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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:41:22 PM   
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After eight years of the way leftists "respected" Bush...


All 8 years huh?

Could have sworn his poll numbers sky rocketed for a time... way beyond the "right" only.



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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:42:01 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/us/politics/02cong.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=obama&st=cse

I would respond to the article's question by saying it's disrespect. Particularly when you have a senator (Mitch McConnell) stating that this year (quoted per the article) "his first goal was to see Mr. Obama defeated." It isn't even President Obama, it's "Mr. Obama". I think that's the one thing that has struck me over and over again is how Republicans refer to President Obama as Mr. Obama. Why the lack of respect with what is his title? But back to the senator's comment. Really? His number one goal is seeing Obama defeated? How about making your number one goal working for the people who made you senator? I don't think that's so much to ask and it should be the number one goal of every elected official. It's disgusting that any elected official feels that getting the current administration out of office takes priority over everything else.


The number one goal seeing Obama defeated and making your number one goal working for the people who made you senator are the same thing.





As is the number one goal being to save the country from irreparable damage a continuation of Obama's polices will lead to.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:43:51 PM   
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No dk, you're a conservative. The mooney man said so. 

From a European/English PoV I'm something of a center leftist. Certainly not a fringe leftist that you claim has power in the Democratic party.


I think what he said was "They look just as right leaning as the other bunch from this side of the pond..."

But there you go again, defining another person's PoV for them. Maybe you two can argue it out. That would be entertaining.


The Democratic party is right of center from an English PoV. MoonHead was correct and no amount of you stomping your feet and demanding it isn't so will change that.

I think that's incorrect, Dems would be centre or slightly left of centre, depending on the political lay of the land with the major parties in the UK. I feel it is slightly misleading to compare the US with Europe when defining political positioning because there are some very notable differences, e.g. there isn't really a strong Christian right in Europe anymore, and so there isn't quite the level of hostility between left and right. It seemed that Obama sometimes accessorised himself with fashionable distinctly leftist garb so must have some strong leftist values but the recession and political reality he confronted didn't allow him to advance them far, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, depending on one's perspective.


The stimulus and Obamacare werent prevented from advancing and you don't get much further left.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:43:56 PM   
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So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.


people disrespected Clinton because he lied.

Bush because the people felt they were being lied too again so soon on the heels of Clinton.

Obama is often disrespected simply because of his skin color.

There is a huge difference.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:47:49 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/us/politics/02cong.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=obama&st=cse

I would respond to the article's question by saying it's disrespect. Particularly when you have a senator (Mitch McConnell) stating that this year (quoted per the article) "his first goal was to see Mr. Obama defeated." It isn't even President Obama, it's "Mr. Obama". I think that's the one thing that has struck me over and over again is how Republicans refer to President Obama as Mr. Obama. Why the lack of respect with what is his title? But back to the senator's comment. Really? His number one goal is seeing Obama defeated? How about making your number one goal working for the people who made you senator? I don't think that's so much to ask and it should be the number one goal of every elected official. It's disgusting that any elected official feels that getting the current administration out of office takes priority over everything else.


The number one goal seeing Obama defeated and making your number one goal working for the people who made you senator are the same thing.


If what I found online is correct, he was last elected to office in November of 2008, before Obama was elected president. So how can voters put him in the senate seat for something that didn't even exist?

Interestingly enough, he did win this election.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:52:18 PM   
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Obama hasn't faced an unusual amount of disrespect? Really?

Protestors showing up with signs with pictures of Obama with a bone through his nose?

People showing up armed to speeches?

Bill O'Reilly talking all over him in interviews? How often did that happen to Bush?

It took us three and a half years of his presidency to settle the debate about whether or not he was even an AMERICAN!

Strangerthan, it's one thing to disagree with someone else's politics, but Obama has done NOTHING to earn disrespect. If anything his problem is that he's been TOO nice.


So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.



The point of the NYT article was not about disrespect as a whole. They even include the idea that it is part of the territory of being president. The distinction is that it would appear President Obama is being disrespected at a whole new level and one that, as the article states, "seems strikingly personal".

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:54:00 PM   
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Obama hasn't faced an unusual amount of disrespect? Really?

Protestors showing up with signs with pictures of Obama with a bone through his nose?

People showing up armed to speeches?

Bill O'Reilly talking all over him in interviews? How often did that happen to Bush?

It took us three and a half years of his presidency to settle the debate about whether or not he was even an AMERICAN!

Strangerthan, it's one thing to disagree with someone else's politics, but Obama has done NOTHING to earn disrespect. If anything his problem is that he's been TOO nice.


So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.



The point of the NYT article was not about disrespect as a whole. They even include the idea that it is part of the territory of being president. The distinction is that it would appear President Obama is being disrespected at a whole new level and one that, as the article states, "seems strikingly personal".


Except that its not even close to a new level, and it is quite clearly not personal. The only overwhelmingly postive rating he has is that he is well liked as a person.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:57:44 PM   
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So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.


people disrespected Clinton because he lied.

Bush because the people felt they were being lied too again so soon on the heels of Clinton.

Obama is often disrespected simply because of his skin color.

There is a huge difference.


Bullshit. It is not because of his skin color. Disrespect is the new order of the game, and holds no one sacred. Witness Palin, Bachmann... fuck I could name a host of people left and right who fit the bill.

I swear to God, why don't you quit looking at skin color and look at people as people.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 3:59:01 PM   
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Except that its not even close to a new level, and it is quite clearly not personal. The only overwhelmingly postive rating he has is that he is well liked as a person.


Exactly.


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:01:35 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/us/politics/02cong.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=obama&st=cse

I would respond to the article's question by saying it's disrespect. Particularly when you have a senator (Mitch McConnell) stating that this year (quoted per the article) "his first goal was to see Mr. Obama defeated." It isn't even President Obama, it's "Mr. Obama". I think that's the one thing that has struck me over and over again is how Republicans refer to President Obama as Mr. Obama. Why the lack of respect with what is his title? But back to the senator's comment. Really? His number one goal is seeing Obama defeated? How about making your number one goal working for the people who made you senator? I don't think that's so much to ask and it should be the number one goal of every elected official. It's disgusting that any elected official feels that getting the current administration out of office takes priority over everything else.


I will respond to your post by saying that someone who shows disrespect has earned disrespect in return, no matter their title. Especially when you have a usurper (Soetoro/Soebarkah/Obama) stating "They [the GOP] can come along for the ride but they have to sit in the back [of the bus]."


The Obama quote you embellished was part of a speech where a bus wasn't mentioned or even alluded to.



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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:14:54 PM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/us/politics/02cong.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=obama&st=cse

I would respond to the article's question by saying it's disrespect. Particularly when you have a senator (Mitch McConnell) stating that this year (quoted per the article) "his first goal was to see Mr. Obama defeated." It isn't even President Obama, it's "Mr. Obama". I think that's the one thing that has struck me over and over again is how Republicans refer to President Obama as Mr. Obama. Why the lack of respect with what is his title? But back to the senator's comment. Really? His number one goal is seeing Obama defeated? How about making your number one goal working for the people who made you senator? I don't think that's so much to ask and it should be the number one goal of every elected official. It's disgusting that any elected official feels that getting the current administration out of office takes priority over everything else.


I will respond to your post by saying that someone who shows disrespect has earned disrespect in return, no matter their title. Especially when you have a usurper (Soetoro/Soebarkah/Obama) stating "They [the GOP] can come along for the ride but they have to sit in the back [of the bus]."


The Obama quote you embellished was part of a speech where a bus wasn't mentioned or even alluded to.




Anybody who lived through the 60s knows exactly what he was referring to without him saying "bus"

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:23:38 PM   
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Bullshit. It is not because of his skin color. Disrespect is the new order of the game, and holds no one sacred. Witness Palin, Bachmann... fuck I could name a host of people left and right who fit the bill.

I swear to God, why don't you quit looking at skin color and look at people as people.


It does not make me a racist to point out the racism of others, Strange.

Buck Burnette of the University of Texas is a prime example.

"all the hunters gather up, we have a #$%&er in the whitehouse"

Nice FB status, right?

Nothing about race in that, right?

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:27:20 PM   
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So you missed the cracks that were thrown at Bush when he was in office and you must have missed the ones thrown at Clinton before him. Personally I can't think of a president who wasn't disrespected by the opposite party before this. But if Obama thinks people are being mean to him, maybe he should join Sarah in Alaska. They can sit around eating moose and compairing notes on all the terrible things people say about them.


people disrespected Clinton because he lied.

Bush because the people felt they were being lied too again so soon on the heels of Clinton.

Obama is often disrespected simply because of his skin color.

There is a huge difference.

The strange and disturbing thing is how closely this is mirroring the period in Chicago called Council Wars. We elected Harold Washington, our first black mayor, and a coalition of white alderman acted as a bloc to stop everything he tried to do. They also claimed to not be racists but to be concerned with the direction of his policies but it was just as transparent as it is today.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:36:37 PM   
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Bullshit. It is not because of his skin color. Disrespect is the new order of the game, and holds no one sacred. Witness Palin, Bachmann... fuck I could name a host of people left and right who fit the bill.

I swear to God, why don't you quit looking at skin color and look at people as people.


It does not make me a racist to point out the racism of others, Strange.

Buck Burnette of the University of Texas is a prime example.

"all the hunters gather up, we have a #$%&er in the whitehouse"

Nice FB status, right?

Nothing about race in that, right?


Sure he's a racist. The fact of the matter is however, you're painting everyone with the same brush who disagrees with Obama, and that is simply incorrect. In fact, it is incorrect for the vast majority who disagree with him. People like Obama. I do as a person. I could live next door to him without a problem and without thinking about his skin color at all.




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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:41:44 PM   
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Sure he's a racist. The fact of the matter is however, you're painting everyone with the same brush who disagrees with Obama, and that is simply incorrect. In fact, it is incorrect for the vast majority who disagree with him. People like Obama. I do as a person. I could live next door to him without a problem and without thinking about his skin color at all.


Often.. which is what I said... does not imply every instance, Stranger.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:50:16 PM   
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Sure he's a racist. The fact of the matter is however, you're painting everyone with the same brush who disagrees with Obama, and that is simply incorrect. In fact, it is incorrect for the vast majority who disagree with him. People like Obama. I do as a person. I could live next door to him without a problem and without thinking about his skin color at all.


Often.. which is what I said... does not imply every instance, Stranger.


Ok. Define "often"...and then support it.

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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:52:46 PM   
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It's subjective. You say whine, I don't.



So then, what would you say, Devia, when the President goes through his days making excuses by blaming others, and bad luck?  The time where he could legitimately get off by saying he inherited the problems is over, and we are now in the times where we answer, "and you were supposed to deal with it."


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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:54:46 PM   
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I was talking the other day to a prominent Republican who asked me what I thought John McCain’s strongest issues would be in the general election.

Lower taxes and the argument he will be better able to protect America from its enemies, I said.

Republicans have a pretty good track record with those two.

The Republican shook his head. “You’re missing the most important one,” he said. “Race. McCain runs against Barack Obama and the race vote is worth maybe 15 percent to McCain.”

The man I was talking to is not a racist; he was just stating what he believes to be a fact: There is a percentage of the American electorate who will simply not vote for a black person no matter what his qualities or qualifications.

How big is that percentage? An AP-Yahoo poll conducted April 2-14 found that “about 8 percent of whites would be uncomfortable voting for a black for president.”

I don’t know if 8 percent sounds high or low to you, but I was amazed that 8 percent of respondents were willing to admit this to a pollster. And I figure that the true figure is much higher.

........

And consider this little nugget from Monday’s Washington Post, in a story by Kevin Merida and Jose Antonio Vargas datelined Scranton, Pa.:

“Barack Obama’s campaign opened a downtown office here on March 15, just in time for the annual St. Patrick’s Day parade. It was not a glorious day for Team Obama. Some of the green signs the campaign had trucked in by the thousands were burned during the parade, and campaign volunteers — white volunteers — were greeted with racial slurs.”

Signs burned? Racial slurs shouted out loud? In this day and age? Maybe that 15 percent estimate is low.





http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9761.html

You dont find it disturbing that people would actually admit to not voting for someone based upon skin color alone?

You spoke of Palin/Backmann. I was ready and eager to vote for Palin... then she opened her mouth. It had nothing to do with skin color... and everything to do with her own stupidity. She isnt a woman I would ever call "friend", not even someone I would wish to know... based upon her own actions/words.

Obama wasnt even given the chance to screw up before he was dismissed... simply because of his skin color, according to those 8% who responded to that poll.

To me, thats "often" enough.



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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:55:56 PM   
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RE: NYT article on lack of respect by GOP - 9/3/2011 4:57:25 PM   
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Anybody who lived through the 60s knows exactly what he was referring to without him saying "bus"



That is the standard the proggies have set for shrieking, "RASCIST!," Wilbur.  "We all know what that means!" 

Nice use of the Alinsky method in shoving it right back in their faces. 

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