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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 12:26:13 PM   
LadyRedRose


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Status: offline 		i'll throw my two cents in, just as food for thought. i'm not necessarily a christian, i am spiritual with some christian beliefs, just to clarify my own position on the matter.

donna simpson is nuts. she deserves the help the psych community can give her and the chance to make the choice to fix her life. if she chooses not to, then it's her decision, let her slowly commit sucide in the name of fame. the choice is hers to make. however, the man who murdered and hacked up the little boy had choices to make as well. he could choose to go for help when he found himself desiring to commit this kind of crime. he knew it was wrong, he didn't hide his crime, he willingly submitted to a search and subsequent arrest. he chose to ignore the possibility of reaching out for help, he chose to commit the crime, he chose a victim, he chose to kill him. he could have made other choices at each step and not done the things he did, but he didn't. he chose the path that will lead to the death penalty, god willing, and i'd be happy to flip the switch to start the lethal injection.

many so called christians have made the statement that it's wrong to enforce the death penalty, it's not the christian thing to do. if you believe in god then the idea that some people are created to teach certain lessons simply by their existence should not be too hard to contemplate. some christians believe the disabled are here to teach us lessons in humility as the same could have happened to us, compassion, sympathy, courage in their determination to live despite the challenges, perserverence, the preciousness of the gift of life and unconditional love. spend 20 yrs raising a disabled child and you will learn many things like this. i am not the person i was before his birth. given that example of the existence of people "sent" to remind us of christian values, is it so hard to make the leap to the idea that some people are "created" with the potential to teach us what is evil? one might say that this person would be deserving of christian treatment, but how far does that treatment extend? does a person who is clearly a danger to us all deserving of that kind of coddling when if given the chance they would kill again? are manson, dahmer, gacey, bundy all deserving of a life of relative comfort and ease? most of them are dead thankfully, but are others of their ilk deserving of life and protection? maybe people like that exist to teach us that there are limits to our compassion, for the betterment and safety of our society. just as they believe in the love of god and punishment dealt out by god, shouldn't they believe that we should have the same on earth for the evil?

just a thought.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 12:53:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know I'm a newbie and should keep quiet but this thread is actually really interesting...if a little focused on the extreme end of the spectrum.

I'm probably in the minority here but I do have sympathy for the bloke who, what was it, killed a child and tried to destroy the body? Not a huge amount but if he has a mental health issue then - like people with "lower intelligence" - he ought not to be treated like an ordinary criminal. I'm heavily skeptical as to those who claim "insanity" since it would seem that their symptoms read like it was written by Bugs Bunny. A guy who murdered his gran whilst he was asleep attempted to do so but it was a woefully pathetic attempt. I'm not a fan of the death penalty anyway but if someone has a mental health issue then you're stepping into a marbled moral maze.

Additionally, there is meant to be some sort of therapy for psychopath/sociopaths which is meant to greatly reduce [repeat or first] offences if discovered early enough in the individual (say in adolescence). I'll need to find that reference but I know that the American Psychological Association Magazine did a special on it a while back. It is one of those things that if found early then it can save lives - of that person and others.

As for the woman eating herself...my gut instinct is to say that she must be so desperate to be remembered that she's forgetting to live. Perhaps someone ought to tell her that. It's a pity, it really is. Also, shouldn't the Guinness World Record folk really fight against this? If people are placing themselves in serious danger for a few minutes of fame then shouldn't they step in and do something? It seems nonsensical to me.

But if you're really talking about "mental health" in terms of particularly brutal murderers, like I said I am skeptical. Even so, a criminally insane unit seems a far more palatable choice to me than bumping people off.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 1:59:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have a former brother in law in the pen for murder, so i have personal experience with the psychopath/sociopath type personality. i'd gladly flip the switch on him too. there are just some people who are well beyond redemption or could possibly have been helped at an early age, like my ex b-i-l, but they refuse the help and reject and the societal norms most of us adhere to in order to coexist. when they pose a danger to all of us, including those they are imprisoned with, where do we say enough is enough?

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 2:05:14 PM   
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i have a former brother in law in the pen for murder, so i have personal experience with the psychopath/sociopath type personality. i'd gladly flip the switch on him too. there are just some people who are well beyond redemption or could possibly have been helped at an early age, like my ex b-i-l, but they refuse the help and reject and the societal norms most of us adhere to in order to coexist. when they pose a danger to all of us, including those they are imprisoned with, where do we say enough is enough?


When do we give up our humanity and flip those switches?

I don't even believe in a god, and I can't help but wonder how some who claim they do are so ready to play god and take lives, maybe belonging to a religious cult gives them the instant knowledge of what is right or wrong and that "though shall not kill" applies to others but not to the executioner? I mean after all it's only somebody doing a job - I seem to remember that this was the excuse of the camp wardens under Hitler, just following orders...

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 2:47:48 PM   
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many so called christians


It's almost laughable, to me, that people invoke the Bible. You can scour the Bible and find a few, pretty ambiguous, instructions about abortion or homosexuality, dotted here and there, amongst warnings about not eating tomatoes during Lent (or some such). Yet, despite the vagueness of these, so many Bible-thumping loons are absolutely, abundantly clear that Christians should shun homosexuality and abortion.

Yet, where it says in the Bible - in the Ten Commandments, no less - "Thou shalt not kill" . . . that's not at all clear. Oh no. Mightily ambiguous, that is. What God probably meant there was was 'Thou shalt not eat krill, like whales', or some such. Likewise, all those apparent injunctions that say being rich is un-Christian? Nah, forget about them. Jesus probably meant "Don't name your newborn son 'Richard'". Of course fat, rich, greedy people can go to heaven. In fact, there's probably an 'Executive Class' Heaven especially for fat, rich greedy people.

I always know when a Bible-thumper is going to talk utter bollocks about morality - his mouth starts to open and close.



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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 3:25:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Erieangel Please show me what 10:1 you are speaking of and the criteria that it is a mandatory subject taught and lawyers and attorneys must believe and practice same to be a lawyer and which states this is mandatory to pass the bar and to practice law.

You seem to be saying a lot of generalizations and the only one speaking to what you have written is you. You don't care if 2.5 people out of 100 equivalent to the 400 prisoners want change they should have it because gee they are prisoners who want change. Yeah I am sure CA will drop everything and put them before the budget crisis the poor and jobless etc

And the fact more death row inmates are black than white. I believe you are wrong more executions of whites but I haven't fully researched same so why don't you post your information as to your statement until I can look into it. The website I have quickly scanned says different. Deathpenaltyinfo.org and just glancing at Alabama doc it currently has 97 black men and 98 white men. And 1black woman and 3 white. So I am curious to see the info you come up with.

It's interesting you can throw out that more blacks are executed but wonder if you know the color of the victims as much as you do those convicted.

It's also interesting you just blow off the victims of repeat offenders and technicality released who go on to kill again. So are they less because they weren't put to death after being convicted of a crime even if innocent. There is a lot more than 10:1 victims ratio of repeat offenders. Why are the 120 people in thirty years more important than the 1000s of innocents killed by people set free.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 3:48:40 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Ok peon maybe this question will help- who is defining it as murder are you speaking legally or officially or you and others call it murder? This may clear up a little what you are saying. You are just throwing the word murder around and I don't know where you got that word to use with regard to hitler.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 4:32:45 PM   
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The question that arises for me is this: if it could be shown that a) the level of murders dropped substantially in society as a whole as a result of removing the death sentence, and b) that crime in general, including recidivism, dropped a great deal too - would you say "Yes, I'd like to give this non-punitive, non-retributive attitude a try. I'd still want to see killed anyone who kills one of my loved ones, but I'll stifle that impulse for the good of society as a whole'?


If that could be demonstrated, i would change my opinion on the death penalty.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 4:42:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyRedRose

i have a former brother in law in the pen for murder, so i have personal experience with the psychopath/sociopath type personality. i'd gladly flip the switch on him too. there are just some people who are well beyond redemption or could possibly have been helped at an early age, like my ex b-i-l, but they refuse the help and reject and the societal norms most of us adhere to in order to coexist. when they pose a danger to all of us, including those they are imprisoned with, where do we say enough is enough?


Correct me if I'm wrong but you would kill someone who killed someone but feel superior to them because you have a different personality in your opinion? And some dude in a wig said it was fine?

I'm aware I may be misinterpreting, of course.

Can I just say one thing though? You cannot judge someone who refuses help when they do not consider themselves sick. It's a classic symptom in many parts of mental health.

I don't see what good it does any of us to simply bump off people who could have been helped. Surely prevention is far more in everyone's interests than simply killing off people who we consider as a society evil?

Particularly if, like me, you don't see death as this big bad thing. To use it as a punishment is frankly bizarre to me. But then again, I doubt that many people follow that philosophy...

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 5:15:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		this guy came out of the box evil. he would drown animals as a child or drag them around behind his mom's car in a sack, listening to them scream and laugh while they suffered and died. he loved to brag about how many assault charges he had on his juvenile record. he used to beat his mother up from the age of seven on. when he was finally arrested for beating a disabled man to death for a few dollars his own mother finally felt free enough to move out of state, she wasn't living in fear anymore. he threatened the lives of my sister, his own daughters and our extended family and threatened to get into the nursery at the hospital where my newborn son was being treated and pull the plug. yes i'd gladly flip the switch and smile while looking him in the eye as i did it. if he dies before i do i'm going to go piss on his grave. and normally i'm such a sweet tempered gentle person. for him i make an exception.

ETA-these are just examples of things he did that i can publish, this doesn't include some of the more sinister things he did. things no human being would tolerate. if i had been made aware of them at the time i would have personally put a bullet through his head back then. my sister and nieces went through hell.


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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 5:29:10 PM   
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LP, I'll leave aside the ethical arguments on that point about 'an eye for an eye' versus 'two wrongs don't make a right', and so forth.

Hi peon.  Do you mind if I break this in sections to make it a bit easier for Me?  Thanks.

I appreciate you leaving those arguments out.  My comment had nothing to do with an eye for an eye.  We could probably talk about is it really two wrongs.  Is self defense or the defense of those who can't defend themselves wrong?  That's probably a much better question for somebody who feels a bit differently about protecting people than I do.

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For me, the most telling comments on this thread were made by Aswad. The Scandinavian experience is vastly different from the US experience and, re the penal system aside from the matter of capital punishment, pretty different to the UK experience as well.

I think I'd like to read those again before commenting too much.  They are vastly different systems and there's a lot to consider.

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Two really fundamental points stand out, for me.

One is that the best policy for an individual isn't the same thing as the best policy for a whole society.

In My scenario, the room was a smaller version of society.  In My mind, the society was better off with the threat to another being removed.

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The second is that violence breeds violence and civilised treatment breeds civilised behaviour. One corollary of that could that, yes, of course, if you put to death a murderer, obviously he can't murder again. But, if stop putting people to death, far fewer in society as a whole will get murdered.

The problem is, we don't know this.  We can't say how many potential victims are out there when murderers aren't stopped.  One example on this thread was a criminal that had fifty young people that he had killed by his actions.  Had that man been caught and put to death after he killed the first, forty-nine would still be alive today.  That's just one case.  We can't know where the numbers lie because there is no way to know the potential outcomes.

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In a nutshell, it's such thoughts and beliefs that make me say, "Yes, I'd understand your desire that the man who murdered your partner ends up dying for it himself. I'd feel the same way. But I can't condone it because it isn't best for society as a whole. It's an understandable - a very understandable - thing, but it's not the right thing."

The problem here is we are talking about two different concepts.  Is it justice?  Yes, I'd probably say that it was.  Some would call it revenge, but I wouldn't.  Honestly, My heart lies with the victim's family on that one.

However, I'm actually talking about prevention.  Perhaps My instinct on such just don't weigh up against moral and ethical consideration, and I'm even ok with that, too.  I know, in Myself, that I would kill to protect or prevent the death of a defenseless, innocent person.  Probably not pretty, and I'm certainly not helping one side of the debate, but that's the truth.

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The question that arises for me is this: if it could be shown that a) the level of murders dropped substantially in society as a whole as a result of removing the death sentence, and b) that crime in general, including recidivism, dropped a great deal too - would you say "Yes, I'd like to give this non-punitive, non-retributive attitude a try. I'd still want to see killed anyone who kills one of my loved ones, but I'll stifle that impulse for the good of society as a whole'?

Whether we discuss capital punishment or literally locking someone up for the rest of their days and they die a natural death in prison, you have to look at potentials.  The person who is put to death can never take another life.  The person who loses his freedom for life, it's not a guarantee.  Even if he never gets out of jail, does that mean that another prisoner or even a guard won't die by his hand?  At that point, when you know that prison is the worst that can ever happen, what do you have to loose? 


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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:07:44 PM   
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Yet, where it says in the Bible - in the Ten Commandments, no less - "Thou shalt not kill" . . . that's not at all clear. Oh no. Mightily ambiguous, that is.

Before you start basing your snarks on the Bible, it would help to know what you're talking about.

It is forbidden to murder, as it says "You shall not murder". A murderer must be put to death, as it says "He shall be avenged"; it is forbidden to accept compensation from him instead, as it says "You shall not take redemption for the life of a murderer...; and there shall be no atonement for the blood that was spilled... except the blood of him that spilled it". It is forbidden to execute a murderer before he has stood trial, as it says "And the murderer shall not die until he stands before the congregation for judgment". However, we are commanded to prevent an attempted murder by killing the would-be murderer if necessary... It is forbidden to refrain from saving life when it is in one's power to do so, as it says "You shall not stand on your friend's blood."

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:21:11 PM   
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The person who loses his freedom for life, it's not a guarantee.  Even if he never gets out of jail, does that mean that another prisoner or even a guard won't die by his hand?  At that point, when you know that prison is the worst that can ever happen, what do you have to loose? 

Here you go, LP. The list is older, but I think it gets the point across. Note the number of escapes listed:
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John McRae -- Michigan/Florida. Life for murder of 8-year-old boy. Pedophile. Paroled 1971. Convicted of another murder of a boy after parole, in Michigan 1998. Charges pending on 2 other counts in Florida.
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John Miller -- California. Killed an infant 1957, convicted of murder, 1958. Paroled 1975. Killed his parents 1975. Life term 1975.
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Michael Lawrence -- Florida. Killed robbery victim. Life term, 1976. Paroled 1985. Killed robbery victim. Condemned 1990.
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Donald Dillbeck -- Florida. Killed policeman in 1979. Escaped from prison in 1990, kidnapped and killed female motorist after escape. Condemned 1991.
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Edward Kennedy -- Florida. Killed motel clerk. Sentenced to Life. Escaped 1981. Killed policeman and male civilian after prison break. Executed 1992.
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Dawud Mu'Min -- Virginia. Killed cab driver in holdup. Sentenced 1973. Escaped 1988. Raped/killed woman 1988. Condemned 1989. Executed 1997.
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Viva Nash -- Utah/Arizona. Two terms of life for murder in Utah, 1978. Escaped in 1982. Murdered again. Condemned in Arizona, 1983.
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Randy Greenawalt -- Escaped from Prison in 1978, while serving a life sentence for a 1974 murder. He then murdered a family of 4 people, shotgunning them to death, including a toddler.
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Norman Parker -- Florida/D.C. Life term in Florida for murder, 1966. Escaped 1978. Life on another count of murder in 1979.
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Winford Stokes -- Missouri. Ruled insane on two counts of murder 1969. Escaped from asylum, 1978. Murdered again. Executed for this murder, 1990.
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Charles Crawford -- Missouri. Life term in 1965 for murder. Paroled 1990. Convicted of murder again in 1994.
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Jack Ferrell -- Florida. Committed Murdered 1981. 15 years to life, 1982. Paroled 1987. Murdered again 1992. Condemned 1993.
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Timothy Buss -- Murdered five-year-old girl. Sentenced to 25 years in 1981. Paroled 1993. Murdered 10-year-old boy. Condemned 1996.
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Martsay Bolder -- Missouri. Serving a sentence of life for first-degree murder in 1973. Murdered prison cellmate 1979.
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Henry Brisbon, Illinois. Murdered 2 in robbery. Sentenced to 1000- 3000 years. Killed inmate in prison 1982. Sentenced to DP. Commuted by Governor Ryan.
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Randolph Dial -- Oklahoma. Life for murder 1986. Escaped from prison with deputy warden's wife as kidnap victim. 1989. Still at large. Warden's wife never found.
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Arthur J. Bomar, Jr. -- released from prison in Nevada on parole in 1990. Bomar had served 11 years of a murder sentence for killing a man over an argument about a parking space. Six years later in Pennsylvania, Bomar brutally kidnapped, raped and murdered George Mason University star athlete Aimee Willard.
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Dwain Little -- Oregon. Raped/Stabbed 16-year-old girl. Life term 1966. Paroled 1974. Returned as Parole Violator 1975. Again Released 1977. Then shot family of 4. Three consecutive life terms for rape and murder 1980.
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Arthur Shawcross (The 'Monster of the Rivers') -- Released after serving a 25 year sentence for a child murder, turned to murdering prostitutes. At least 10 in all. Now serving ten consecutive sentences of 25 years to life - 250 years in all.
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Samuel D. Smith -- in prison for murdering Zita Casey, 79, during a burglary in St. Louis in 1978. While in prison he murdered another inmate, Marlin May, during a knife fight in 1987 in prison.
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Darrell P. Pandeli -- After being released from prison after a conviction for murder, Pandeli murdered a prostitute, cut off her nipples and flushed them down the toilet. Now on DR in Arizona for that second recidivist murder.
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Chad Allen Lee -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Released and went on murder spree. Murdering Linda Reynolds, a pizza delivery person, and 9 days later robbed and murdered David Lacey, a taxi cab driver. Lee then robbed a mini-market 7 days after than. Shooting the owner, Harold Drury, multiple times without reason.
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Scott Lehr -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release, between Feb 91 and Feb 92 lured 10 different female victims, between the ages of 10 and 48-years-old, into his car. Raping and beating them unconscious, stripped and adandoned them in the desert. Three of his victims died in those acts.
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James Erin McKinney -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. Then murdered Christine Mertens in a home invasion robbery. Later murdered James McClain in another separate home invasion robbery.
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Michael Murdaugh -- Convicted of capital murder. Sentenced to other than death. Later released. After release murdered David Reynolds. Beating him to death. When 'dumping' the body, Murdaugh severed Reynold's head and hands, pulled out his teeth, and buried the body parts.
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Charles Daniels -- was convicted and sentenced to Life for the 1965 rape and murder of a Louisiana woman. Later having his sentence commuted, he was release. And he again killed another woman, 32-year-old Debbie Tatum.
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Jarmarr Arnold -- who, while on DR, murdered another DR inmate by stabbing him in the forehead with a sharpen spike. Proving that not even a death sentence can prevent murder until the sentence is carried out.
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Robert Lee Massie -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman, which resulted in him committing further new murders.
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Kenneth McDuff - Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released, and murdered as many as 19 young women after his release. Finally executed in 1998 for the murder of Melissa Ann Northrup see ... Who once remarked "Killing a woman is like killing a chicken. They both squawk."
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Darryl Kemp -- Sentenced to the DP, but overturned by Furman. Subsequently released. Authorities now say he raped and strangled a woman jogging, less than 4 months later.
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Timothy Hancock -- Serving a life sentence for a murder he committed in 1990, murdered his cellmate, Jason Wagner, in November 2000, while serving his life sentence.
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Howard Allen -- murdered an elderly woman.. Opal Cooper, in Aug 1974, and was sentenced to 21 years in prison. By January 1985, less than ten years after being incarcerated, Howard Allen was released. On May 20, 1987 Howard Allen broke into the home of eighty-seven year old Laverne Hale, and savagely beat her to death. Six weeks later Allen struck again. On July 13, 1987 Howard Allen knocked on the door of Ernestine Griffin. At lunchtime the following day she was found murdered. On June 11, 1988 Allen was found guilty was found guilty of Ernestine’s murder.
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Melvin Geary -- originally sentenced to L wop, for the stabbing death of a woman in 1973 with a boning knife. Changed to Life.. released... After his release, Geary was subsequently convicted of murdering 71-year-old Edward Colvin of Sparks, again with a boning knife after Colvin took him in.
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William Coday Jr. -- convicted of murdering 19-year-old Lisa Hullinger in September 1978. After spending just 15 months in a German prison, he was released. In April 2002, he was convicted of having murdered Gloria Gomez on 13 July, 1997.
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Corey R. Barton -- In 1983 he murdered 16-year-old Shari-Ann Merton. He received 18 years in prison. He was released after serving 9 years and 8 months. In November 1998, he murdered 27 year-old Sally Harris of North Carolina.
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Cuhuatemoc Hinricky Peraita -- Rainbow City, Alabama, who was serving life without parole for 3 murders in Gadsden, Alabama was found guilty of capital murder for murdering a fellow inmate.
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James Prestridge -- Sentenced to L wop, for murdering Esfandiar Ateighechi, as he begged for his life in 1989. Escaped from prison along with John Doran. After their escape Prestridge murdered his fellow-escapee John Doran, shooting him in the back of the head.
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Jimmy Lee Gray -- who was free on parole from an Arizona conviction for killing a 16-year-old high school girl, kidnapped, sodomized, and suffocated a three-year-old Mississippi girl.
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Jack Henry Abbott, who had murdered a fellow prison inmate, was released early from a Utah prison. On July 18, 1981, six-weeks after his release, Abbott stabbed actor Richard Adan to death in New York.
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Benny Lee Chaffin, on December 7, 1984 kidnapped, raped, and murdered a 9-year-old Springfield, Oregon girl. He had been convicted of murder once before in Texas, but not executed.
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Thomas Eugene Creech, who had been convicted of three murders and had claimed a role in more than 40 killings in 13 states as a paid killer for a motorcycle gang, killed a fellow prison inmate in 1981 and was sentenced to death.
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Wayne Henry Garrison, 42, was convicted of 1st-degree murder in the death of Justin Wiles 13, of Tulsa. As a teenager, Garrison had killed two children in Tulsa. Police earlier said the circumstances of those killings were similar to Justin's death.
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Tommy Arthur -- sentenced to die in Alabama's electric chair for killing Troy Wicker in a 1982 murder for-hire scheme in Muscle Shoals. Arthur had already been convicted in 1977 of killing the sister of his common-law wife. He had been sentenced to life for that murder.
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Robert Lynn Pruett -- a convicted killer already serving a life sentence, fatally stabbed prison guard Daniel Nagle with a sharpened rod while patrolling the Texas Department of Criminal Justice McConnell Unit near Beeville in South Texas. It was the first fatal attack on a Texas corrections officer since guard Minnie Houston was stabbed to death in 1984 by an inmate at the Ellis Unit near Huntsville, a prison official said.
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Miguel Salas Rodriguez -- charged in the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Sgt. David M. Furrh, 40, in Dec 2000. Rodriguez had a December 1973 conviction of homicide without malice, for which he was sentenced to five years in prison. And yet ANOTHER conviction for murder in April 1979, for which he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Rodriguez was paroled in October 1989.
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Bennie Demps --condemned to the DP for the 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis, a prison snitch. Originally, Demps was sent to death row for the murders of R.N. Brinkworth and Celia Puhlick, who were fatally shot in a Lake County citrus grove. A year after Demps was sent to death row, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out capital punishment across the country, ruling death sentences had been imposed in an arbitrary way. Another failure of the Furman-commuted murderers.
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Leroy Schmitz -- convicted of strangling his live-in girlfriend in 1986, during an argument. He was sentenced to 18-20 years for that homicide. He was later convicted of murdering his wife, in Whitefish, Montana in 1999.
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Vernon Sattiewhite -- In 1977, Sattiewhite had been sentenced to five years for a murder but was paroled two years later and granted clemency. In 1984, he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to two years in prison but was paroled after less than six months. Soon after he murdered his ex-girlfriend, Sandra Sorrell.
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Tomas G. Ervin -- Sentenced to death in 1990, after conviction of the December 1988 murders of Mildred L. Hodges, 75, and her son, Richard E. Hodges. Bert Hunter, who was arrested along with Ervin pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder charges. Hunter and Ervin had met in the Missouri State Penitentiary, where they were both serving life sentences for previous murders.
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William Michael "Billy the Kid" Mason -- killed his wife three weeks after he was paroled on another murder conviction.
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Daniel Joe Hittle -- convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death for murdering a police officer Hittle, 40, was described by witnesses as a man who gleefully killed or tortured animals and who routinely beat women and children. He was on parole for the killings of his adoptive parents in Minnesota when he shot Garland police officer Gerald Walker during a traffic stop. Hittle then sped to East Dallas, where he fatally shot Mary Alice Goss, 39; Richard Joseph Cook Jr., 36; Raymond Scott Gregg, 19; and Goss' 4-year-old daughter Christy Condon.
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Tony Walker -- Texas. Convicted of murder in 1978. Sentenced to 5 years. Murdered a 66 year-old woman and her 81 year-old husband in 1992. Jerome Butler -- Found guilty of the shooting of cab driver Nathan Oakley, 67. Oakley had been a Houston cab driver for 30 years. Butler had an extensive criminal history, including a 1959 conviction on two counts of robbery and assault in New York City. Butler had previously served about 10 years of a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to the murder of A.C. Johnson, 69.
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Dalton Prejean -- killed a taxi driver when he was 14, . When he was 17, he gunned down a state trooper in Lafayette, Louisiana. Despite protests from the American Civil Liberties Union and other abolitionist groups, Prejean was executed for the second murder on May 18, 1990.
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Phillip Jablonski -- Carol Spadoni married Jablonski on June 16, 1982, while he was serving a prison sentence for the 1979 murder of his third wife, Melinda Kimball. After she became his pen-pal correspondent in prison. Jablonski murdered his prison pen-pal wife and her mother. And the day before those murders he had murdered Fathyma Vann, 38, in Indio, about 25 miles from Palm Springs, Vann was found shot and sexually mutilated in the desert with ``I love Jesus'' carved in her back." Now GET THIS -- See... It seems that Phillip Jablonski, now in prison after ALL those murders, placed an ad for a pen-pal -- "Jewish Death Row inmate, white, 51 years old, seeking understanding and open female or male for honest correspondence. Amateur poet, artist. Will answer all correspondence received. PHILLIP JABLONSKI, C-02477/SE95, San Quentin, CA 94974"
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Jerry Michael Ward -- Originally sentenced to die in the electric chair, for committing murder with malice in the rape and murder of a Houston school girl. His sentence was commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty in 1972. Although the death penalty was reinstated, the sentence was not. He was subsequently paroled in 1984 after serving 18 years in prison. He was the number one suspect in two new cases, involving the the disappearance of Connie Sue Cooke, and the murder of Brenda Maureen Hackett. But althought police were on the verge of arresting him, Ward committed suicide in a self-inflicted execution.
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David E. Maust -- Hammond, Illinois. Murdered a 15-year-old boy in 1981. After released murdered three teenage boys, in circumstances similiar to John Wayne Gacy... burying their bodies in concrete in his basement.
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James Homer Elledge -- sent to prison for life in 1975 after beating a Seattle motel owner to death with a ball-peen hammer. In the years that followed, he won parole 3 times, most recently in August 1995. prosecutors have now charged Elledge with 1st-degree murder for allegedly stabbing and strangling Eloise Jane Fitzner, 47, in a church basement.
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Zeno E. Sims -- sent to prison for eight years for the murder of a 24-year-old-man. Released on parole, in Kansas City, he then murdered DeAntreia L Ashley, a 15-year-old-girl, after a minor traffic accident.
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Arthur James Julius -- convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1978, he was given a brief leave from prison, during which he raped and murdered a cousin. He was sentenced to death for that crime and was executed on November 17, 1989.
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In March 1979, a Graterford (Pa.) prison guard was murdered brutally by an inmate. The inmate -- at the time he murdered the guard -- already was serving a life sentence for the triple murder of two infants and an elderly woman.
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In 1994, an inmate who already was serving two life sentences in the Philadelphia Industrial Correctional Center was sentenced to three more after he was convicted of stabbing three prison guards.
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In 1995, two death-row inmates at the Florida State Prison in Starke were killed by their fellow inmates.
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In 1999, a Beeville (Texas) prison guard was killed by an inmate already serving a sentence for murder.
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On November 9, 1983 Associate U.S. Attorney General D. Lowell Jensen told a Senate subcommittee that it is impossible to punish or even deter such prison murders because, without a death sentence, a violent life-termer has free rein "to continue to murder as opportunity and his perverse motives dictate."
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On October 22, 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two prison guards were murdered in two SEPARATE instances by SEPARATE inmates who were both serving life terms for previously murdering inmates.


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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:26:21 PM   
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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:27:45 PM   
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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:30:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not very religious but doesn't the bible sanction capital punishment to the point that Jesus was actually executed in a captial punishment concept?  Didn't much of the bible speak of killing people for crimes much less in my eyes than taking the life of another in an unlawful manner?

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:36:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have that up somewhere around page six.  I probably did a crap job of it, so if somebody would like to improve on it, I hope they will be My guest.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:38:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry LP, my brain is bleeding from reading a brief from hell, was that in response to my question about Jesus being executed in a capital punishment concept and people being killed as a consequence of their crimes?

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:52:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Didn't much of the bible speak of killing people for crimes much less in my eyes than taking the life of another in an unlawful manner?

Being in the wrong place at the wrong time sufficed, if YHWH wanted the land.

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RE: Mental Health - 7/21/2011 7:56:56 PM   
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