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littlewonder -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 8:55:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Or, she could just run down to her doctor's office and a prescription for Prozac.  That stuff works wonders in making strong emotions controllable..  No muss, no fuss, and she and her Master can get on with their lives.
Seriously, I don't understand why people elect to suffer emotional turmoil day after day.  It is very easy to take the edge off and be a more functional person.  I am not currently taking medication, because I am in such a happy place in my life and I exercise a lot.  But I certainly have in the past when work has sucked, my partners and I were at war, my relationship was going down hill, and I couldn't get through the day without crying.  It helped me to stop focusing on the emotion and start focusing on the solution.  Hence the happy place I am in.



I don't have a problem with medication WITH therapy but medication alone won't fix the problem. It may help the problem but you need the therapy as well to find out what the underlying problem is. Ok, fine..if you want to say it's just a chemical problem and the dr has said that's all you need but it's rarely that simple. For most people it goes much deeper than popping a pill everyday.





AneNoz -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 8:57:31 AM)

I do not assume this to be so. I am aware that for most that are here the words Master, Mistress, owner, and slave are but erotica. I do not speak to those as what they do is not within my understanding. I speak to those only who take the meaning of these words in seriousness.

Be at peace
Aneka




Asherscorp1 -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 8:58:19 AM)

Not sure I even can clarify any of this at this point. Lol. Firstly, Master has never expressed any problem with this. I wanted input simply because someone else brought the thought into my universe that this wasn't actually a balanced or healthy way to handle things. It got me to thinking. The responses I've gotten here have also given me a lot to consider. I'm not sure where I ever gave the impression that this happens frequently. Although to me frequently is every couple of weeks, not every few months which is the time-table I'm working on. Sure, there are better ways to handle it. I usually use those ways. I run, I journal, I meditate, I talk to someone, I read, I calm down. However, this specific behavior builds up because there are certain things that I don't communicate well about and usually suppress until they just boil over. This doesn't mean I am violent, throwing things, or screaming. I am generally almost silent when doing anything around the house. "Slamming a door" to me is the force most people use all the time. No, that doesn't excuse the behavior but it does put it in context. Anyway, even this Master understands and we generally work on it together. Neither of us are very communicative because of various traumas we experienced in childhood. We cut each other some slack there. Things we should have learned or experienced in our formative years were never given the chance to develop. No, I am not mature in dealing with stress, highly emotional situations or extreme disappointment. I don't pretend to be. I am working on it. Yes, I am high-strung, driven, reactive, tempermental, obsessive and difficult. That's me. I don't think those necessitate a therapist though. I think they necessitate someone patient, kind, loving and willing to give me a hand when I need one. Master and I both believe in being relentlessly self-improving, we research, we seek, we learn ways to make our flaws into assets or to re-wire our behavior so our flaws aren't given a chance to steal the spot-light. It's a process though. A long process. And it's one that I believe Master should be abe to take the lead in as in all other things in our relationship. I'm not sure where the distinction comes in that I am a pet, owned, loved, cared for and that Master will take care of me in all ways except if I'm not emotionally up to snuff. Of course I understand that he has bad days, of course I don't expect him to put me first when he is emotionally or mentally exhausted and simply incapable of channeling that kind of energy into me. I don't ever hold that against him. It may also be of note that without any intervention from him I eventually end up in the same place. I may spend a couple of hours being louder than usual, or swear, or even stomp around (or all of them at once) but I do reach a point where my higher brain functions kick in and remind me to breathe, to center, to be calm and to think it through and fix whatever it is. However, Master stepping in cuts that process down, reminds me sooner and gives us both a moment to center with each other. I had grown somewhat complacent in this arrangement, thinking it was reasonable but regardless of anything else reading through a lot of these responses has convinced me that I probably should try harder to more efficiently modify my behavior on my own.




GreedyTop -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 9:18:14 AM)

PLEASE USE PARAGRAPHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




sunshinemiss -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 9:46:22 AM)

To Asher -
Yes, a visit to a mental health professional would probably be a good idea to check stuff out considering what you've written.

Also, how's your thyroid?  While rarely is a medicine only answer a good one, this particular one seems to be with people who have hypothyroidism.  You may want to get your blood levels checked.

You also might want to consider Co-Dependents Anonymous.  They have a lot of strategies that might be helpful. 

good luck,
sunshine




quasarr -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 9:49:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

I don't often get stuck in a spiral but when I do it's a swearing, slamming doors, crying sort of thing.
My question is this: if I am my Master's creature is it his place to pull me out of that sort of negative spiral when I can't myself?
For my part I see that as the obligation and privelege of a Master. If there is something a slave can't handle, physically, emotionally, mentally he is there to ground her, encourage her, do whatever it takes to help her help herself and deal with the issue. I realize the pressure that would place on a Master though and just wanted to know if others see it that way or if my view is actually unreasonable.

Masters must realize that their subs/slaves ARE real people too, and they sometimes need that help and support. I would be somewhat appalled if my Master refused to be that rock when I needed him most. It'd be a selfish move to refuse to help in those situations, unless he was completely fine with his slave finding emotional help elsewhere if he didn't know what to do.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 12:39:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I don't have a problem with medication WITH therapy but medication alone won't fix the problem. It may help the problem but you need the therapy as well to find out what the underlying problem is. Ok, fine..if you want to say it's just a chemical problem and the dr has said that's all you need but it's rarely that simple. For most people it goes much deeper than popping a pill everyday.



It actually depends on what the reason for the problem is. In cases where it is situational depression caused by a job loss (just for an example), therapy is not necessarily needed. There isn't always and "underlying" problem that needs therapy.

I don't think you are in a position to talk about what is the case for "most" people.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 12:42:16 PM)

Exactly.  Sometimes it is pretty clear, without the help of a "trained professional" to determine what the source of emotional issues is.  Not to mention that a lot of insurance companies and particularly HMOs are more than willing to spring for the pill, not so willing to pay for endless therapy sessions. 
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder




It actually depends on what the reason for the problem is. In cases where it is situational depression caused by a job loss (just for an example), therapy is not necessarily needed. There isn't always and "underlying" problem that needs therapy.

I don't think you are in a position to talk about what is the case for "most" people.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 1:05:25 PM)

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Neither of us are very communicative because of various traumas we experienced in childhood. We cut each other some slack there. Things we should have learned or experienced in our formative years were never given the chance to develop. No, I am not mature in dealing with stress, highly emotional situations or extreme disappointment. I don't pretend to be. I am working on it. Yes, I am high-strung, driven, reactive, tempermental, obsessive and difficult. That's me. I don't think those necessitate a therapist though.


Thank you for the clarification, however, I think you are wrong about needing a therapist or counselor of some sort.

It is not just difficult but almost impossible to help yourself through childhood traumas alone. Two such people with similar traumas or traumas that have caused similar symptoms (lack of communication) will not do a very good job of helping each other, IMO. Not b/c you don't want to, but b/c there will be times you will both be too close to the issue.

BTW: There is nothing wrong with getting professional help when you need it. I have. I don't consider having therapy a weakness, on the contrary, not seeking help when I so obviously needed it would have been.




kiwisub12 -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 1:39:40 PM)

Seems to me that this is (as previously noted) is a relationship issue. If the OP's master is ok with it, good for them. For my late master and my present sweetie, slamming doors and yelling would more likely to lead to a punishment(and not in a good way) than a pinch in the right place.

There is no place in my life, or the life of my chosen mates for drama - and frankly, yelling and door slamming screams drama to me.

Obviously there is an issue here for the OP , or she wouldn't have posted the original posting. Perhaps she needs to explore why she made the OP, and what about the situation makes her uncomfortable.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 2:33:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

You clearly don't know what a diagnosis is.



Oh, but I do... and i also know when someone (that'd be YOU, btw) is practicing quack internet psychology by painting a fucking internet poster -- AN INTERNET POSTER, for crying out loud -- as having "mental health issues" as you did.  PUH--FUCKING-LEEZE!!!

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

It's clearly a long term, pervasive issue.  Her "rough patches" are a pattern that are creating distress in her life.  That is pretty much the definition of a mental health issue...



Yeah... WHATEVER!!! [8|]





LaTigresse -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 2:50:17 PM)

If I was responsible for a person (which I have been in the past) that was having problems dealing with their emotions and how they handled them, or the lack of ability to handle them........I would be hauling their ass in for professional help PRONTO.

I am no mental health professional. I do not have patience for grown adults tossing childish temper tantrums. It has proven to be MUCH more productive to allow the professionals to do what it is they've been trained to do.

Because where I come from, anyone tossing a childish tantrum gets punished and NOT in a fun way!




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 2:53:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

OMFG... swearing and slamming a door -- fucking call 911!!!  Are you fucking kidding me... this is what your "unstable" diagnosis is based on?!!  Get a flippin' clue.  Hint:  It's called being ANGRY and acting stupid -- something tens of millions of people do every day.  Immature?  Yes... but "unstable"?!!  GOOD GAWD... evidently REALITY seems to have escaped many.  Get angry, swear, slam a door and it's off to the nut-house?!!  Give me a fuckin' break!!! [8|]



...it is my opinion that a person who can not control and stabilize their anger is unstable.



Yeah, and it is my opinion that you shouldn't play quack internet psychologist -- alleging another is "unstable" for merely swearing and slamming a door.  Big fucking whoop... a brat. 

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...I'm in a Daddy/little girl dynamic, as are a couple of offline friends of mine.  None of us would consider it OK to scream and yell and slam doors, expecting someone else to pull us out of it when we're angry anymore than it was OK when we were kids.


Nor do I "consider it ok", but i also don't view this childish shit as being "unstable" -- just immature, and likely part of what draws her to the Power Dynamic... possibly her Master as well.  Dunno.  But fuck, can you BE anymore nonsensically dramatic about something as petty as some swearing and door slamming?!!  Didn't read anything here about her Master chastising her for the way she acts, which leads one to believe he's fine with it... just a part of their dynamic.  Again, she acts up... he comes to their rescue... and both are happy-pappy campers.  

Maybe you and yours don't act this way (and good for you all), but I have seen this many times with several Power Exchange pairings.  Granted, I find it silly as fuck, but this is part of the Power Dynamic for some. (shrugs)





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 3:00:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

Master has never expressed any problem with this.



And there we have it... her Master has no problem with ANY of this -- just as i suspected. [:)]





LaTigresse -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 3:02:45 PM)

Yet the silly bint came here to blah blah blah on about it like she was looking for advice or opinions or something!

God forbid people actually POST and give their opinion............regardless of what master thinks!




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 3:02:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

If I was responsible for a person (which I have been in the past) that was having problems dealing with their emotions and how they handled them, or the lack of ability to handle them........I would be hauling their ass in for professional help PRONTO.



Many likely would... but her Master apparently has no problem with any of this.  So again, it simply appears to be part of their dynamic.





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 3:10:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Yet the silly bint came here to blah blah blah on about it like she was looking for advice or opinions 



Advice? No.  Opinions? Yes.  From the OP:


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ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

My question is this: if I am my Master's creature, is it his place to pull me out of that sort of negative spiral when I can't myself?







angelikaJ -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 3:29:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

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Neither of us are very communicative because of various traumas we experienced in childhood. We cut each other some slack there. Things we should have learned or experienced in our formative years were never given the chance to develop. No, I am not mature in dealing with stress, highly emotional situations or extreme disappointment. I don't pretend to be. I am working on it. Yes, I am high-strung, driven, reactive, tempermental, obsessive and difficult. That's me. I don't think those necessitate a therapist though.


Thank you for the clarification, however, I think you are wrong about needing a therapist or counselor of some sort.

It is not just difficult but almost impossible to help yourself through childhood traumas alone. Two such people with similar traumas or traumas that have caused similar symptoms (lack of communication) will not do a very good job of helping each other, IMO. Not b/c you don't want to, but b/c there will be times you will both be too close to the issue.

BTW: There is nothing wrong with getting professional help when you need it. I have. I don't consider having therapy a weakness, on the contrary, not seeking help when I so obviously needed it would have been.



And to the OP, if you want to learn to manage things in a different way, then therapy is an excellent way to do that.
The trick is if it is something that you would have fixed on your own, if you could have, and haven't been able to then that is the right time to seek outside professional help.

Quite often we are so used to our own dysfunctions that we tend to say "Well, that's just the way I am." without considering the possibility that with the right tools we could behave in a more able way to cope with our stressors and that life could be so much easier for us and those in our lives. Learning better communication skills when someone is in relationships is a very useful thing that will serve all facets of your life. We all have relationships: at home, at work... . if communication is a weak point then it can make relating rather difficult and that too is another stressor.





anniezz338 -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/6/2011 8:37:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Asherscorp1

Yes, I am high-strung, driven, reactive, tempermental, obsessive and difficult. That's me.



I've found that if I tell myself I am things like this, I am right. I become my behavior. If I tell myself I am these things, ok, I'm this and that, now I have to deal with this and that, and do it over again later. Screw that.

I would never put those kind of labels on myself, it just sets me up for failure. Life's complicated enough. One thing about beating your head against the wall....it feels really good when you stop.




Asherscorp1 -> RE: Inappropriate expectations? (9/7/2011 7:22:08 AM)

I think it's impossible to fix your flaws without recognizing them. If I ONLY said, I am patient, kind, generous, compassionate and affectionate (all of which I also am) then I would just ignore all the times I'm not those things and I wouldn't address the negative.
Once again, wow, I don't know how this gets to be an issue for professional help. I mean, I could see if I was screaming (which I've already clarified I don't do) and being violent then of course that behavior had better stop immediately but, damn, I think the word "hissy fit" was used earlier and that seems appropriate. It's inconvenient, annoying but not the defining event for my life or my relationship or even my day. However, I do thank everyone for their responses. As I said before, it gives me a lot to consider and that's the reason for me being here in the first place, to get different perspectives.




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