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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


I think you are overemphasizing the influence of the formal system -- aka the Vatican and rules -- and under emphasizing the informal system of how Catholics practice their religion. Take American Catholics, they use birth control, have premarital sex, and openly tolerate gays -- they give to charity and do not politic for extreme political changes in the country. Additionally, priests do not enforce Catholic edicts in a gestapo manner and have full autonomy to write and give their own homilies.

Also, there is an upside to central authority, namely nutcases get shut down. No part of the Catholic Church can get away with sponsoring or inciting terrorism.

So, what you seem to be missing is the importance of the informal system. The Pope really has about as much influence with Catholics as the President of the US has with the general populace --- little. Its the priests, nuns, lay workers, parishioners, teachers, doctors, schools, and universities that touch and influence the lives of Catholics -- not the men wearing pointy hats in the Vatican.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
From what doctrinal belief do you think they disassociate themselves from?

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

I think you are overemphasizing the influence of the formal system -- aka the Vatican and rules -- and under emphasizing the informal system of how Catholics practice their religion. Take American Catholics, they use birth control, have premarital sex, and openly tolerate gays -- they give to charity and do not politic for extreme political changes in the country. Additionally, priests do not enforce Catholic edicts in a gestapo manner and have full autonomy to write and give their own homilies.

The Catholic Church is nothing to me but a international  feudal order of genocidal European mercenaries and child rapists in frocks, who run a fake religion as one of their criminal swindles.

http://www.aaanativearts.com/article1641.html

"Beside the conquistador stands a priest" - South American saying.

And this Catholic church has acted locally, executing children for wetting their bed in their Crown concentration camps for children, forced sterilizations, use of children as laboratory animals, deliberately infecting children with deadly diseases and then denying them medical care, forced abortions, all just in British Columbia can be added to the regular pedophilia and other child abuse they practice world wide  -

"Pope Joseph Ratzinger and Queen Elizabeth Windsor have both been issued a Public Summons by the ITCCS to appear before it in September and answer charges of their complicity in crimes against humanity, genocide and child trafficking, as well as Elizabeth Windsor’s culpability in Canadian depleted uranium (du) and radiation genocide." - http://exopolitics.blogs.com/breaking_news/2011/06/download-revkevinannetitccsorg.html

"Aboriginal elders from Canada will offer prayers for their friends and relatives who died or were killed in Catholic Indian residential schools, at the institution in Rome responsible for their death. And they will name Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, as the one ultimately responsible." - http://www.russellmeansfreedom.com/tag/catholic-church/

This demon church and the vampires running it do not even answer to, or follow the words of the desert god they claim to follow, let alone anyone or anything else, and as the thing is an absolute monarchy ruled from Rome, it is little more then a worldwide government of criminals who specialize is the abuse and suffering of the innocent and of downtrodden minorities for their own depraved amusement and for their collective benefit, while happily swindling anyone who is foolish enough to believe their false creed.
Anyone in this century and on this continent who follows this evil creed, for all here know it's dark and bloodstained history, both in the Americas and across the rest of the world, is either a willing tool or a abject fool

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


I dont have any time for the Catholic Church but you post some dubious bullshit as links. I wont even touch how you make the Queen liable for the use of depleted Uranium. Elizabeth Windsor to appear before the ITCCS, please excuse me while I piss myself laughing at your absurdities.

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

Pleading sovereign immunity are we?

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

Pleading sovereign immunity are we?

Your posts often show a lack of knowledge of British History and/or British law. Let me know how the court case gets on, I just hope Liz will be free to open Parliament.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Id love to see genocide treaties she is said to have signed. Id also love to see where she authorised events in Canada relating to bed wetting.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
From what doctrinal belief do you think they disassociate themselves from?

Yes, it isn't right to say the Catholic Church is the Vatican or vice versa. It is too simplistic to say the people are good but the Church isn't etc. The church informs their beliefs and the powers that be are directly involved in the infrastructure that allows or facilitates many Catholics in assisting societies around the world generally.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

uh huh, Crown Estate that is looked after by the Parliament who are beholden for Power by the Monarchy. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....it is....

So enlighten me on how the 6 counties came to be separate during the 1916 Revolution? Monarchy had nothing to do with that right?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You dragged the Queen into the issue, so dont start trying to blame me for your own failings.  Your timeline seems a little warped as well. You mention 1949 when the Queen wasnt even on the throne, so I doubt she signed that. You also seem to have little clue of the Queens official role in Canadian affairs.

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Of course being born in Canda, and partially educated there

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Of course being born in Canda, and partially educated there I don't have nearly the understanding a Brit like you does.

And no, I cited an  article on the Queen and the Pope as heads of state both being called to account for their nations (assuming the Vatican is a nation) role in examples of the Catholic Church's handiwork in Canada.

As far as I know  the Queen is bound by her predecessor's treaties. Perhaps there is some new law or rule in the UK differing from this.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

uh huh, Crown Estate that is looked after by the Parliament who are beholden for Power by the Monarchy. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....it is....

So enlighten me on how the 6 counties came to be separate during the 1916 Revolution? Monarchy had nothing to do with that right?

I don't know.....but they could be wrong. First paragraph of the link pretty much says Irish Republican Army was fighting the British Army. No?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_war_of_Independence
Indeed, the Monarchy had nothing to do with it. You knowledge of English/Irish history, as well as that of UK law, is sadly lacking. I am surprised so many of you know how to use Google but dont know how to read. The facts regard the monarchy are readily available. I have gone through the history of the monarchy more times than I care to remember on here.

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

Of course being born in Canda, and partially educated there

I believe you :)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
From what doctrinal belief do you think they disassociate themselves from?

Yes, it isn't right to say the Catholic Church is the Vatican or vice versa. It is too simplistic to say the people are good but the Church isn't etc. The church informs their beliefs and the powers that be are directly involved in the infrastructure that allows or facilitates many Catholics in assisting societies around the world generally.

We cannot,nor should we ever, fail to remember the bad that has been done in the name of the church.

The Church at the time were a police state among themselves. Now days, priests can, and are, arrested for the crimes they commit... something unheard of in the not so distant past.

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But, its like our government. The US Government is a thing of beauty... we just have allowed many assholes to tarnish it with their greed and hatred. The same thing happened in the Church.

When someone can say, with absolute conviction, that the Church has perpetuated an "evil" with the full knowledge, consent and encouragement of its parishioners, then the whole of the church can be blamed.