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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:11:50 PM   
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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:12:21 PM   
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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:12:39 PM   
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Shhh... play along with Moons delusions, just for fun

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You must have missed the posts where Moon was claiming that the rioters are going after Obama?


Nope, not at all. I havent seen them complain about anything beyond the 1% and corporate greed.

Are you going to deny that Wall Street owns Washington?


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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:15:59 PM   
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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:23:29 PM   
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Now enjoy the show as the silly boy spins round and round...

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Everybody else who lives outside of your head did, so that's hardly surprising.


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Quite.
That's why the OWS lot are kicking off with him in the whitehouse, innit?


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They're going after him a lot harder than they did the chimp.


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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:24:33 PM   
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Do you deny that Wall Street owns Washington?

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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:31:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't quite know how this turned into a discussion about OWS and the feds, when it started out being about the sorry condition of the states, but so be it.
Occupying every public park in the country is not going to fix the mess that California has gotten themselves into.  Neither are the feds, since they haven't indicated any willingness or ability to bail out the states.  It also seems like lunacy (or is it Sanity?) to blame public employee unions, at least entirely.  The legislature appears to have been pretty on board with the whole thing.


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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:35:14 PM   
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Sorry taz, I tend to ignore stupid questions. Wall Street doesnt own Washington, or anything else. Its not a person. Its not corporation  either, its a street.

I dont deny that Obama is in bed with Goldman Sachs, big unions (hence semisweets OP), Jeffrey Immelt and GE, Solyndra etc etc etc

Individual congressmen and senators and so on have to be judged on their own merits of course


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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the state legislatures are in on it, and have been from the beginning. They climbed on board and got burned in the end. Now they are looking to get out of the oven on the backs of the middle class.

Any dispute?

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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:40:28 PM   
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Sorry taz, I tend to ignore stupid questions. Wall Street doesnt own Washington, or anything else. Its not a person. Its not corporation either, its a street.



Corporations are legally considered a person.
Corporations are what make up Wall Street.
Corporations send lobbyists to DC to ensure Corporations get what they want.
Corporations have been known to write legislation.

It was a stupid question, for a dishonest man who cant get a spine and open his eyes.

I envy your red colored glasses.

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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:47:53 PM   
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Theyre all individual corporations and individual people taz.

Your broad sweeping statements may make nice soundbites for the ignorant OWS crowds, but they fall flat in reality.


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Sorry taz, I tend to ignore stupid questions. Wall Street doesnt own Washington, or anything else. Its not a person. Its not corporation either, its a street.



Corporations are legally considered a person.
Corporations are what make up Wall Street.
Corporations send lobbyists to DC to ensure Corporations get what they want.
Corporations have been known to write legislation.

It was a stupid question, for a dishonest man who cant get a spine and open his eyes.

I envy your red colored glasses.


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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:52:43 PM   
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Theyre all individual corporations

That co-ordinate their legislative efforts through things like ALEC. You do know what ALEC is don't you?

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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 2:53:44 PM   
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he benefits were(are) part of their compensation.
There was nothing FREE about their health care.
They are be asked to take a pay cut or made to,is what this is.
This blame the unions thing is total republican bullshit.


The two soft-fooders are classic "I got mine... now fuck the rest of ya"
What does Az produce besides some agriculture, an easily re-locatable aerospace industry and like maybe silk screen T-shirts that say "I'm with stupid"?
   Any objections to just handing the whole fucking mess back to mexico? Maybe we could swap it for a couple million gallons of good tequila and some decent mexican porn.



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RE: California AND bust - 11/8/2011 4:07:54 PM   
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Theyre all individual corporations

That co-ordinate their legislative efforts through things like ALEC. You do know what ALEC is don't you?




I suddenly realized he is a lost cause about all this.

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RE: California AND bust - 11/9/2011 6:10:48 AM   
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Read the article, which is the topic of this thread, instead of just talking out of your ass.   I think the article explains it rather well.  Since you didn't and I haven't noticed that you are particularly interested in informing yourself,, I will happily summarize it for you, in short, declarative sentences, just like the bumper stickers where you seem to get most of your political and financial ideas.   You are welcome

The officially recognized gap between what the state would owe its workers and what it had on hand to pay them was roughly $105 billion, but that, thanks to accounting gimmicks, was probably only about half the real number.
Let's use the optimistic figure.
The population of CA is 37,253,956
Meaning the additional revenue that would have to be "raised" is $2818.48 for every  man, woman, and child, just to cover pensions.
CA has a system in place that makes it difficult to increase taxes.
I doubt voters are going to go for removing that system, just to meet pension obligations.  Perhaps you disagree. 

The "jackpot" remark refers to the common practice of retiring, and then taking a private sector job.  You can call it something else, if you want.
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quote]ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk


Nice commercial that went with putting down Issue 2 here. People didn't and don't become social workers, firefighters, policemen or teachers to become wealthy. They realize when they take the job it is only going to pay x amount and that x amount is going to be pretty much the same for 30 years.

Where the fuck does this "jackpot" you talk about happen? Any proof or just blowing shit out of your piehole again



Since you always want to sit there and wring your hands and blame someone else for problems I will point out again that the solution is to create additional revenues. Whether you do that by increasing taxes or employment it doesn't matter. What does matter is sitting there blaming a portion of the population for the ills of the whole thing.

Can hide your head in the sand all you want. Facts still remain. Wanna name a teacher or firefighter that is on Forbes list of Richest people? Oh yeah, fucking jackpot isn't that full of gold is it......

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RE: California AND bust - 11/9/2011 6:28:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of lost causes. Or, yngBlk, you could just ignore the facts and pretend the whole thing isn't happening. Oh, and act like an asshole when someone points things out. That is evidently your personal solution to things, so good luck to you. I am sure the teacher's pension fund where ever you live will be happy to accept donations, if you want to help them "raise revenues." I think the more likely scenario is that more and more municipalities will be filing Chapter 9s, and Congress will be dreaming up a way for states to go bankrupt. I don't know a whole lot of people who would be willing to have their taxes raised more for the purpose of paying pensions. In terms of creating jobs, the only way that is going to happen is if the Feds decide to invest in a lot of infrastructure, or American companies are given incentives not to ship their jobs overseas.
You know, just because it is bad news and you don't want to hear it doesn't mean it isn't true.

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RE: California AND bust - 11/9/2011 6:57:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Californians would be facing financial problems in their state and local governments if a pension fund had never existed or been invented.

They have the youngest population in the US, most of who are Hispanic first and second generations kids, and who don't want to spend their lives as ag serfs in the San Fernado Valley, they have a whole "manana" culture regarding any sense of responsibility paying for the things they expect their governments to do, they are facing a serious demographic regional shift to the urban coastal centers, and they imported so many illegal immigrants to build clapboard McMansions all over hell and back (many of which are sitting out in the boondocks being stripped by tweekers with foreclosure signs in their yards) which were funded by the same subprime criminals who robed every pension fund and savings accout in the US, that with the boom over (and there will likely be no new construction worth talking about for a generation) their social and educational services which deliberately served as health care and unemployment compensation for the illegal immigrants  are bursting at the seams dealing with the children and families while the criminal justice system is overwhelmed dealing with the former's failings.

They need to raise taxes or wack services, and the only sector they haven't trimmed already are the cops and the prisons.

Then toss in a crumbling infrastructure, a constitutional right to water, where coastal  city have laws requiring you water your grass lawn and keep your swimming pools filled while farmers are starved for water, and where now they have to look at buying  the stuff from Mexico

Ad a ten percent official unemployment rate, a rural flight to the coast of both people, capital  and jobs.

The public employees pensions are the least of their troubles, that could be solved in a few years.

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RE: California AND bust - 11/9/2011 7:01:19 AM   
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You believe kens vast conspiracy theory, taz?

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Theyre all individual corporations

That co-ordinate their legislative efforts through things like ALEC. You do know what ALEC is don't you?




I suddenly realized he is a lost cause about all this.


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RE: California AND bust - 11/9/2011 7:08:04 AM   
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RE: California AND bust - 11/9/2011 7:17:55 AM   
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This is not a "banker" issue.

Firm




The severe drop in both corporate and, far more drastically, personal incomes are a direct result of the major financial deregulation acts occurring in 1999 and 2000 at the behest of BANKERS, you twit. Government revenues are based primarily on income, then transaction ("sales") taxes, all still based on overall income levels. Take however many weeks you need for that to sink in.

Pension plans based on any previously reasonable estimate of revenues, public or private, were destroyed in consequence of this action by the BANKERS.

It is quite unfortunate that the Constitution does not have any provision for citizens to vote the likes of idiots such as yourself and Willbe completely out of the damn country.

Anything properly called a "Patriot Act" would have addressed the issue thuswise.






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