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RE: Depression - 5/27/2006 9:10:08 PM

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Well, I'm still doing much better than I was yesterday - so no recurrances.

As soon as I have insurance, I think I will try to find some sort of therapy that my insurance will pay at least part of. Otherwise, I'm pretty well screwed for now ... unless rob and Holly start making a ton more money really soon.

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RE: Depression - 5/27/2006 10:18:24 PM

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I wish you well as you are going through a very emotional time. I have dealt with depression off and on for years as well as anxiety, and am very thankful that my doctor worked with me and found a medication and dosage that worked for me. I have a serotonin imbalance, as well as a previous poster, and do not think badly of my needing to take medicine any more than I would think badly of a diabetic who needs to take insulin.

When you can, seek the advice of a qualified medical professional and be very honest with your medical and emotional history so that he or she can better assist you.

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RE: Depression - 5/27/2006 10:27:41 PM

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For the record, my not wanting to go on medication isn't about any stigma I feel it will attach to me ... I just honestly feel like I don't always need it, and knowing that medications like anti-depressants require long term use to be affective just bothers me when I think about using them for my transient episodes. I'd have to be on them all the time, even though I don't feel like I need them all the time - and that's $$ that we just don't have right now.
That's why I tried SAM-e first ... that has multiple benifits besides just the mood leveling, so I don't feel so bad about taking it every day - it also doesn't have side effects (as long as I remember to take my b-complex suppliment).

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RE: Depression - 5/28/2006 8:23:18 AM

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I take Prozac for my anxiety attacks, and it has made a world of difference. There is nothing wrong with getting a little help if you need it. Best of luck to you!

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RE: Depression - 5/28/2006 10:55:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

Well, I'm still doing much better than I was yesterday - so no recurrances.

As soon as I have insurance, I think I will try to find some sort of therapy that my insurance will pay at least part of. Otherwise, I'm pretty well screwed for now ... unless rob and Holly start making a ton more money really soon.

In lieu of having insurance...I would go an herbal route.
While some are expensive you dont need a scrip.Ask your pharmacist which brand he reccomends.Look for things like Valarian root that can calm you down(dont use when driving),there are some for mood imbalances,look for something similiar to Seratonin.Melotonin can help you sleep better that in turn can help with depression.
While they cant replace a Dr. and the right meds...they may help you cope until you can get that help.They have worked for Me.
Best wishes.

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RE: Depression - 5/28/2006 3:26:54 PM

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depressed?
mildly? cyclic?

options:

>see a psychiatrist, have therapy, and consider a pharmaceutical product;
>see a psychologist or a licensed counsellor and have therapy;
>see a family doc and get a pharmaceutical product;
>medicate yourself with drugs and alcohol;
>do nothing and (occasionally) feel sorry for yourself;
>find an experienced and understanding dom and submit to regular floggings.

there are lots of folks who might spank you for free! while we cannot say spankings will not hurt... they might stimulate some brain chemistry alterations sufficient to improve your mood swings.

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RE: Depression - 5/28/2006 9:17:53 PM

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>find an experienced and understanding dom and submit to regular floggings

Randomly, why would you suggest this to a Domme? It just seems kind of odd to me.

Sassy - I am trying herbals/naturals ... I hadn't thought about using valarian root for that, although I know it's supposed to help with sleep (they suggested that Holly use that when she had stopped sleeping, told her to try that before the melatonin). I suppose I should dig out some of my old reference books and look through them again (I know I have one somewhere that has a lot of "nature's pharmacy" type things in it ... but can't find the blasted thing).

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RE: Depression - 5/28/2006 9:32:19 PM

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I am not a doctor but I find myself getting depressed during periods of inactivity. So I keep myself busy with responsibilities such as work, shopping doing home upkeep chores. I balance them out with hobbies, excersise and things that interest me.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 2:08:22 AM

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Well, I'm still doing much better than I was yesterday - so no recurrances.

As soon as I have insurance, I think I will try to find some sort of therapy that my insurance will pay at least part of. Otherwise, I'm pretty well screwed for now ... unless rob and Holly start making a ton more money really soon.

who is your insurance company? most companies will pay at least 40% or more of an out-of-network counselor's costs, and more for in-network - you may have to get a doctor's referral to have therapy covered, but you shouldn't have to pay more than $25 a session for an in-network counselor. if you're really strapped for cash and insurance refuses to help, check into local community centers. you're north of indianapolis, if i'm not mistaken? depending on how far away you are...there have GOT to be some community centers there that offer free or reduced rate counseling. you may also be able to find nonprofit counseling centers (one of the counselors i see works out of a grief counseling center and they charge on a sliding scale, so since i have very low income, i only pay $10/session). maybe you can start here: http://www.inrc.org/ and see if they can give you any ideas as to where to go.

*hugs* you're not screwed. there are always options, at least for mental health, because even when insurance won't cover it or you don't have insurance, there are community organizations that will. physical health problems are harder to get help with, but counseling shouldn't be horribly difficult to get even if you don't have insurance or your insurance won't help you.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 2:11:19 AM

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http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=COMMUNITIES

here's another resource. some of the city government pages there should have links to neighborhood community centers, who can link you up with local free/reduced counseling services or provide counseling services of their own.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 3:10:30 AM

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I hope you would continue with your doctors and insist on a multitude of tests. There may be a wide range of potential complications that could be the cause or contributing to your situation. You really should rule out any physical problems before wasting time with therapy and/or other self help practices.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 3:44:40 AM

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I hope you would continue with your doctors and insist on a multitude of tests. There may be a wide range of potential complications that could be the cause or contributing to your situation. You really should rule out any physical problems before wasting time with therapy and/or other self help practices.

i agree with the necessity of getting tests...thyroid tests, especially, as thyroid is a common problem that's linked to mood. however, i fail to see how therapy is a kind of self-help practice.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 6:58:11 AM

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Right now, I don't have insurance - I become eligable for it tomorrow at my job, but I haven't been able to find the paperwork that I need to fill out since allen moved out (lots of papershuffling to sort out his shit at the time ... lord only knows where my stuff got put), so I'm going to try and get it faxed to me at work tomorrow - I have 30 days after I become eligible to fill it out, so hopefully they will fax it to me, I'll get it filled out, and fax it right back to them.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 8:28:03 AM

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why would flogging be suggested to a domme?

dommes get depressed just as often as other folks! the physiologic response to spanking will likely be the same regardless of one's particular kink. the effect that spanking has on endorphin, enkephlin, and other neurochemicals will likely be similar in all subjects.

this is not odd!

valerian is a central nervous system depressant. it might be helpful with anxiety and insomnia... but it will likely have a counterproductive effect in the management of depression.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 8:58:20 AM

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But I don't like to be flogged or spanked, so how would that make me feel better? It would just upset me, which IMO would make things worse ... but maybe that's just me. No matter what else happens, doing something that you hate is not going to help an issue like depression.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 10:02:29 AM

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you were given a list of actions that might help in the management of depression.

spanking has been found to be a method that stimulates endorphin production and normalizes catecholamine levels.

whether you elect to subject yourself to this method is entirely optional.

a fat person may hate to exercise but that doesn't mean that exercise will not help in the management of obesity! a junkfood junkie may hate vegetables but that doesn't mean a balanced diet won't help in improving nutritional deficits. a narcotic addict may hate being straight but that doesn't mean that improved endorphin levels won't help in the management of a narcotic dependency.

being flogged would upset you? that's an emotional response. if the stimulation was applied in an appropriate and effective manner, you're biochemical response might still be positively affected.

fat people can learn to enjoy exercise. it takes work... but it can be done.
junkfood junkies can learn to appreciate a balanced diet. it takes focus and a willingness to adjust, but it can be done.
narcotic addicts can abandon their addiction and employ alternative methods to stimulate their endorphin receptors.
dommes might also learn new tricks.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 11:25:59 AM

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being flogged would upset you? that's an emotional response. if the stimulation was applied in an appropriate and effective manner, you're biochemical response might still be positively affected.

Since we are dealing with an emotional problem, the overall affect would be negative. Advice should be tailored to the advisee.

Not everyone responds to being flogged in the same way ... the positive biochemical responses can be over-ridden by negative, just like people can talk themselves out of being helped by medications that are found to be effective in 95+% of people.

Your other examples aren't exactly equivalent ... but I doubt that you will agree.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 12:31:48 PM

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I hope you would continue with your doctors and insist on a multitude of tests. There may be a wide range of potential complications that could be the cause or contributing to your situation. You really should rule out any physical problems before wasting time with therapy and/or other self help practices.

i agree with the necessity of getting tests...thyroid tests, especially, as thyroid is a common problem that's linked to mood. however, i fail to see how therapy is a kind of self-help practice.

The and/or was the operative point there.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 1:23:26 PM

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depression is not an emotional problem!!! depression is a biochemical imbalance.

refusing to accept facts, coming up with illogical excuses, and arguing with objective evidence are symptoms of emotional problems. convincing one's self that a method of treatment cannot be effective in view of objective evidence to the contrary is an emotional disorder

all of the examples (previously) listed are possible methods for one to attempt to overcome a disorder. you're right, they're not equivalent. it was never suggested that they were. your doubt is misfounded!

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 3:35:32 PM

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To SweetDommes: Might I suggest that you immediately seek out a mental health professional from a local Community Mental Health Center. These are government-funded programs (there is sure to be one near to you) that provide care on an adjusted fee scale. And then let the competent provider diagnose you and discuss treatment options.

There are many short-acting antidepressant drugs (indeed, there is such a huge range of psychoactive medicines that the entire discussion is foolish without a diagnosis). And taking an antidepressant or other psychoactive drug is not a life sentence. Keep in mind, please, that none of us (including Me) have a clue what is going on with you -- find someone who knows what to ask you and talk with them, please.

That means YOU don't keep self diagnosing (you are well meaning, but totally uninformed as to, for instance, the diagnosis of bi-polar personality disorder).

MORE Important, that means you don't listen to the advice you are getting on this list, which ranges from well meaning but of limited use (yes, Indian medicine has a lot to teach us in the West, but do you really think Ayurveda helps her, now?) to politically charged and not helpful (what good is telling someone "don't go on antidepressants" if in fact that is a viable option? Would you tell a person with an acute infection "don't take penicillin -- be strong and WILL the infection out of your body?") to just plain stupid ("get spanked". yah, there's an intelligent solution to someone whose possible depression might be related to sex/power issues in her life. Actually, I can't think that "get spanked" is in itself EVER useful advice. But if you are both clueless and manipulative, it sure sounds good, eh?).

People, I respect your right to make a fool out of yourselves in posting. I even respect your right to make a fool out of Me. But this woman is hurting. Maybe you can sit on your hands once in a while if you can't contribute a positive response?

Or you can do what I think most of the regulars on here do, sadly, and treat it as one big piggypile for your amusement, and not give a fuck that what you say might hurt someone. Boy did that get me riled up. Must be the carcinogens in all that red meat on the grill.

Have a happy rest of Memorial Day, and Monday,

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