. I remember when I was a kid and the girl down the street started a "swearing club". You couldn't join unless you said at least one swear word in every sentence. She would have fit right in there.




thishereboi -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are HARDLY all the same! (6/29/2011 5:24:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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that a half way logical person would paint all Christians with the same brush?
oh absolutely. you only need one brush for fucking delusional.



And you use that brush each time you speak. But I wouldn't call you fucking delusional. Close minded and bigoted but not delusional.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 5:45:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini


So when you are talking about CHRISTIANS and our beliefs are you really talking all the classes of Christianity or just one or two?

Do you really believe with over 30,000 classes of Christianity from: Catholic......New Thought....African Initiated Churches.......Quakers......... Latter Day Saints, etc. and many that are not even listed here, that a half way logical person would paint all Christians with the same brush?

[sm=angel.gif][sm=angel.gif][sm=angel.gif]


Of course I could be wrong here, as I have not studied all Christian sects but would I go out on a limb if I'd venture the guess that they all believe in Christ?

Now funny that you get in such a twist about being labeled "Christian" and being thrown in with all the other "Christians" when it might not be your particular sect, how do you feel about Muslims labeled Muslims? Last time I talked with a theology professor about it, he said there are about 30 different Islam branches and schools. You feel about as touchy about that?



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 5:50:58 AM)

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plenty of supporting, if not conclusive, evidence is fronted by several spiritual approaches in support of their take on this.
well then perhaps you'd be so kind as to provide a fucking example or two of this supporting evidence.



farglebargle -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 6:05:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Plurality of the Divine is a fucking joke.

If you think the First Commandment is such a fucking joke, why did you quote it? [:D]

K.


The first commandment is a PROHIBITION on Plurality of the Divine. There is ONE G-d.






HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 6:20:24 AM)

no it isn't, its a statement of the claim to primacy of the god giving the fucking commandments. in fact plurality is pretty much specified in the wording. if there is only one god, then why would he need a fucking commandment against placing other gods <note that the word is plural> above him.

the wording is the same in the greek and the hebrew, so its pretty fucking clear what the meaning is.



farglebargle -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 6:38:10 AM)

The DIVINE is a singular essence. All them other gods didn't create The Heaven and Earth, so fuck them. They are, like Jesus and the "Holy Spirit" fucking jokes which the gullible fell for. Belief in Jesus is the same as belief in Santa Claus.

There is nothing magical about the crackers unless they're dipped in LSD. ( although I've read that there are some species of rye fungus which can be entertaining -- so maybe if the cracker is moldy or something.... )

Baruch atah A-donay, Elo-heinu Melech Ha’Olam borei pri ha-adamah.

"Blessed are You, L-rd our G-d, King of the universe who creates the fruit of the earth."



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 6:50:11 AM)

none of that fucking shit is in the commandments. his only fucking claim to fame there is that he brought the poor fuckers out of bondage in egypt.

hotsetikha asher 'eloheykha adonai 'anokhi avadim mibeit mitzrayim maertz 'alpanai 'acherim 'elohim yihyehlekha lo'
"brought you out who your god adonai i am from the house of bondage from the land of egypt before me other gods you shall have not"



Musicmystery -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 7:09:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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plenty of supporting, if not conclusive, evidence is fronted by several spiritual approaches in support of their take on this.
well then perhaps you'd be so kind as to provide a fucking example or two of this supporting evidence.

They didn't teach philosophy at your school?



Marini -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 7:10:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Hanna, most of what you say is strictly for "shock value' and nothing more.


I think you are right. Maybe that's why she loves the word "fuck" so much. I remember when I was a kid and the girl down the street started a "swearing club". You couldn't join unless you said at least one swear word in every sentence. She would have fit right in there.




[sm=agree.gif]

I used to curse a lot more when I was younger, do you think Hannah will still curse like this in 40 years?
Can you imagine Hannah as a hospital patient?



Marini -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 7:12:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: Marini

So when you are talking about CHRISTIANS and our beliefs are you really talking all the classes of Christianity or just one or two?

Do you really believe with over 30,000 classes of Christianity from: Catholic......New Thought....African Initiated Churches.......Quakers......... Latter Day Saints, etc. and many that are not even listed here, that a half way logical person would paint all Christians with the same brush?

[sm=angel.gif][sm=angel.gif][sm=angel.gif]


Of course I could be wrong here, as I have not studied all Christian sects but would I go out on a limb if I'd venture the guess that they all believe in Christ?

Now funny that you get in such a twist about being labeled "Christian" and being thrown in with all the other "Christians" when it might not be your particular sect, how do you feel about Muslims labeled Muslims? Last time I talked with a theology professor about it, he said there are about 30 different Islam branches and schools. You feel about as touchy about that?



I thought this was a fun topic, every thread isn't started because people are "touchy".
I do think there is a big difference between:

New Age Christians, Quakers, Catholics and African Initiated Churches.

Also, every thread is not started with the purpose of everyone agreeing on the topic, most threads are started for the sake of discussion, especially in the Politics and Religion section.

Peace



Fightdirecto -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 7:19:30 AM)

After reading the various posts by HannahLynHeather, I find she matches with great exactitude the definition of "Fundamentalist Atheist" which I quoted on Page 2 of this thread:

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The parallels with religious fundamentalism are obvious and startling: the conviction that they are in sole possession of truth (scientific or otherwise), the troubling lack of tolerance for the views of their critics, the simplistic reductionism of the religious phenomenon, and, perhaps most bizarrely, their overwhelming sense of siege: the belief that they have been oppressed and marginalized by Western societies.


The late astronomer and atheist Carl Sagan once wrote:
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The chief deficiency I see in the atheist movement is its polarization: Us vs. Them - the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you're sensible, you'll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status."


Sounds like Carl Sagan was describing HannahLynHeather quite well. She reads like the Pat Robertson/James Hagee/televangelist version of an atheist.



Marini -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 7:30:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

After reading the various posts by HannahLynHeather, I find she matches with great exactitude the definition of "Fundamentalist Atheist" which I quoted on Page 2 of this thread:

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The parallels with religious fundamentalism are obvious and startling: the conviction that they are in sole possession of truth (scientific or otherwise), the troubling lack of tolerance for the views of their critics, the simplistic reductionism of the religious phenomenon, and, perhaps most bizarrely, their overwhelming sense of siege: the belief that they have been oppressed and marginalized by Western societies.


The late astronomer and atheist Carl Sagan once wrote:
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The chief deficiency I see in the atheist movement is its polarization: Us vs. Them - the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you're sensible, you'll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status."


Sounds like Carl Sagan was describing HannahLynHeather quite well. She reads like the Pat Robertson/James Hagee/televangelist version of an atheist.


I see your point.
In my world, I see her in category similar to the phenoma known as the "shock-jock" genre type of personality.
I work with young people and using a lot of curse words is supposed to be shocking and a very big deal.

It really rattles many peoples cages, but it takes more than a person who enjoys using a slew of curse words to rattle my cage.

If anything she makes me laugh.
Peace



DecadentDesire -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christians are not all the same (6/29/2011 7:32:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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The parallels with religious fundamentalism are obvious and startling: the conviction that they are in sole possession of truth (scientific or otherwise), the troubling lack of tolerance for the views of their critics, the simplistic reductionism of the philosophical and scientific arguments about God, and, perhaps most bizarrely, their overwhelming sense of siege: the belief that they have been oppressed and marginalized by Western societies.



I find Fundamental Atheists to be fascinating, because with a few simple word edits to the definition you presented above, you get a zealous Fundamental Christian, the very person they often claim to despise and the source of the intolerance and persecution they are forced to endure.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians are not one size fits all! (6/29/2011 8:24:08 AM)

can't fucking answer a question can you?

just go away musicmystery, you got nothing, sweet fuck all. you're just empty pretension.



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