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RE: How to handle "rule" and other trolls - 8/8/2011 11:01:19 PM   
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How to handle trolls:  DO NOT FEED THEM ! ! !


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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:04:44 PM   
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lolololololololololol So why do you respond if you are going to ignore him?  Look, the planes hitting towers one and two are captured on film, hundreds of bystanders.  Why even talk about it? 

Building 7 is another issue whether you like it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq_vWgCxw0A

Fast forward to the 2.05 minute mark and then watch it.

You know....there is some really disturbing video out there, not that you guys want to hear about.  But do you know where it comes from?  It comes from the firemen in the Towers that managed to get out. 

Does anyone at all even question that a 110 story building can suffer a severe impact around the 80th floor, 30 floors below, some people got out.  No fire 30 floors below or 40 floors or 50, etc.  The windows weren't even blown just a few stories below the crash area.  All that aside...the building comes down into its own foot print.  It doesn't shear off and leave a spiked spire.......nope.....it comes all the way down into the lobby.  And it does it in less than 40 minutes.  And it does it twice.

And none of you have a doubt in your mind?  Not one doubt?  It is just as certain to you as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West?  Huh...I guess I'm just not that certain.

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RE: How to handle a troll. - 8/8/2011 11:10:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I would honestly be interested in knowing why he feels the way he does.

But...okay...(hmmph).....walking away from it. Mumbling under my breath.


You just need more experience here.

Just wait until he starts telling you about the evils of circumcision.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:14:13 PM   
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On second thought....here is another cite.  I am posting this because I am about to be called every name in the book.  That's fine.  Make yourselves feel better any way you like.  Still...take a look.  Again...it is the firemen.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/ 

You don't really think that I do not understand the awful implications of what is on these cites, do you?

I'm not like Rule.  I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy.  But I AM saying that there are questions and the more you look, the more you will question.  The happening known as 9/11 is presented to you in a box with a pretty bow and you are told "here it is, this is all there is."  I don't believe that.  And if you choose to and it helps you sleep better at night, that is fine and don't let anything I say change that.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:16:29 PM   
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lolololololololololol So why do you respond if you are going to ignore him?  Look, the planes hitting towers one and two are captured on film, hundreds of bystanders.  Why even talk about it? 

Building 7 is another issue whether you like it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq_vWgCxw0A

Fast forward to the 2.05 minute mark and then watch it.

You know....there is some really disturbing video out there, not that you guys want to hear about.  But do you know where it comes from?  It comes from the firemen in the Towers that managed to get out. 

Does anyone at all even question that a 110 story building can suffer a severe impact around the 80th floor, 30 floors below, some people got out.  No fire 30 floors below or 40 floors or 50, etc.  The windows weren't even blown just a few stories below the crash area.  All that aside...the building comes down into its own foot print.  It doesn't shear off and leave a spiked spire.......nope.....it comes all the way down into the lobby.  And it does it in less than 40 minutes.  And it does it twice.

And none of you have a doubt in your mind?  Not one doubt?  It is just as certain to you as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West?  Huh...I guess I'm just not that certain.



Why am I not surprised that you would be joining in the insanity?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:20:22 PM   
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Don't judge me...judge the material.  The second cite is really quite fascinating.  Are you a man with a curious mind?  Can you review things that are potentially unsettling?  If you have that kind of steel in your spine, review it.  Then tell us why is meaningless.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:24:28 PM   
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Being a firemen doesn`t make anyone a special authority on things 9/11.

A douche-bad NYC firemen just lost a suit trying to block that Mosque from being built near ground zero.

Ass hole is as ass hole does.

Being in the FDNY doesn`t excuse a truther from being in the lunatic fringe.

General reply:

I wasn`t feeding trolls.

My post was to share my thoughts with the normal folks.



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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:29:55 PM   
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You aren't normal.  You are a one dimensional thinker, you are unimaginative, you are dumb and you are a partisan ideologue that lobbies for a nanny state.  Let the normal people pull up those two pages and thousands more and draw their own conclusions.

No one needs a twit like you to think for them. 

I have posted those two cites and people can watch the videos and they can ask questions.  If people believe what they have been told....that is fine.  This isn't a political debate.  The questions that may be raised in an individual's mind might cut to the very core of that person's belief system. 

As I have said.  I have some questions about the event.  I have no answers and I proffer no conspiracy theories.

Oh...and it isn't ONE firemen.  Watch the videos and there are more that follow.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:37:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Don't judge me...judge the material.  The second cite is really quite fascinating.  Are you a man with a curious mind?  Can you review things that are potentially unsettling?  If you have that kind of steel in your spine, review it.  Then tell us why is meaningless.


I have before, many times.

This is not something new on here.

And it doesn't get any more credible with age.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:40:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Don't judge me...judge the material.  The second cite is really quite fascinating.  Are you a man with a curious mind?  Can you review things that are potentially unsettling?  If you have that kind of steel in your spine, review it.  Then tell us why is meaningless.


I have before, many times.

This is not something new on here.

And it doesn't get any more credible with age.


Alright!  Then it is no big deal...right?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:44:54 PM   
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Anyone pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories is a douche-bag.


Period.


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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:50:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Anyone pushing 9/11 conspiracy theories is a douche-bag.


Period.



LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Sure thing, Braveheart! LOLOLOLOLOL

For all of you that are reading this, let's get one thing clear; I'm not out to change anyone's mind.  I don't have any answers.  If those cites raise questions in your mind, rest assured you will never get to the bottom of it.  But if someone who is as uncritical in their thinking, unsophisticated and provencal as Owner is against you even considering something (much less talking about it), then it is worth looking at.  There's a rule of thumb you can believe in.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/8/2011 11:54:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


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Don't judge me...judge the material.  The second cite is really quite fascinating.  Are you a man with a curious mind?  Can you review things that are potentially unsettling?  If you have that kind of steel in your spine, review it.  Then tell us why is meaningless.


I have before, many times.

This is not something new on here.

And it doesn't get any more credible with age.


Alright!  Then it is no big deal...right?



What is a big deal is that you are posting things based on the rantings of a has-been rock star and the ever-credible Alex Jones.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 2:03:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MusicalBoredom
As to am I sure of I saw?  Yes.  I'm not easily swayed by public opinion.  I know the difference between commercial flights, private props and jets and military transports.  The look and sound different.

I appreciate your answer.

Thus, to summarize what I have learned: An eye-witness on a ferry allegedly saw and heard a commercial plane at unknown distance and unknown altitude fly into the second tower that was hit. The event lasted an unknown number of seconds from first visual detection of the plane until it hit the tower. Other unknowns: was the flight ever obstructed from the view of the witness, were there nearby witnesses and was there any talking between them afterwards or during the witnessed event.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 2:07:04 AM   
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If it was demolished, it had to be imploded.  A 44 story building would take some time to wire and notch the beams and do all of the other things necessary......yes?  Could it have been done in 6.5 hours?  I don't know but I think it would have taken a shit load of people.  Was it pre-wired for demolition?  If it was...when was it?

It was brought down in an ingenious way. If any explosive was used, I would expect it to have been a very tiny charge, perhaps the size of my thumb.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 5:44:26 AM   
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Oh shit, I forgot to tell you the best part.  I saw Obama (we can't call him president Obama because that would be respectful), who we know is the cause of every public and personal woe in the country, don a ninja outfit, climb the 3 buildings and plant explosives.  Most people didn't notice this because the Flouride  that the government puts in the water is really there to make Obama in a ninja suit invisible (It also slows down time). Now he probably did this so that the outrage from the attack would cause the people to just make up some war to go to and would cost enough money to cause a financial crisis in the country and make a huge fiasco resulting in a default.  Fortunately, the tea party guys never drank any flouride and saw what was happening and put a stop to his evil plan but doing their magic in congress. Their plan didn't fully work though as the debt ceiling was raised.  Had it not been raised then the uber-illumati would have sent back to the bowels of congress and the heroes would have restored the country to greatness.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 6:30:19 AM   
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The below quotes are some tidbits from this webpage.

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There was a bomb scare at the FAA's Boston Air Traffic Center, as well as a false alarm about an approaching suicide plane that prompted the evacuation of the building.[3] An evacuation also occurred at another FAA facility on Martha's Vineyard when a large white plane was sighted near the tower. [4] Unfortunately, this low-flying plane was never identified.

Air traffic centers that keep an eye on everything that moves in the sky were evacuated during the minutes that funny things happened in the sky. Weird, isn't that weird?

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the FAA tracked Flight 11 continuously until just north of the World Trade Center, when the plane dropped below 2,000 feet and was lost to radar.

Yep, lost to radar. This plane, allegedly Flight 11, disappeared without anyone ever having been able to identify it.

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FAA controllers who were afraid that NORAD's "fast-moving fighters" might collide with commercial passenger planes, hundreds of which were "in the area, still flying normal routes."

I do not doubt that MusicBoredom as well as the father of the person whom I spoke on the train saw an airplane. But I know that Flight 11 never took off. Whereas there were hundreds of other commercial passenger planes in the area. My point is that the eye-witnesses cannot testify that they saw Flight 11. It might have been any of the hundreds of other planes that were in the area that they saw.

My biggest problem is not that they saw a plane. I know that there was at least one other commercial passenger plane that exhibited highly suspicious behavior - and there may have been another one that I am not aware off.

My biggest problem is that they say that they saw the plane fly into the second tower. But I know that neither tower was hit by a plane, for one of the two planes never took off and the other one landed safely elsewhere. The solution to this paradox, in my opinion, must lie in the interpretation of what the eye-witnesses saw.

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Lower Manhattan is not a flight corridor for commercial air traffic, nor was it on September 11. Three international airports service greater New York City. Two of them, JFK and La Guardia, are well to the east of Manhattan, and the third, Newark Airport, is located in New Jersey, west across the Hudson. None of the flight corridors or holding patterns for these busy airports intersect the borough of Manhattan at any point.


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Soon after the attack, 9/11 truth investigators discovered that someone had scrubbed the DCANG web page from the internet, along with its mission statement about "providing combat units in the highest possible state of readiness."[43] Luckily, however, several months before the attack someone archived the page, which can still be viewed on line

Weird.

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Although the FAA's Boston Center tracked Flight 11 continuously on radar, for some reason NEADS was unable to locate the hijacked plane. Scoggins told me he gave them "nav aids," which are commonly used reference points, and even precise latitude and longitude coordinates, but to no avail. Lt. Col Dawne Deskins, who was on the receiving end of his call, told FOX News exactly what Scoggins told me: "He [Scoggins] gave me the latitude and longitude of that track...but there was nothing there."[45] At the time, Flight 11 was moving at 600 mph and should have been conspicuous on radar, according to Scoggins. But NEADS never did find the plane. This strange lapse haunts Scoggins to this day, because it never should have happened.

Independent corroboration that Flight 11 never existed.
Hm, I can move a non-existent airplane moving at 600 mph; that is easy.

Therefore, MusicBoredom, I do not doubt your sincerity. I do not doubt that you saw an airplane. What I do doubt is that you saw an airplane fly into one of the towers. It would help if you could testify that another eye-witness was standing next to you and called out: "Hey, MusicBoredom, did you see that? That plane flew into that tower." Or was it that you were listening to the radio and the guy talking on the radio said "Another plane just flew into the second tower," and you concluded 'Oh, so that was what I saw'? Think back, MusicBoredom, is there even the slightest chance that you were tricked by a master magician? Were mirrors or other deceptions used? (I am not serious about the mirrors.)

Look here, let's say that the tower has a diameter of one hundred meters and that the plane has equal length. It is moving at 600 mph, that is (600 x 16100)/3600 = 2680 meters per second. So it would have passed the diameter of the tower within 0.04 seconds. That is about ten times longer than the human visual response time, I guess, but nevertheless I do think that when an object is moving that fast, that the eye and mind might be fooled far more easily than if the object moved at a slower speed.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 6:37:08 AM   
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duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 6:41:58 AM   
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I am sure that is an excellent imitation of an airplane engine sound. Are you playing with a paper plane, or with a toy plane, or are you enthusiastically imitating the wings with your arms?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/9/2011 6:42:55 AM   
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NO, I am trying to up the intelligence of this thread. 

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