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Should the US have a VAT tax?

Yes

33% (14)

64% (27)

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2% (1)

Total Votes : 42

(last vote on : 9/25/2011 5:48:07 PM)
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Politesub53 -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:02:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway I will tell you how it works. Paying works $35.00 per hour to shovel asphalt is insane. Are we receiving what we are being taxed for? No. We are also being taxed to support an illegal population that is larger than the total population of some countries, is that fair? No. We are also being taxed for incursions into countries where we do not have a vital national interest at stake. Is that fair? No. We are also being taxed to provide HUD housing, food stamps, utility credits, free bus passes and more for a population in this country that does not work, not even donning uniforms and picking up trash. Is that fair? No. We pay lifetime pensions for people that worked 25 years. Is that fair? No. (Debate it all you like but 25 years of service should result in 25 years of pension. Or perhaps there should be no pensions and only matching 401k's. It is not my intention to cause this thread to jack knife into this tangent.) Look...taxation is used to buy votes. Is that fair? No. We pay taxes in a myriad of different ways. You libs can call for all of the taxation you like but it isn't going to slow down the debt clock that was posted in this thread. In my little city along, there are 60 positions that receive full salaries that could be eliminated. But that won't happen. Nope...we will all continue to pay taxes to support the fraud, the corruption, the nepotism and to indemnify failure just like we have been doing since FDR was president. The only difference now is that we ALL know that the United States is on the brink of financial ruin. Question........ Which state has the highest government subsidies per capita ? I`m not even American but I wasn`t suprised at the answer. Seems to me those who knock taxes the most also gain the most.

Icarys -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:06:06 PM)
This is all sort of ridiculous. The government has rarely cut back on a tax once it's started. It's usually the other way around, they raise it. I, for one, am sick of paying taxes to people who don't know how to balance a budget and are fiscally irresponsible. I don't trust them to do what's right and in my opinion, politics have brought this country to it's knees and may just drag it down for a over a cliff if something doesn't change. We are not impervious to what Rome, Egypt or Russia has went through. Neither is the rest of the world and now that we are tied economically like we've never been before, well it isn't going to be pretty.

Icarys -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:09:43 PM)
Actually it would be interesting to know what the actual percentage we pay in taxes is. There's State, Federal, Social, Sales, Property, Gas, Cigarettes..How many more upfront and hidden are there?

pahunkboy -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Actually it would be interesting to know what the actual percentage we pay in taxes is. There's State, Federal, Social, Sales, Property, Gas, Cigarettes..How many more upfront and hidden are there? You really have to factor in all of it.

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:12:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway I will tell you how it works. Paying works $35.00 per hour to shovel asphalt is insane. Are we receiving what we are being taxed for? No. We are also being taxed to support an illegal population that is larger than the total population of some countries, is that fair? No. We are also being taxed for incursions into countries where we do not have a vital national interest at stake. Is that fair? No. We are also being taxed to provide HUD housing, food stamps, utility credits, free bus passes and more for a population in this country that does not work, not even donning uniforms and picking up trash. Is that fair? No. We pay lifetime pensions for people that worked 25 years. Is that fair? No. (Debate it all you like but 25 years of service should result in 25 years of pension. Or perhaps there should be no pensions and only matching 401k's. It is not my intention to cause this thread to jack knife into this tangent.) Look...taxation is used to buy votes. Is that fair? No. We pay taxes in a myriad of different ways. You libs can call for all of the taxation you like but it isn't going to slow down the debt clock that was posted in this thread. In my little city along, there are 60 positions that receive full salaries that could be eliminated. But that won't happen. Nope...we will all continue to pay taxes to support the fraud, the corruption, the nepotism and to indemnify failure just like we have been doing since FDR was president. The only difference now is that we ALL know that the United States is on the brink of financial ruin. Question........ Which state has the highest government subsidies per capita ? I`m not even American but I wasn`t suprised at the answer. Seems to me those who knock taxes the most also gain the most. What the hell are you getting at? Be specific. Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they? If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money. Isn't that BASIC? If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time. (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right? One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you. Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.) Did you look at the debt clock? Go take a look. No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide. Do you understand what I am saying? You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED. Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands. The military has to be cut. The pension system has to be changed. Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety. Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. Can all of this be done at once? Better question...can any of it be done at all? There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it.

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:14:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Actually it would be interesting to know what the actual percentage we pay in taxes is. There's State, Federal, Social, Sales, Property, Gas, Cigarettes..How many more upfront and hidden are there? You really have to factor in all of it. It is an easy chart to find. Google Federal Taxes enacted since 1965. There are between 30 and 60 of them.

tj444 -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:15:33 PM)
Oh, I am sure it pales in comparision to Bell.. a city manager that was paid twice the US President is. Aint that a hoot, if it werent so friggin sad.. "In this city of fewer than 40,000 — 90 percent Latino, with an income well below the national average — the tiny political class took advantage of the residents' lack of civic engagement to create a slop-filled public trough for elites while cutting services and laying off workers. Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, the public learned that city manager Robert Rizzo was making nearly $800,000, or twice that of the president of the United States, while his deputy was paid $376,000. Police Chief Randy Adams was pulling in $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck." http://www.laweekly.com/2010-07-29/news/city-of-bell-corruption/

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Oh, I am sure it pales in comparision to Bell.. a city manager that was paid twice the US President is. Aint that a hoot, if it werent so friggin sad.. "In this city of fewer than 40,000 — 90 percent Latino, with an income well below the national average — the tiny political class took advantage of the residents' lack of civic engagement to create a slop-filled public trough for elites while cutting services and laying off workers. Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, the public learned that city manager Robert Rizzo was making nearly $800,000, or twice that of the president of the United States, while his deputy was paid $376,000. Police Chief Randy Adams was pulling in $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck." http://www.laweekly.com/2010-07-29/news/city-of-bell-corruption/ I remember that story. We have the same thing in NJ. Cops making $250,000.00 per year...corrections officers too. There was a school that built an addition to the school and had the addition named as a new school district so they could get a principal and vice principal and all the usual suspects.

pahunkboy -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:20:01 PM)
My city just put new street light in- which are the wrong size- too big and lights up the river at nice like a car dealership.

Politesub53 -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:20:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway What the hell are you getting at? Be specific. Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they? If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money. Isn't that BASIC? If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time. (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right? One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you. Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.) Did you look at the debt clock? Go take a look. No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide. Do you understand what I am saying? You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED. Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands. The military has to be cut. The pension system has to be changed. Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety. Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. Can all of this be done at once? Better question...can any of it be done at all? There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it. I was specific but it obviously passed you by. Those in Alaska, who moan about government spending, gain most from government spending. Many republicans moan about the very thing that subsidises the hunting/shooting/fishing way of life. The taxes pay for the infrastructure that makes this possible. So another question for you, if you didnt pay any tax, would you be prepared to build the roads you drive on. Especially if you didnt even get $35 an hour for shovelling the millions of tons of ashphalt needed. Was this specific enough for you ?

Icarys -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:20:25 PM)
quote: Google Federal Taxes enacted since 1965. There are between 30 and 60 of them. I'm looking but don't see it.

pahunkboy -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway What the hell are you getting at? Be specific. Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they? If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money. Isn't that BASIC? If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time. (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right? One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you. Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.) Did you look at the debt clock? Go take a look. No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide. Do you understand what I am saying? You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED. Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands. The military has to be cut. The pension system has to be changed. Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety. Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. Can all of this be done at once? Better question...can any of it be done at all? There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it. I was specific but it obviously passed you by. Those in Alaska, who moan about government spending, gain most from government spending. Many republicans moan about the very thing that subsidises the hunting/shooting/fishing way of life. The taxes pay for the infrastructure that makes this possible. So another question for you, if you didnt pay any tax, would you be prepared to build the roads you drive on. Especially if you didnt even get $35 an hour for shovelling the millions of tons of ashphalt needed. Was this specific enough for you ? We already have road taxes. gas, fees, and tolls.

Icarys -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:26:14 PM)
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/history-of-taxes.html Interesting read.

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:26:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway What the hell are you getting at? Be specific. Look...anyone who knocks taxes is going to gain in their reduction, aren't they? If we reduce taxes, those of us who pay taxes will have more money. Isn't that BASIC? If we do a flat tax and a federal income tax, SCORES OF MILLIONS of people in the U.S. will pay for the first time. (I know...some nitwit is going to say "Not for the first time, they pay taxes on gasoline and that goes to the federal government. Right? One of you airheads was thinking that VERY thing, weren't you. Well...you do nothing to advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.) Did you look at the debt clock? Go take a look. No tax increase is going to stem that destructive tide. Do you understand what I am saying? You want to address the skyrocketing increase per minute, services have to be ELIMINATED. Government jobs have to be eliminated by the 100's of thousands. The military has to be cut. The pension system has to be changed. Welfare has to become workfare or it has to end in its entirety. Meanwhile, incentives have to be given to create jobs and court manufacturing back to the country. Can all of this be done at once? Better question...can any of it be done at all? There is something called the tipping point and I think a great many of us will agree that we have reached it. I was specific but it obviously passed you by. Those in Alaska, who moan about government spending, gain most from government spending. Many republicans moan about the very thing that subsidises the hunting/shooting/fishing way of life. The taxes pay for the infrastructure that makes this possible. So another question for you, if you didnt pay any tax, would you be prepared to build the roads you drive on. Especially if you didnt even get $35 an hour for shovelling the millions of tons of ashphalt needed. Was this specific enough for you ? Oh yeah...now I really think your dumb. Thanks for clearing that up for me. NO ONE said there should be no taxes, got that, bright boy? Don't talk to me about subsidizing hunting and fishing and how that is such a huge part of America's almost 15 Trillion national debt and such a huge chunk of America's total debt that exceeds 54 trillion. OK??? Read my posts again. Look at the debt clock. Read PA's posts again. Read Icarys' posts again and Tj's. OK...genius? No one said there should be no taxes but WE HAVE SAID that 35 million illegals shouldn't get free health care. Got it? WE HAVE SAID that we are not getting the value for our tax dollar. WE HAVE SAID that our government has grown in size and corruption. WE HAVE SAID that we shouldn't be globe trotting for whatever reason without a vital, national interest at stake. You want to talk about hunting??? You don't advance the conversation by miring it down in minutia.

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:28:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Google Federal Taxes enacted since 1965. There are between 30 and 60 of them. I'm looking but don't see it. I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it.

Icarys -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:32:53 PM)
quote: I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it. Alright, thanks. I did find a larger list someone did on yahoo lol. It's a lot but I don't think it's all of them. [:D] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100329131218AAGxXLc

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:34:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it. Alright, thanks. I did find a larger list someone did on yahoo lol. It's a lot but I don't think it's all of them. [:D] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100329131218AAGxXLc Wow....great site! That is pretty hellish.

lockedaway -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:36:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: I can't find it either. I had it. I printed it out and sent it to people. I will post the link if I find it. Alright, thanks. I did find a larger list someone did on yahoo lol. It's a lot but I don't think it's all of them. [:D] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100329131218AAGxXLc You should sent that to Joether and SlaveMike4u. Neither one is bright enough to understand it but they should receive it anyway.

Icarys -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:41:34 PM)
61,320,000,000.00 That's roughly the amount that the one gas tax pulls in at one year. (If my base figures are correct!) That's a single tax.

Owner59 -> RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? (7/7/2011 6:52:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys 61,320,000,000.00 That's roughly the amount that the one gas tax pulls in at one year. (If my base figures are correct!) That's a single tax. And we should build/repair our highways/roadways with what? Fairy money?

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