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RE: HPV shots? - 10/25/2011 1:23:27 PM   
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My daughter who is now 20, had the shot when she was 19. She was at her gyn appt and decided on her own to get it. She's not had any problems that I'm aware of.



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RE: HPV shots? - 10/25/2011 1:27:15 PM   
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I think most of the concern about the HPV shot and other shots that have recently come onto the market is that their long-term effects have not been proven. A lot of people are afraid that ten years from now, medications that were pushed through the FDA quickly will turn out to be toxic or dangerous. I, personally, calculate the risks. I don't get flu shots, for example, but I do have a HPV shot.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/25/2011 3:22:44 PM   
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The HPV vaccine was not pushed through quickly--it went through the process that all vaccines go through before they are released on the market.  Adverse reactions can be found on every and any vaccine on the market, and you have to remember some things about reporting an adverse event--there is no "science" behind the reporting.  For example, I can call the hotline, report that I've gotten ill from a vaccine, and it is entered into the database.  I do not need a physician to document a direct linkage that the symptoms were directly related to the vaccine itself.  Also, adverse reactions run the gamut--soreness/redness at the injection site can be listed as an adverse event (called a "localized reaction") or they can be as severe as an allergic reaction. 

The number of adverse reactions may sound like a lot, but you only have half the picture--you have to consider how many vaccines were administered total, and the scope of those adverse reactions.  Also: I would stick to reputable sources--the CDC, FDA and MayoClinic all have accurate and up to date information on their websites.

Deciding whether or not one gets a vaccine is a decision best decided between a physician and patient after a careful, thoughtful and informed decision making process.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/25/2011 4:08:31 PM   
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I have two young girls and the doctor is asking me to start getting their hpv shots now.

I haven't decided although I'm leaning toward getting them.

Does anyone have actual information (read, peer reviewed actual facts rather than gossip) about why I should or should not do so?

Thanks so much!


My girls will be turning 11 and 9 in a few months. They won't be getting this vaccine.
I don't feel it's been on the market long enough to know what the long term effects may be.
Reading about the possible dangers of it, paired with the manufacturer being Merck and knowing how things worked out for them with Vioxx just makes my decision even firmer.
I'll take my chances and continue to be open and honest with my girls about how every choice they make when it comes to their bodies will have certain consequences.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/25/2011 5:07:23 PM   
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Here's the first 10 events reported to VAERS in 2011:

1. My daughter's hands and feet are red, purple, blue and white. We took her to the clinic, they said she should go to the ER. After running many tests and ruling out anything life threatening they said to follow up in the clinic. She is thought to have Raynaud's.

2. Fainting after injection and have been suffering severe anxiety and panic attacks ever since.

3. Information has been received from a register nurse, for GARDASIL a Pregnancy Registry product, concerning a 14 year old smoker female with depression, who on 12-AUG-2009 was vaccinated with the first dose of GARDASIL (Lot # unknown) and on 11-MAY-2010 with the second dose of GARDASIL (lot # 661531/1311Y). Suspect vaccine therapy included a dose of HEPATITIS A (manufacturer unknown). Other concomitant therapy included "depression medication". The nurse reported that the patient, requested an in-office pregnancy test afterwards which determined she was pregnant. The patient was reported to be 10 weeks pregnant. LMP approximately 28-FEB-2010, EDD approximately 06-DEC-2010). The patient sought unspecified medical attention. Follow-up information has been received from a completed questionnaire, concerning the 14 years old patient with anxiety. Patient's LMP was reported as 20-MAR-2010 and the EDD on 26-DEC-2010 (previously reported as 28-FEB-2010 and 06-DEC-2010 respectively). It was reported that that patient was taken LEXAPRO as concomitant therapy during the pregnancy. On 27-MAY-2010 the patient experienced a spontaneous abortion (<20 weeks). It was unknown if the product of conception was examined or if the fetus was normal. At the time of this report, the patient's outcome was unknown. Upon internal review, spontaneous abortion was considered to be an other important medical event. Additional information has been requested.

4. Information has been received from a physician, for GARDASIL, a Pregnancy Registry product, concerning a 20 year old female patient who on 29-JAN-2009 was vaccinated with the first dose of GARDASIL (No lot number provided). Subsequently the patient became pregnant after receiving GARDASIL. The patient's date of last menstrual period was approximately on 03-AUG-2009 and estimated delivery date is 20-MAY-2010. Series of GARDASIL was discontinued. Unspecified medical attention had been sought. Follow up information has been received from an obstetrical (OB) coordinator who reported that the patient's last GARDASIL was given to this patient on 29-JAN-2009 and her LMP prior to this pregnancy was in July 2009 (previously reported as "approximately on 03-AUG-2009"). This patient delivered twins in May 2010 via a scheduled cesarean section, due to Baby A being in breech position. The OB coordinator didn't know the exact gestational age, but stated the twins were at term, "so at least 38 weeks." She said the mother was doing well, but she could not tell me what the health of the babies was; she did not have any information related to the status of the twins. No further information is available.

5. Rash between fingers, inside arms, behind legs, around arm pit region and around hip bones. Rash hot to touch. Still spreading to other regions as of 1/3/2011.

6. Mother reports approx. 24 hours after receiving vaccine child reported having SOB, and heart palpitations. Mother picked up child from school then took him to a walk in urgent care clinic and that clinic referred them to the ER due to child c/o SOB. Mother states child was only there approx. 1 hour with 30 minutes of oxygen no other testing was done and child felt fine & was d/c'd.

7. Patient was seen on 11-4-10 at the Health Center at that time patient had urine preg test done which was negative. Gave last LMP as 10-15-10 - Pt then received VZV, TDAP, HVP return to clinic on 11-23-10 with positive pregnancy test report to Merck/Pregnancy Registry.

8. Extreme dizziness, severe headache, blackout in pe class, ringing in ears, itchiness all over her body, blurred vision. The rash symptoms lasted about 6 hours. The dizziness, headache and ringing continued without relief. In the span of 5 days patient was in two different ER's and was seen by her primary care Dr. twice.

9. Blood clot in left leg

10. Arm became numb and fingernails became cyanotic (bluish in color) for 18 hours. Used heating pad.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/26/2011 6:42:23 AM   
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This was a vaccine I was excited about coming out.  It's been a couple of years since I researched it but my advise would be to sit and talk to your doctor about your fears and task him/her to get you the information you need that specifically addresses your concerns.   I don't know the relationship you have with your doctor, but mine emailed me various links to look over and has always been very open and honest about pros and cons of any medical related decision.  In the end, both of my boys have been vaccinated.  The younger the better as it is, in my opinion, pointless to get it after one starts engaging in sexual pursuits.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/27/2011 10:08:48 AM   
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However, I read your criteria of 20 years. When I was a child polio was one of the scariest diseases to get. When that polio vaccine came out we all got our shots. If we had waited 20 years the polio epidemic would have stretched into the 1970s. How soon we forget about children in braces and the need for the iron lung.


Polio was already on the decline when the vaccine came out. At the time, it was a live virus and people actually GOT polio from the vaccine. From much of the documentation I read years ago, the vaccine actually extended the epidemic rather than shortened it because the vaccine introduced polio to people who didn't have it and before their bodies could produce the antibodies they were able to pass it.

I'm not anti-all vaccines, don't get me wrong. I think everyone needs to make their own decisions on vaccination and they need all the information they can get their hands on to make the decision.

My mother is a polio survivor so it isn't that I've forgotten about. She still has after effects from it.


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RE: HPV shots? - 10/28/2011 6:47:23 PM   
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Polio was already on the decline when the vaccine came out.


It may have been on the decline due to improved hygiene, but this wouldn't amount to a complete eradication. This eradication was achieved through mass vaccinations. The example of polio illustrates the dilemma with HPV vaccinations: when a condition is serious and widespread, the benefits of vaccinations clearly outweigh the risks (smallpox, polio). But HPV is not the case: the life-threatening outcome is rare. So, I would adopt the following risk management plan: HPV vaccination makes sense if a person to be vaccinated is likely to be sexually promiscuous (or have a sexually promiscuous partner). If not, I would wait until more data about side effects become available - as others pointed out, these vaccines are a new thing.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/28/2011 8:32:25 PM   
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Hi Kali

Again, please remember that what you have read on the VAERS is just one piece of the equation--it's what was reported by the either the patient or in some cases, a provider.  It is the first piece of the puzzle not the picture on the box.

I'll give you an example--the "rash".  There are literally hundreds (probably thousands) of causes of rash.  Could it be from the vaccine?  Sure it could.  It could also be from the milkshake they had on the way home from the doctor's office, the new medication that the person is taking (unrelated to the vaccine), the STD the person caught, the new laundry detergent--you name it.  It does not have to have an actual corrolation to be reported.

The 14-year old smoker who was pregnant.  I'm going to make some assumption here, but a 14 yo patient who is pregnant...and smoking....  the spontaneous abortion could have resulted from poor or no pre-natal care, malnutrition, drug use, smoking, and my god, the kid was 14!  Blame the vaccine?  Well, I'm not a betting man, but there's a lot more to that case than the vaccine.

The anxiety/fainting?  Not the vaccine contents I'd bet.  You would not believe how many grown adults I see who faint when they see shots being given...and have full on anxiety attacks.  Most, when interviewed, report that they had bad experiences as a child getting shots, and they never got over it. 

There are people who truly do experience adverse events that are a direct result from the vaccine--but I can tell you that adverse events that are truly caused by vaccines are not large in proportion to the numbers administered. 

Again, without a full case investigation, we know 1 percent of the picture with each case.   Folks are quick to blame the vaccine...and overlook some of the often more obvious causes of the medical complaint.  We had a patient call complaining that the vaccine we administered gave her a severe reaction.  From the initial info taken, it was a textbook severe allergic reaction.  Hives, swelling, troublebreathing etc.  Then, upon further questioning, patient was allergic to shellfish.....and guess where she was dining when the symptoms started?  Apparently someone went to Red Lobster for dinner after visiting the clinic in the afternoon.  But it was the vaccine, she insisted.  Not the shrimp on her boyfriend's plate that she admitted she had sampled something off of.

I could go on, but you get where I'm going with this.    Personally, if it were me or my children, I'd get the vaccine.  You have a choice--and you'll ultimately decide what's best for you and your kids, hopefully after a dialogue with your physician and not from reading the internet.

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RE: HPV shots? - 10/28/2011 10:24:25 PM   
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Polio was already on the decline when the vaccine came out. At the time, it was a live virus and people actually GOT polio from the vaccine. From much of the documentation I read years ago, the vaccine actually extended the epidemic rather than shortened it because the vaccine introduced polio to people who didn't have it and before their bodies could produce the antibodies they were able to pass it.



I was curious after reading what you wrote so did my own research. There were 35,000 polio cases in 1953, double the normal number that was expected each year in the US. Polio was considered to be in one of its epidemic phases. The polio innoculations contained inactivated (dead) polio viruses from the 3 types of polio. I am only speaking of the Salk vaccine which was the first innoculation that was safe and effective. Earlier vaccines by others did not prove to be effective. Innoculations with Dr Salk's vaccine began in 1955. By 1957 there were only 5,600 new cases and by 1961 there were 161 cases in the US. That seems to prove that the innocuations did work as polio had been a recurring epidemic throughout human history. The last case of naturally occuring polio in the US was in 1979. You are correct though that the oral polio vaccine does contain live but weakened virus and has in rare occasions given someone polio. Because of the slight risk, 1 chance ins 2.4 million, the OPV (oral polio vaccine) has been replaced by IPV, given as an injection in the US.

I also know people who suffered from polio. They had problems for their whole lives with various complications that happen after polio. I was born in 1951. As a small child I was always taken to the doctor when I had a fever. I was always aware that my parents were tense when I was ill. Now that I think back I feel it was the fear of polio that meant trips to the doctor for every fever.

However, even if I believe some vaccines are good, I am still not convinced that the HPV vaccine is necessary. As I said earlier, I am very glad I do not have to make such a huge decision as my children are all grown. By the time my grandkids are old enough to get this vaccine there should be more proof as to how effective it is and if there are major side effects.

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