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Primal Rewards - 5/25/2006 7:42:24 PM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		I have a bit of a conundrum, I love primal play, have experience in it, know how to limit myself against my mistress so she always had the upper hand, ect.

My problem is, that on the off chance I should ever win in primal play [it is more fun if she wins after all] , I haven't really thought of a good reward system should the sub ever defeat the domme. With past mistresses the reward was typically something sexual, however that is not an option in this case. So in the rule of two heads are better than one...or rather, a few hundred are better then one, what would be your ideas for a prize the sub would fight for in primal play?

-Tiger.

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/25/2006 8:37:16 PM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		P.S. This dosent have to be just for primal play, what sort of prize would you give your sub even if he just did something good for you lets say?  Just looking for options.

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/25/2006 11:38:11 PM   
ArchangelMichael


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Status: offline 		What do you mean by primal play exactly? I did once do an animal roleplay scene as a lion with my former submissive who roleplayed as a bunny who was caught by me. Would you consider that primal play? Or do you mean struggling and resistance in general?


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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/25/2006 11:57:24 PM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		Primal play is rough play basically, fighting for everything, it can vary in levels and actions from person to person. Some enjoy the act of fighting coupled with sensuality, or with subs like me, who end up losing most times by choice, I like the feeling of being conqured, its kind of a rush. Just kinda hard to find dommes who are tough enough that I can play more fully with them.

Your roleplay to me I wouldent consider primal play.

< Message edited by Rumtiger -- 5/25/2006 11:59:34 PM >

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/26/2006 7:58:13 AM   
Proprietrix


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Status: offline 		I have a friend who is a female Dominant. She gets into wrestling with her subs. And like you, she believes she should be the winner of each match.I don't agree. She and I have gone round and round about this. (Although I'm unsure why. I personally have no problem with how she does things, but she seems to want to convert me or something.) She actually gets kind of pissy and mad if her sub overpowers her on the mat.

Living in a household where wrestling is a pretty normative thing, (teenage son and umpteen friends who are on the team and plan to go "pro"), I have difficulty playing with a guy who wants me to win. It's kind of like "What's the point?" I enjoy the challenge. I enjoy the take-downs and holds, whether he's doing them or I'm doing them. For him to "wimp out" and "let me win" is kind of insulting. Win some. Lose some. Enjoy the game, not the belt.
Ok, maybe we take wrestling a bit too seriously in my home.
Or maybe it's that when I'm wrestling, I'm not thinking D/s play. (Keeping myself from digressing here.)
Even in other types of primal play (if I were to engage in them), I 1) would not want the sub to "give in and let me win" and 2) there probably wouldn't be a reward issued anyway. Because, like I said, it's about the game, not the prize.

So hypothetically thinking here... say I'm going to do a rape scene with my sub. I'm going to subdue him, and I don't know, fuck him with X object. (Plunger came to mind, but I didn't want to get off on a safety tangent.) If I win... my prize is his ass. If he wins.. his prize is his lack of victimization. We're not going to set a cookie on the mantle and the winner gets the cookie. The purpose of our role play would have been to enjoy the roleplay.

I can't wrap my head around most roleplay anyway though. It feels theatrical and fake to me. Him "letting me win" would make it feel even more so.

Maybe I totally read your question wrong. Who knows. At least I tried to answer. lol

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/26/2006 8:48:42 AM   
iliv2servher


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

I love primal play, have experience in it, know how to limit myself against my mistress so she always had the upper hand, ect.

My problem is, that on the off chance I should ever win in primal play [it is more fun if she wins after all] , I haven't really thought of a good reward system should the sub ever defeat the domme.



I think Proprietrix summed it up perfectly when she said, "For him to "wimp out" and "let me win" is kind of insulting."

I don't believe that any domme wants to have her authority challenged.  On the other hand, why would anyone, domme and sub alike, want recognition for a win that they did not rightfully earn? 

But if you have an understanding between the two if you that it's OK for you to win sometimes, then why not let her make the decision as to what her reward would be...or what your reward would be?


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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/27/2006 2:16:58 AM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		Its not that I just give up the win, its that sometimes its fun to lose, that dosent mean I just lay on my back and surrender in primal play, I still fight back and have fun with it, not to mention that I make it fair by lowering my level down to match my mistress and I maintain that level, if I go at her with all I got, it is doubtful she would last 20 seconds.

But this isent about letting one side lose or not, after all, there should be some kind of prize the sub is fighting for, that kind of positive motivation, for the sake of clarity lets not think of this in the context of a rape scene and have it as jsut casual play, where teh sub does get soemthing a little extra.

And by the way, I do speak with her on such things, I just figured it would be nice to have some other ideas as well, I dont go over her head.

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- Quentin Tarantino.

If they cant take a joke, fuck em.
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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/28/2006 11:00:02 AM   
Bluebird


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Status: offline 		OK Tiger - 20 seconds?  I told you already I cheat, so maybe I couldn't go 10 rounds, but you would be hurting even if you win and it will take a hell of a lot longer than 20 seconds!
 
But seriously - ladies - he and I have spoken about this at some length, and there needs to be a "penalty" to me (or reward to him) if I lost, otherwise where is our incentive to try?  I am HIGHLY competitive and I am not asking him to "let me win".  However, sexual favors are out of the question, as that is not the nature of our relationship.  I doubt highly that he wants a cookie, so I asked him to suggest his reward - although of COURSE I reserve the right to approve or disapprove.  I have my own ideas if he doesn't come up with something I like, but I am not an "ALL KNOWING - ALL POWERFUL" domme - I do like input :-)

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/28/2006 11:52:08 AM   
MistressSassy66


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Status: offline 		Okay 1 idea was he gives You an OTK spanking,whacks can depend on minutes it took to pin You,maybe that wouldnt work if it took awhile...lol

2nd thought You could do some kind of a bowing thing.

3rd idea You just simply plant 1 kiss on his butt...clothed as You said its not sexual.

Not sure if those ideas are what you are looking for.But I would not ever want to have to do any of them,and they would be incentive for Me to win.


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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/28/2006 11:08:42 PM   
MissAbby


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bluebird
 However, sexual favors are out of the question, as that is not the nature of our relationship.  I doubt highly that he wants a cookie, so I asked him to suggest his reward - although of COURSE I reserve the right to approve or disapprove. 


I know he doesn't want a cookie, but I like the idea of a scoop of icecream in a dog dish that he has to lick up. 

Also it could be whip cream licked off a dildo with a cherry on top.  But that might be too much of a punishment! 

I just like the "licking" idea... it goes along with primal play. 

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/29/2006 1:25:33 AM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		some ice cream on aforementioned cookie would be nice...or some chocholate bread pudding.



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Fuck the Pandas!
-Moi

Mmm, I love me some kickboxers, you know why? Cause ya'll cant take a punch!
- Quentin Tarantino.

If they cant take a joke, fuck em.
-Tucker Max

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RE: Primal Rewards - 5/29/2006 2:02:11 AM   
Wulfchyld


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Status: offline 		According to Rum's profile he loves to give message, sounds like a fair prize to me. If he looses he gets to do "no strings housework" or anything else on his don't like list. Of course he will fight harder against his don't like list, so I think it is fare her would get to go bare-knuckle balls to the wall fight club and you get a measly STUN GUN!!!

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