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We Have AWESOME Ideas... Right now the Idea I am proliferating is eye witness participation:
http://www.livestream.com/occupyatlanta?utm_source=website-channel-page&utm_medium=related
Yeah, wow, fuck-a-doodle-doo. I had a bunch of shit I wanted to donate. SO I registered w/ OA. No confiming email. SO I sent an email to the IT "Team" asking if they could see their way clear to send the email. Not a fucking peep.
I had such high hopes, but the retarded youth of Suburbia have taken root. The message is getting lost in all the chaff.
Me on OccupyTogether:
" "Today I was with some retired women that I have known for some time and they wanted to know what OWS was all about. Every time I explained from my perspective or from the running themes in these forums it did not sink in. I talked of corporate influence in politics, which they didn't really argue with. Then when I said there was such a disparity in income and that 1% owned 40% of the wealth. They said, "So you want to take money from people that have earned it." or "this country is getting very much like socialism," or "they look like a bunch of freeloaders." The thing is they agreed with me when I said how about getting back to true democracy as in "we the people, for the people, by the people,"..."
Way back in the Day, when I was a little Hippieling, there was a movement to get the US out of Viet Nam. There were, as most are aware, some simultaneous movements, such as legalizing weed, the beginnings of the Green movement, and so on. There was also the Civil Rights movement, which preceeded the Antiwar movement. But it was the Antiwar movement which eventually galvanized much of the country.
The message was simple, and on point: US out of Viet Nam. Once that was accomplished, then our energies could be focused on the rest of the issues. I was certainly concerned about the war, since my draft number was 8 and I most certainly would have ended up taking an extended vacation in beautiful SE Asia. They wuz lookin' for me, they wuz. I wuz a draft-dodger. And protester. Got myself tear-gassed in D.C., I did.
Point is, in my aged and pre-Alzheimer's opinion, there should be a single, simple message, that people can affirmatively respond to. As Betsy noted above, many people have no idea why people are gathering in Central Business District public spaces around the country.
I believe that the number one priority is to get the corrupting influence of money out of Washington (and all the State Capitols as well). I think that there is no possibility of peaceful evolutionary change without first achieving that goal. I don't think most folks would deny that there is a gross wealth distribution inequality in our country. But that has never occured, at any time in History, without the wealthy being able to influence the government. In Rome the Patricians owned the Senate. In Athens a very select group of Citizens controlled the "Democratic" process. In pre-revolutionary France it was the Nobility, and before that, the Catholic Church.
And Russia? Holy cow,...
"Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich: Establishes the Ulozhenic {law code} of 1649;
Statute of limitations is extended to 9 years,,,then to 15 years,,,then eliminated;
Peasants are declared to be serfs. {chapter 11 of the code}; Serfs are forbidden to move away from the land holder on whose land they currently live; Serfs are no longer allowed to testify in court; If a non-serf marries a serf, he/she automatically becomes a serf; Children born of serfs are automatically serfs; Serfs are now, for all intents & purposes, the "property" of the land holder. Ulozhenic Law also restricts people who reside in towns to the town, & to their current occupation.
I think it's beyond the scope of this discussion to recap how the Nobility became the Nobility, and Feudalism, and all that, good people. The point is is that wealth, corruption, and oppression have always been best of friends. And it is the wealth that fuels the corruption and oppression.
Remove the wealth from the equation, and then we can go about the redressing the wrongs that have been perpetrated upon us.
I agree with virtually all of The 99% Declaration; as a first draft it is fantastic (it contains redundancies, and needs some judicious editing, I think). However, I believe that there needs to be a very simple theme initially: Money Out Of Politics! (US Out Of Viet Nam!)
Obtain affirmative answers...
"Ma'am, do you think that Washington is corrupt?"
"Why, yes!"
"Do you think that there's just too much money in Washington, that's causing all the corruption?"
"I sure do, young man. Anybody ever tell you you have a nice smile?"
"Well, thank you ma'am. Would you like to try and put an end to all that corruption?"
"Of course I would. Nice legs, too..."
"Thank you, ma'am. I want to do the same thing. That's why I'm supporting the OccupyWallStreet Movement. They want the same thing that you and I do."
"Pretty eyes, too. Wanna go dancin' tonight, young fellow?"
"GRANDMA!!!!"...
I'm convinced that, if the money isn't taken out of Politics first, nothing will change.
THEN we work on strengthening the Unions, increasing the minimum wage, forgiving student loans, getting people back in their foreclosed homes, reducing the military, building high-speed rail, putting Single-Payer health care in place, and so on and et cetera.
Just my thinking on the matter."
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