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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 7:51:41 PM   
Kaliko


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How to handle a troll. - 8/8/2011 7:56:31 PM   
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I'm not quite sure why I'm answering these questions as I don't really think you are asking to hear anything.
<snipped>

Trolls (and Rule in particular) have learned how to evoke (and provoke) responses.  As you say, above, Rule has me trapped...... Oh, wait, that's not what you said.... Well, actually that IS what you said. LOL!

P.S.  A tragedy for all concerned.  I am sorry for your loss.

And that's a hint how trolls work... personalize the posts so that people such as yourself respond "But, but.... this is what I KNOW.  This is what happened to ME.  How dare you challenge MY experiences?

Just let him be delusional; shake your head; and say "Poor Rule. Poor, poor, Rule."

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 8:03:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I really hope all of this is just a joke. Otherwise this is the biggest disrespect  and insult I have ever seen on this site to date.


How do you mean ? It was beginning to make me smile.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 8:04:44 PM   
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Poor Rule. Poor, poor Rule.


....sigh. So unsatisfying.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 8:11:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
I don't even understand this thread. I don't get it.

Here's your translation:

OP [by Rule] I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.  [Note that he does NOT tell us for what purpose.  He tells us do research, but there's many reasons postulated for the conspiracy. He doesn't tell us which one has the most APPEAL for him.]

Anyway

OP: I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.

I'd like to suggest one of two responses:

1) Kewl, me too.
2) So what?

My feelings too because there will certainly be no grand jury now. Suffice it to say, America completely and the world almost as much...changed that day and for the worse. There are so many obviously necessary and yet unanswered questions, the whole truth about 9/11 will never be known.

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How to handle a troll. - 8/8/2011 8:12:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
Wait, let me try...

Poor Rule. Poor, poor Rule.

....sigh. So unsatisfying.

And that's part of the trolls' (plural possessive) "magic."  You WANT to be satisfied in your response.  You WANT the troll to move, at least a little from their stated position.  They will NOT! They will themselves to NOT move.  That's why people keep feeding them.  "Here troll.  Come over here, troll. I have a bit of argument for you troll. Other people like this argument; you might too...." LOL!





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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 8:13:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MusicalBoredom

The first plane wasn't seen by as many people simply because, in my opinion, that there were more people staring at the sky and buildings after the first tower was on fire. The assumption by the one radio station I was listening to was first that there was a fire secondly there were reports that a plane had hit it.  Now back then, private and charter planes routinely few down the hudson and even sometimes over portions of Manhattan so people could take pictures.  There was even talk on occasion of hoping that a plane didn't fly into a building during fog a such.  Commercial flights did NOT fly close to skyline at that time.  Commercial flights stayed high on approach until close to the airport because of the commuter traffic.

As to am I sure of I saw?  Yes.  I'm not easily swayed by public opinion.  I know the difference between commercial flights, private props and jets and military transports.  The look and sound different.

I'm not quite sure why I'm answering these questions as I don't really think you are asking to hear anything.  Fortunately my experiences are mine and shape my life whether they are believed by others or not.

You have to understand, rule is a Netherlands neo-nazi who has driven himself over the edge via a botched self-circumcision.

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RE: How to handle a troll. - 8/8/2011 8:19:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would honestly be interested in knowing why he feels the way he does.

But...okay...(hmmph).....walking away from it. Mumbling under my breath.

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How to handle a HALF-of-a-troll. - 8/8/2011 8:19:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
I don't even understand this thread. I don't get it.

Here's your translation:

OP [by Rule] I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.  [Note that he does NOT tell us for what purpose.  He tells us do research, but there's many reasons postulated for the conspiracy. He doesn't tell us which one has the most APPEAL for him.]

Anyway

OP: I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy.

I'd like to suggest one of two responses:

1) Kewl, me too.
2) So what?

My feelings too because there will certainly be no grand jury now. Suffice it to say, America completely and the world almost as much...changed that day and for the worse. There are so many obviously necessary and yet unanswered questions, the whole truth about 9/11 will never be known.

So, you split the difference between (1)  and (2)?  I thought made the choices mutually exclusive.  DAMN!  I guess I didn't.

Wait!  I'm feeding a half-troll !!! LOL!


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RE: How to handle a troll. - 8/8/2011 8:34:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
I would honestly be interested in knowing why he feels the way he does.

But...okay...(hmmph).....walking away from it. Mumbling under my breath.

Actually, so would I.  Delusion can be a fascinating subject.  BUT!  He's already told us to "go do your own research."  As if looking at other delusional sites will help us understand his delusion.

Some people just get an odd idea into their heads and run with it.

As a matter of fact, I was so "interested in knowing why he feels the way he does," that I actually googled his suggestion, thinking "Ah, ha.  All will be revealed."

Well, near as I can find out, the official report said the planes that had been hi-jacked had their transponders (tracking devices)  turned off by the terrorists.  Thus, there was no wasy to react to the planes since they had been "lost" to ATCs. (Air Traffic Contollers.)  This supposed reason for losing the planes is then proven to be wrong in a few different ways.  So, the "logic" is: the Government lied about the transponder issue.  The Gov't won't tell us (the public) why they lied about the transponders. Therefore, the Gov't will (and has) lied on all issues.  (For those of you logic fans - typical case of what is called "the missing middle."  And that is a logic error, period.  Plain and simple.  Bad logic. Bad, bad, logic)

I repeat "near as I can find out".........

<edited for clrity - HA!  Like that can happen on this issue> 

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RE: How to handle a troll. - 8/8/2011 8:39:59 PM   
Kaliko


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Status: offline 		I have the report on my bookshelf. Perhaps I'll take another look at it.

Wait..damn...why am I back on thread?

Sucked in. Sucked in.

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How conspiracy theories get started. - 8/8/2011 8:56:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
I have the report on my bookshelf. Perhaps I'll take another look at it.

Wait..damn...why am I back on thread?

Sucked in. Sucked in.

Sorry.  My fault. LOL!

It is SO kewl that you have report.  That's another way conspiracy theories get started.  There's one line taken out of context and AWAAAAAAyyyyyyy we go! HMmmmm.... some religious sects start that way.  One line out of the Bible and they base a whole lifestyle on it.
// Lance grits teeth as he types "lifestyle." LOL! //

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How conspiracy theories get started. - 8/8/2011 9:11:25 PM   
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[sarcastic font = ON] WOW!  I didn't know you could do that! [sarcastic font = OFF] LOL!

As above, one sentence and away we go..... Actually, the transponders are mentioned more than once, but I see where a quick (or purposefully inventive) reading might get you the results desired for a conspiracy.

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How conspiracy theories get started. - 8/8/2011 9:15:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
Oh my God, I want to stick a fork in my eye just so I can force myself to feel something other than this gnawing frustration.

Better? Better, now that you have some control over the "gnawing frustration"? Well, me too.  I like looking up things to help people.  I like helping people AND I learn so many amazing facts....

{{HUGS}} in any instance.

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9/11 conspiracy "joke" - 8/8/2011 9:20:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Terrible, terrible 9/11 conspiracy "joke."

Why were the Towers destoyed?
They were 30 years old.  Time to re-decorate.

I TOLD you it was terrible! 

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 10:16:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I really hope all of this is just a joke. Otherwise this is the biggest disrespect  and insult I have ever seen on this site to date.




Sadly Rule is serious. He and a few others on here are convinced 9/11 was all a conspiracy.


LOLOLOLOL God you are soooo stupid.  I'm sorry....really....but ya are.  Simply because there are conspiracy theories that swirl in abundance does not mean that a plane did not crash into Tower 1 and that a plane did not crash into Tower 2.  OK????  Clear enough for the English speaking on this board?

Ok...now someone tell me, what caused the collapse, into its own footprint, of Building 7.  The landlord said that the building was "pulled" nomenclature for razed.  Ok.  He said and I believe him. 

But for some of you, that isn't enough.  So simply tell me when...in all history...has a steel building collapsed into its own foot print due to a fire.  Any takers?  The Deep Water Horizon platform burned for 3 days and it didn't melt.  Building 7, which was not struck by a plane, came down in approximately 6.5 hours. 

Ok...what if it was "pulled" i.e. razed via a controlled demolition?  It was a 44 story building that was "over engineered".  It was the command center for the Mayor, had a N.A.S.D. office in it and either an F.B.I or a C.I.A. headquarters in it as well and some other sensitive shit that you good people can Google.  How did it collapse so perfectly into its own footprint??

If it was demolished, it had to be imploded.  A 44 story building would take some time to wire and notch the beams and do all of the other things necessary......yes?  Could it have been done in 6.5 hours?  I don't know but I think it would have taken a shit load of people.  Was it pre-wired for demolition?  If it was...when was it?  How many buildings are there in NYC that YOU might walk into that are pre-wired for demolition? 

Just some questions.  Questions that have never been answered to the satisfaction of many people.



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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 10:37:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

You have a limited comprehension of what a thorough (scientific) investigation consists off.

Nothing is done until I say so.



This is why I ignore your posts,and realone`s and now PAhunks.

I find truthers this point, to be completely insulting and disgusting.

Weird and creepy,like Holocaust deniers.

A few weeks ago I was surfing the radio dial and caught Gary Null`s show.I used to be a fan of his and became a vegetarian(for ten years) because of him.
The show was in progress and I didn`t know the subject when a caller started mentioning the debris piles at ground zero.

She starts with there`s no way the "small" pile of debris left, could have been from all of the two buddings.

She then says that the claim that a lot of the concrete (hundreds of tons in fact) was blown into the air as a dust cloud (after being pulverized during the fall)was impossible.Her claim then.....omg.... was that the frick`n twin towers were removed "some other way".Doing conspiracy paranoia ass-hat act.But "WHO"?

I was like ,OK next station.

I`ve heard the Null entertains 9/11 truther conspiracy theorists which I believe b/c he went nutty about 15 years ago.A bit of megalomania and "I`m all that-ness" turned me off.My friends who used to listen don`t anymore.They can`t stand him.The stupid truther stuff is only one reason why.He used to be well respected.

I`m puzzled about the truther "movement",tho.

I always knew there were fringe-y people but this truther thing is big.

It just might be the net or something else at play,but these creeps are as emboldened as ever to claim all kinds of things.Douch-bag of the universe award winner alex jones and entertainers like him are probably what`s at work here.

jones is now claiming SEAL team VI was murdered.True jerk off there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzZviW44E8U

The act usually starts out with a premise that certain things "couldn`t possibly have happened".Fire not hot enough to melt steal,debris pile to small,building built to withstand airliner/plane crashes,etc.

Then it moves weirder toward claims like, there were "explosions in the towers just before the fall",the Pentagon attack couldn`t have been a jet(for various reasons),the "what about building 7" jerk-offs who claim this is "the proof" of a government conspiracy,etc.

The ridiculous scenarios just keep coming and coming and no answer or explanation is satisfactory.There`s always another counter claim with many "that`s not possible,.....so this must be what happened" claims.

They`er exhausting sometimes and insatiable.Like shoveling sand against the tide.They go in circles and the one thing that describes them all is their arrogance and selfishness.They know and you don`t.You`re the one that needs help.

9/11 truther-nutters don`t do it because they are good intentioned,benevolent folks who want to help.

This is a form of entertainment for truthers.There`s a thrill involved in getting people going,getting a rise outta folks and debating endlessly.

And a there`s a kind of a feeling of superiority, that they are privy to info and know things the average guy doesn`t.




For me and many others,we see the truther movement as a kind of sickness,like Holocaust deniers.Same mental weaknesses involved.Same lack of reason and willful ignorance.

The birther ass-hats,secret Jewish world domination(google ZOG),Hollywood run by same Jewish conspiracy(the folks who think media is manipulated by liberals aren`t far from that bunch) or the weirdos who believe the "government" is behind everything/anything bad that happens,....same deal.

The cons who think government is always the problem, aren`t very many steps from that group of nutters.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

This piece debunks every truther claim and explains in laymen`s terms, what happened in NYC and in Washington DC.


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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 10:51:39 PM   
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Two planes took off and both landed safely - and I know where.


Are we going to start with this nonsense yet again?

Okay, tell us where they landed safely and where all those passengers are.

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How to handle "rule" and other trolls - 8/8/2011 10:58:32 PM   
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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 10:59:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I don't even understand this thread. I don't get it.


It's called insanity.

Get used to it, because there is a lot of it around here.

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