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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:53:47 AM   
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You gain weight because you eat excessive calories due to a combination of poor diet habits and a lifestyle that isn't conducive to a healthy metabolism. Less than 1% of overweight people have thyroid problems. You find it difficult to lose weight because it requires consistent self-control. Don't worry, most women are the same.


How the fuck would you know? Beyond joking last night we've never even spoken and we've never met. For the fucking record I've lost 25 lbs and the weight is still coming off at a steady pace. My eating habits are fine and healthy, in fact I consume very little junk food. And YES I do have thyroid problems for which I'm on medication, I just don't use it as an excuse. Unless you are a doctor please don't spout out crap you have no clue on.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:57:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thyroid testing is one of the test that are under utilized, so there cannot be an accurate percentage of the population that has thyroid issues until all are tested.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:01:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		If my Biology lessons stuck the thyroid is a shit filter in the body. So it stands to reason that in an increasingly polluted/chemically driven world the thyroid will get overloaded or trashed, ergo more obesity.

Further. I did read a report that suggested a link between thyroid problems & long term pill usage.


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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:08:18 AM   
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If my Biology lessons stuck the thyroid is a shit filter in the body. So it stands to reason that in an increasingly polluted/chemically driven world the thyroid will get overloaded or trashed, ergo more obesity.

Further. I did read a report that suggested a link between thyroid problems & long term pill usage.



There is much that isn't understood in my opinion. I do believe you can see and find thyroid issues within family members quite often... though that is personal opinion more than a fact I have to share. Many in my family were tested and had thyroid issues.

Trying to trace it all back and what caused what... dna mutations? Lifestyle? Is difficult.

I do know that most doctors that would acknowledge certain illnesses like auto immune diseases and things like Fibromyalgia and CFS... often thought it pollution of one form or another. While I believe there are some aspects to it all that might appear to be this, the root of them may be far more complicated. I traced back family history and found someone that was a historical figure that had the same symptoms I have. I can guarantee... we didn't eat the same foods... even if we ate the same foods because they were prepared differently and life and all in the world were quite different.


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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:14:04 AM   
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If my Biology lessons stuck the thyroid is a shit filter in the body. So it stands to reason that in an increasingly polluted/chemically driven world the thyroid will get overloaded or trashed, ergo more obesity.

Further. I did read a report that suggested a link between thyroid problems & long term pill usage.



It also helps regulate metabolism. Hence if it works too well the person loses weight. If it doesn't work well the person gains weight.


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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:17:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		But the metabolism slows with age so ergo middle aged spread. So hey ho we are all normal.

Nothing to see here move on.
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If my Biology lessons stuck the thyroid is a shit filter in the body. So it stands to reason that in an increasingly polluted/chemically driven world the thyroid will get overloaded or trashed, ergo more obesity.

Further. I did read a report that suggested a link between thyroid problems & long term pill usage.



It also helps regulate metabolism. Hence if it works too well the person loses weight. If it doesn't work well the person gains weight.




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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:19:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		This whole question is just kind of silly.

Let's be real. People like what they like. Some people are loud and obnoxious about their opinions of fat people and other people are classy and keep their opinions to themselves.

If they do not like something, say fat people, then they have a right to not like them. They have a right to free speech, but the real question is about tact.

Wondering whether these same people have prejudices or preferences in other areas is of no concern to me.

I find that people who make fun of those whose physical characteristics are not to their liking are simply assholes, therefore not worth any moment of speculation on my part. I believe that most people who cannot shut up about how they hate this or that kind of person, do it out of 3 things: fear, frustration and self loathing. If you possessed none of those things, you would never feel the need to bash on people you were not attracted to.

We are never going to change anyone; we can only change the way that we, personally, respond to things.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:20:49 AM   
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Yes.

The "Walmartians" stuff you see on the internet is a good example. Since when did it become okay to laugh loudly and point? Evidtently it is okay to laugh at fat people, society's clowns. Sure, some of them are seriously appalling---the gal who didnt have a shirt but had her hooters tucked into her hiked-up pants? yeah.

Of course, most of that laughter is pointed at women.




So, while you are pretending to defend them you are also pointing and laughing.

Remind me if I spelled hypocrite correctly.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:23:17 AM   
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Dumbasses fat bashing, fat people getting their granny panties wadded and defending their fat. Used to be fat people rah rahing themselves. Fat people that are losing rah rahing their efforts. Health nuts trying to be 'helpful'. Yada yada yada...

Same feces, different day.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:27:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I appreciate you posting this thread and even as it became a dialog about the nature of obesity & our current medical understanding of it vs. popular stereotypes, I wanted to thank you for your posts and tell you how much I appreciate what you're going through.

In addition to other problems (shoulder cuff, back problems) I have a friend who has/had Graves disease also, for years, I knew of her as a model and she was tall & lean. I don't know if she ever developed a goiter, but after her diagnosis, they were treating her hyperthyroidism, and she went from hyper - to hypo just like you said. And the pounds just started piling on.

But there are a lot more diseases (AND medications) that are culprits. The piece I keep posting here from Scientific American, both note that in the study, both those exposed to the virus and those not, were FED THE SAME AMOUNT, and yet the ones with the virus gained weight. Same caloric intake.

I will end it with a quote from the article that I think goes to the heart of the matter, especially with those who are so vehemently opposed to the belief that weight can be attributed to other things other than that people "turn into great, big slobs"

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Next up for study, Dhurandhar says, is the exact mechanism by which a virus could lead to obesity. This, in turn, might lead to a vaccine that could prevent Ad-36 infections. "We hope to identify the gene or genes that could be responsible for its adiposic effect," he explains. "The long-term goal is to see if we can prevent adenovirus-induced obesity."

Whether or not hand-washing will help with weight management remains to be determined. But two researchers shared a Nobel Prize this past year for their work in uncovering the bacterial root of some ulcers after years of consensus that stress caused the uncomfortable stomach affliction. "It makes people feel more comfortable to think that obesity stems from lack of control," Whigham adds. "It's a big mental leap to think you can catch obesity."


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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:30:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ninebelowzero

If my Biology lessons stuck the thyroid is a shit filter in the body. So it stands to reason that in an increasingly polluted/chemically driven world the thyroid will get overloaded or trashed, ergo more obesity.

Further. I did read a report that suggested a link between thyroid problems & long term pill usage.



That's nice except obesity started rapidly across the west, predominantly in the Southern USA, not in the most polluted areas of the world like the Indian subcontinent, LA, Detroit etc. You don't seem to understand the simple concept that obesity is caused by diet, and other hormonal issues are symptoms of this, not causes.


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How the fuck would you know? Beyond joking last night we've never even spoken and we've never met. For the fucking record I've lost 25 lbs and the weight is still coming off at a steady pace. My eating habits are fine and healthy, in fact I consume very little junk food. And YES I do have thyroid problems for which I'm on medication, I just don't use it as an excuse. Unless you are a doctor please don't spout out crap you have no clue on.


I know because nearly all fat people are the same. Your problem is ignorance/stupidity, as your post demonstrates. You don't know the first thing about food and jump to all sorts of obscure medical conclusions that conveniently happen to alleviate you of responsibility. Eating properly doesn't mean avoiding junk food, it means consuming equal or fewer calories than you expend and keeping to a suitable ratio of macronutrients pre-determined by our evolution. I eat junk food, and I drink cola regularly, and yet I'm shredded. You think that's genetics? No it's because I know exactly how much I eat. You can either believe what makes you feel better or what actually works.

This thread is kinda sad. It's essentially a bunch of overweight people discussing possible reasons why their weight isn't their fault, and one normal person explaining dietary responsibility. Go figure.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:30:33 AM   
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But the metabolism slows with age so ergo middle aged spread.



I truly believe that is a myth.

People tend to be less active as they age for different reasons and that is where the weight gain comes from.

For some it is physical disability, but for most it is laziness.



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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:31:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I loved your post here, in principle. I agree, that typically the types that do go on a "rant-rampage" are driven by something deeper & darker in themselves, NOT the person at the focus of their ire. Well-said.

OT:
I'm also a huge Anais Nin fan, so thanks for sharing a quote I haven't heard before.

Is Henry & June a good movie in your estimation?

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:32:43 AM   
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But the metabolism slows with age so ergo middle aged spread. So hey ho we are all normal.

Nothing to see here move on.


Well not necessarily. It is worthwhile to see whether the thyroid is working. It's a simple blood test.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:33:38 AM   
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I mean really prove your hypothesis is any more valid than mine.
You can't because that's all it is hypothesis. who's to say the metabolic rate is the primer for overeating rather than food being the root cause.

Hard data please.

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If my Biology lessons stuck the thyroid is a shit filter in the body. So it stands to reason that in an increasingly polluted/chemically driven world the thyroid will get overloaded or trashed, ergo more obesity.

Further. I did read a report that suggested a link between thyroid problems & long term pill usage.



That's nice except obesity started rapidly across the west, predominantly in the Southern USA, not in the most polluted areas of the world like the Indian subcontinent, LA, Detroit etc. You don't seem to understand the simple concept that obesity is caused by diet, and other hormonal issues are symptoms of this, not causes.


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How the fuck would you know? Beyond joking last night we've never even spoken and we've never met. For the fucking record I've lost 25 lbs and the weight is still coming off at a steady pace. My eating habits are fine and healthy, in fact I consume very little junk food. And YES I do have thyroid problems for which I'm on medication, I just don't use it as an excuse. Unless you are a doctor please don't spout out crap you have no clue on.


I know because nearly all fat people are the same. Your problem is ignorance/stupidity, as your post demonstrates. You don't know the first thing about food and jump to all sorts of obscure medical conclusions that conveniently happen to alleviate you of responsibility. Eating properly doesn't mean avoiding junk food, it means consuming equal or fewer calories than you expend and keeping to a suitable ratio of macronutrients pre-determined by our evolution. I eat junk food, and I drink cola regularly, and yet I'm shredded. You think that's genetics? No it's because I know exactly how much I eat. You can either believe what makes you feel better or what actually works.

This thread is kinda sad. It's essentially a bunch of overweight people discussing possible reasons why their weight isn't their fault, and one normal person explaining dietary responsibility. Go figure.



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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:38:27 AM   
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I loved your post here, in principle. I agree, that typically the types that do go on a "rant-rampage" are driven by something deeper & darker in themselves, NOT the person at the focus of their ire. Well-said.

OT:
I'm also a huge Anais Nin fan, so thanks for sharing a quote I haven't heard before.

Is Henry & June a good movie in your estimation?


Thanks. I believe these rants are a product of vast frustration. This is what usually happens: guy writes girl. girl says not interested, or worse, girl ignores guy's email; guy gets pissed, guy lashes out with, you are just a fat bitch, blah, blah, blah, ignoring the obvious fact that guy wrote fat girl in the first place, or, if girl is not fat, he reverts back to junior high where the worst insult he could come up with is fat. Snooze.

As for whether I thought Henry and June is a good movie; I have not seen it in years, but I recall liking the vibe; I think it was a bit overwrought, but I like that kind of thing in a move.

The quote is atypical of the standard Nin quotes normally used, but it was Eduardo who said it and I think it makes sense. :)

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:42:41 AM   
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Prove it.
I mean really prove your hypothesis is any more valid than mine.
You can't because that's all it is hypothesis. who's to say the metabolic rate is the primer for overeating rather than food being the root cause.

Hard data please.


Don't hold your breath sweetie. He's too busy deliberately misunderstanding what people post and making himself feel better.

Hey whatever, I know I'm steadily losing weigh eating the way I do. Oh and for the record I'd rather snuggle with an awesome teddy bear like you than a "ripped" man like him who has shown he lacks humanity.

wee typo

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:46:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Likewise with yourself rather than the emaciated fucktards like that Hilton bird.

what he forgets or little realises is that we all get battle scars of one form or another. He's just a tenderfoot alone in the wilds.

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Prove it.
I mean really prove your hypothesis is any more valid than mine.
You can't because that's all it is hypothesis. who's to say the metabolic rate is the primer for overeating rather than food being the root cause.

Hard data please.


Don't hold your breath sweetie. He's too busy deliberately misunderstanding what people post and making himself better.

Hey whatever, I know I'm steadily losing weigh eating the way I do. Oh and for the record I'd rather snuggle with an awesome teddy bear like you than a "ripped" man like him who has shown he lacks humanity.



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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:50:46 AM   
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Yanno...I've been thinking about this. I've been overly thin and I've been over weight. The only time I can remember getting comments about my weight was when I was too thin.

At this point in life I am really feeling good about my fitness and size. If anyone says anything I am oblivious to it. Yesterday I hiked about 10 miles with 20ish pounds of photography year and then, an additional 10ish pound of geodes on the last 5.

My daughter is grossly obese and has been since her early teens. I've never heard anyone say anything say anything snarky to her. She dated, she married, and has two lovely little girls. As far as I know, the only commentary has been from her doctors and most of all, herself. I honestly believe that the worst comes from herself. And, the assumption that others are thinking or feeling what she herself does. An awful lot of projection on her part. Certainly I want her to be thinner for her health. She is barely past the 30 mark and suffering the ill effects of her weight. I love her and want her around for a very long time.

So yeah, while I do know that weight seems to be one of the last okay 'ism's, I also think that it gets magnified by the inner chatter of the fat person. A vicious circle for sure.


Similar situation here.

I cycled 15miles every day last week. Up hill and down dale.

My daughter is 3 stone over weight at least and today I insisted that she and my grandaughter came cycling with me. Not for an arduous ride, but to get out and about, be active and enjoy the mild autumnal weather.( It's so pretty here in the UK at the moment with the trees all in various shades of gold and red)

Poor old Em struggled up some of the inclines, so we all stopped and walked a bit until she got underway again. As we walked, she talked." God, I'm so unfit Mama. I bloody well lay about far too much!" When I cycled behind her she chuckled and said "Now you can see my fat arse". She KNOWS she's too fat and that it hampers all sorts of things. She can't dress how she'd like which frustrates her as she loves all things girly and has a wicked style, all her own. (Unlike her mother).

She's had two strokes, the first occured well before she was fat, but being fat and unfit is certainly only going to exacerbate. She's got a wonderful man who is slim, handsome and extremely fit who loves her to bits. She's pretty, funny, ethusiastic and one of the kindest people I know. She's always there for anyone in need in a way that I never could be.

Like you, I want her to be around for all of my life. I love her so much it's almost painful. I want her to have a life full of health and happiness but the one thing I cannot do for her is give her SELF motivation. HER inner voice is hard on her, no-one else is. I am not going to add to that, but I also won't tell her that she's *ok* as she is........because she isn't. If she can't cycle 5 miles, she's not ok. Not at 27yrs old.

It doesn't matter to her, or to me what other people *think* as she's never had people being beastly to her about being big and I've no idea why it happens to other people. Sometimes I think that it's where people carry their weight. My daughter is totally in proportion and curvy, big bum, big boobs, smaller waist. The *apple* shape just looks more *fat* as the weight tends to be all in the middle.

Just to add......Quite a few people mention liking a bigger partner, a bit of meat on the bones......then go on to highlight the OTHER end of the spectrum........*skinny, thin and gaunt, not wanting to be stabbed by bones, afraid of breaking them* and so on. Really folks, there's RAFTS of really rather average people out there that are neither fat nor rail thin. It's not one or t'other.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 11:54:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		See here's the thing. Mmm'ok back a few Lamborgini recalled a Diablo for a strip down to work out why a car that should do 188mph was only hitting 150mph. Now the engineers all sat round & they realised not one person understood how the damned engine worked in total.

So an internal combustion engine is dead simple I mean spray squeeze bang blow is easy peazy innit.
so how can anyone be cock sure how a more complex engine such as a human being work?

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