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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 6:20:41 PM

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People, I respect your right to make a fool out of yourselves in posting. I even respect your right to make a fool out of Me. But this woman is hurting. Maybe you can sit on your hands once in a while if you can't contribute a positive response?
Or you can do what I think most of the regulars on here do, sadly, and treat it as one big piggypile for your amusement, and not give a fuck that what you say might hurt someone. Boy did that get me riled up. E.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 7:21:27 PM

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People, I respect your right to make a fool out of yourselves in posting. I even respect your right to make a fool out of Me. But this woman is hurting. Maybe you can sit on your hands once in a while if you can't contribute a positive response?
Or you can do what I think most of the regulars on here do, sadly, and treat it as one big piggypile for your amusement, and not give a fuck that what you say might hurt someone. Boy did that get me riled up. E.

Don't know you but damn I already like you.

i like him, too. i think we should keep him ;)

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 9:49:26 PM

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Awww shucks, Ma'am. and to grace(full of) ty, too. I do love that nickname for a girl.

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RE: Depression - 5/29/2006 10:31:46 PM

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i know this is a bit late in the messaging....but bipolar doesn't always mean extreme highs and extreme lows....it can come in varying degrees (my fiance is bipolar and doesn't really get those extreme highs, but can go REALLY low on occasion). Not saying thats a root cause, certainly hope it's not but best of luck to you anyway. Depression is not a fun thing.

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RE: Depression - 5/30/2006 8:21:56 AM

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i have done quite abit of research into bi-polar because i have many family members diagnosed and it normally presents itself between late teens and mid thirties. There are many types of bipolar and just because you havent had a manic episode does not rule it out...there are tests that psychiatrists can do to evaluate these things and can start meds that would be effective for the problem you are having. It could simply be depression in which case sometimes just talking to others will help. Take care and don't let it get too bad

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RE: Depression - 5/31/2006 2:37:46 PM

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I didnt mean to suggest that she not seek treatment...not having insurance to pay for things makes it hard to see a Doctor.In the meantime there are herbal remedies that will help relieve symptoms.Sometimes just the sun shining on you can make you feel better.
I suffer from Social and Seasonal disorders.I know the sun cant cure Me,but it sure feels good.
Coming to grips with depression is easier said than done.
Who wants to admit they cant fix a problem without a drug,especially when you like to be in control.Once you accept that you need it,and that your not alone out there,you'll feel better.

Dont forget the physical aspects of depression either.
Often depression makes a persons body hurt and getting out of bed is a chore.
Even when taking meds there are still days when its hard.

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RE: Depression - 5/31/2006 4:27:50 PM

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Find a mental health professional you can trust; one who will take a thorough medical and emotional history. If necessary, they can order basic blood work to assess any chemical /hormonal imbalance and prescribe an anti-depressant that will work to balance any chemical imbalance that may be complicating the situational depression. As has been mentioned, I also, believe it is vital to find some sort of therapy that works for you. Support groups or cognitive rational therapy or something that you feel is helpful. Depression is not something to ‘stiffen the upper lip’ and ‘pick yourself up by the bootstraps’ and ‘soldier on’. …especially if you feel suicidal at all. Good people have died from trying to ‘overcome’ or ‘mood-stabilize’ depression on their own. Take advantage of modern American medicine please. Best wishes. LdyS

I have to agree with LdyS on this. Most people suffer from some sort of depression. With most of us it passes in time, but for others it may be a chronic condition. I would just like to add a couple of points. (1) Antidepressant medication should only be taken in conjunction with some type of talk therapy, and be closely monitored by a medical doctor; and (2) most primary care physicians know very little about antidepresant drugs, especially the new class of antidepressant drugs, called SSRIs (Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors) which are so popular today. Since all antidepressants require a prescription, only an medical doctor can prescribe those drugs. So, the therapy will probably requre that the doctor be a psychiatrist. A PhD, PsyD, MA, or MFCC cannot write prescriptions. Perhaps you should try to get a medical diagnosis for what you have before resorting to drugs.

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RE: Depression - 6/1/2006 11:29:16 AM

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I am trying herbals/naturals ... I hadn't thought about using valarian root for that, although I know it's supposed to help with sleep (they suggested that Holly use that when she had stopped sleeping, told her to try that before the melatonin). I suppose I should dig out some of my old reference books and look through them again (I know I have one somewhere that has a lot of "nature's pharmacy" type things in it ... but can't find the blasted thing).

I guess I should put my $0.02 in for the record.

First of all no one on this board is a psychiatrist that I am aware of. Second, no one is a doctor that I am aware of. With all due respect to everyone that is giving different advice, this is a very serious situation. If someone is suicidal they should be referred directly to a physician or mental health professional.

To the OP: Do seek help from a qualified mental health professional. Your family doctor can put you on something in the interim if it will take a while to see a psychiatrist. Regardless of whether your depressive episodes do not last very long, the fact that they are frequent and devastating are classic symptoms of a depressive disorder. Being suicidal means that you need immediate attention. Your local Crisis Intervention office or your County human services department can help you get the medical attention you need.

Medication is a route to go. Herbal solutions should only really be used under the guidance of a doctor because they can interact with simple over the counter medications like aspirin and things like that. Also, the fact that you have a severe sleep apnea might have quite a bit to do with how you are feeling. Herbal solutions could be aggravating your apnea which is why I would suggest consulting your doctor first over a pharmacist or a health food store owner.

Medication can be a short term 'solution' if used for several months just to get you through this if it is not a regular occurrence. Yes, some take a few weeks to work so I would talk with your physician about what you should do in the interim.

Medication can only ease the feelings and the moods, they cannot provide solutions. Therapy is almost a must to help you cope with things and will aid you in not feeling overwhelmed. Does your employer have an Employee Assistance Program or EAP? They can also help you out so that would be worthwhile to look into also.

I hope some of this helped. If you care to, email me on the other side and I would be happy to talk more with you.

All of my best to you. You will be in my prayers.

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RE: Depression - 6/1/2006 11:57:49 AM

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I don't have a family doctor either ... the whole "no insurance" thing really blows.

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RE: Depression - 6/12/2006 7:40:51 PM

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I wish you well as you are going through a very emotional time. I have dealt with depression off and on for years as well as anxiety, and am very thankful that my doctor worked with me and found a medication and dosage that worked for me. I have a serotonin imbalance, as well as a previous poster, and do not think badly of my needing to take medicine any more than I would think badly of a diabetic who needs to take insulin.

When you can, seek the advice of a qualified medical professional and be very honest with your medical and emotional history so that he or she can better assist you.

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i am happy to see the comparisons to diabetes. There truly is a stigma about taking meds "just to feel normal". i was unable to cope with my periodic need, and my childrens' needs until my VERY healthy husband was diagnosed with diabetes. It brought chemical imbalances into perspective for me.

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RE: Depression - 10/17/2006 5:53:00 AM

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Only you can decide what you want to do. But you do need to get some professional help to help show you the different choices. It may take several tries to find the right therapists too. Do not be afraid to state you want a different one. It is your welfare therefore your decision. There are several kinds of anti depresents and it will take a while. Be open and honest with the therapists. They will not judge you, put you down, or think bad or little of you. Some of them have been there in hat same spot too. I wish you the best. As I have been there too and at times am still there.

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RE: Depression - 10/17/2006 6:16:25 AM

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There should be a Local or County Health Clinic in your area that will accept you and base your fee on your income. They will recommend you to the proper facility. Some of these facilities will even give you your meds free and give you your therapy free. Or they may know of one close that you can go to. some private ones will even take outside patients and have them on a rolling fee scale I think that is the name.

But contact the Loal Health Dept. and see what they can tell you. Contact Social services, the Community Action Organization, The Dept. of Human Resources, Dept, of Job and Family Services, keep trying these diff. dept until you get some names and number to call that deal with Psychiatric Assoc. Mental Health Clinic, Psychological Assoc. and until you get an appointment that is free of charge.
Please do not let these names scare you they are just names like Dept. of Labor, Dept of highway, Offie of Metal and Glass Works the Dept of Sewage and Sludge, Office of the Internal Revenue Service.

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RE: Depression - 10/17/2006 7:10:40 AM

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I know it's been discussed before, but at this point, I have absolutely no motivation to find them ... posting this is requiring all of my willpower.

I'm depressed, I used to go through cycles related to my mentrual cycle, so I went on birth control pills, and once we found one that worked, I was much much better. After our boy ditched us last year, I had a lot of trouble with depression, but I got better after a few weeks, and I was never suicidal. After we had to get rid of allen, I've been massively depressed - and I have been suicidal over this. It's been just over 4 weeks, and every time I think I'm getting better, it goes badly again. Today I've been crying over something so incredibly stupid that I refuse to humiliate myself by telling you what it was - but trust me, it was stupid. And I knew it was stupid to cry over it and still couldn't stop. I'm not actually suicidal, I don't think, but I am starting to think about how it would stop if I were dead.

I'm already taking an over the counter mood leveler, and I'm still on my birth control, so it shouldn't be that - but it's not enough right now. Is it possible to go on an anti-depressant temporarily? I don't know if I need to be on one permanently or not, but things are getting worse and worse for me right now, and while I'm still capable of thinking clearly, I need help ... I don't want to be like this anymore.

You have shared some VERY personal and private thoughts with us. I applaud you for your courage.
I will share only a limited personal exprienece...I was on lexapro. I had days I woke up and had episodes of intense pain and cried....OUT OF THE BLUE. I shared this with my sister, who also has had the same issues. Neither of us connected these episodes with any event.

I DO believe in medication, therapists and psychiatrists. My therapist suggested an earlier visit with my Psych MD. He was concerned the lexapro was no longer effective and did I think so.

After much thought process and discussion with me...... I love this MD cause he is so thorough with his meds and interactions, indications and properties.... and put me on cymbolta.

Puuuuuff...no more crying episodes.
Please realize that EACH antidepressant's useage is for only specific indictions and the interction with other meds is vital. To prove that point - my sis was given 5x the dose of lamictal she should have been started on and it interacted not only in an allergic way but with her other meds and she was in a burn unit for 1 month with Steven's Johnson Syndrome, almost TENS.

Psych MD's are there for a reason, so are therapists. Medictions are not harmful if given correctly for specific purposes. Sweet Domme, if you do NOT want to be "this way" anymore, then might I suggest you find a professional you can trust.

Your post indicates to me a reactionary type of depression and possibly more (been there, done that) and suicidal thoughts are potential hazards....
Please...do more than take OTC herbal remedies...

concerned and know the place you describe.

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RE: Depression - 10/17/2006 7:30:00 AM

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Sweet Domme.....
I pay less just to see my Internest, Psych MD and therapist than if I paid a premium every month and had to pay a deductable and then a copay.
I do not have insurance either and both my Psych MD and therapist work with me on it.
Believe it or not, many private practice Psych professionals do NOT want burden and stress out their clients with a massive bill and will lower the cost per visit depending on salary.

For example, my psych MD not only has a private practice with my private practice therapist, but also works for a mega healthcare corporation. He COULD require me to see him at the hospital where the fee is $250; instead he sees me in private practice and I only pay a marginal $95. A fee I can handle. Also, I get my "drugs" FREE. He gives me samples every month. The drug companies give MD's who request samples as many samlpes as they want. I have not paid for any of my psych drugs in over 3 years.
My therapist visits are also ONLY $95, a cost I can handle 2x/mon. I see my psych MD ONLY1-3x/yr BECAUSE I see a therapist.

Do the math yourself....A premium equaling $3600.00 with a $500.00 deductable is far more expense than seeing a therapist 21 times a year, free meds and 1 or 2 psych MD visits.
My therapist and Psych MD are very well known and have connections in most states....they might be able to provide names of the same types of concerned professionals in your area.

My Psych MD knows of the MD who put my sister on lamictal and is helping my sister with the name of a Forensic Psychiatrist in CA who will help with her lawsuit.

It IS possible to get professional care WITHOUT insurance.

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RE: Depression - 10/17/2006 7:44:25 AM

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SwwtDomme..... you said......I just honestly feel like I don't always need it, and knowing that medications like anti-depressants require long term use to be affective just bothers me when I think about using them for my transient episodes.

Only your professional will and can determine this.

Someone suggested thryroid. Our bodies are balanced by systems. Thyroid is usually involved in many Endocrine malfucntions and chemical imbalances of the brain. The Psych MD who I saw about 15 years ago gave me a lab script to have very specifc test done...to see if I had antibodies against my own thyroid....if so, he told me it usually causes chemical imbalances. My present Psych MD told me that was the best lab test I ever had because my Internist would have NEVER thought of doing it.
I DO have antibodies against my own thyroid as well as hypo-function.

When I shared THAT information with my mom who has type 11 Diabetes, she demanded her Internist do the same test. It was at that poiint that her Internist found she had a hypofuctional thyroid. It had been overlooked for years.
So might I suggest any one who has DM think of asking for a thyroid test.

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RE: Depression - 10/17/2006 7:50:40 AM

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needingtolearn wrote.....I have to agree here, anit-depressesnt do take time to work. I have just been diagnosed depressive, and was placed on them and told it will take about 6 weeks to take effect

It depends on body chemistry.....
I saw the grey and black lifted within 2 weeks with prozac and paxil;
one week with lexapro and within days of my newest cymbolta.
But then my body was also better balanced by taking thyroid meds; if not, perhaps it would have taken 6 weeks.

edited to say.... I spoke/responded far more than I intented to.... but I hope helpful... my sincerest hugs and caring SweetDomme

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RE: Depression - 10/19/2006 5:59:06 PM

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wow, I wondered why I was getting mail on this all of a sudden again. Months of being buried and someone found it LOL

I'm ok now. All has been taken care of - moods are 95% (aproximation, of course) stabalized and I can deal with the other 5% of the time. Insurance kicks in very soon and I'll be working on the other 5% at that time.

The advice that I got recently I've already gotten before, and while I appreciate it, it's not particularly helpful. Yes, there are programs that will assist financially - but I make too much money for most of them. Plus, if I go on meds prior to having insurance, then insurance won't cover it for at least a year - and once I have insurance, I will lose whatever aid was was recieving ... so basically, I HAVE to wait until I have insurance. I know about all the tests that I need to have run, and the things I need to do - I'm a nurse ... but again - no insurance but I make too much to get assistance ... and while I could afford it for a short (very short) while, it would affect my insurance when I do get it - the whole "pre-existing conditions" crap.

So, yeah ... I'm ok right now, honestly. And I'll be more ok after my insurance kicks in and I can go to a doctor for what little hasn't stabalized. My issues earlier were almost entirely a result of having to kick out the boy that I was planning to marry ... situational, and the situation is over. Stress from work hasn't helped, but that has stabalized too (thank goodness we're finally fully staffed).

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RE: Depression - 10/20/2006 1:08:18 AM

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Once again, I do appreciate the advice and the concern, however I am requesting that people stop messaging me about the matter. I have changed a few things from what I was doing when I made the first post, and I will be changing more after I have insurance and can get a doctor - I'm ok right now, and don't intend to change my current method of coping until/unless it stops working (and honestly, I may not change anything after I have insurance, if the doctor wants me to continue what I'm doing).

This happens to be one of those things that I'd rather not dwell on, as dwelling on it is one of the symptoms that I'm having problems. I am always aware of it, of course, but having it constantly shoved back up into my face (which is what it feels like, since I got 3 more messages after my last post) isn't going to help me. As I said, my current method of coping (which, for the record, consists of 3 natural mood elevators/stabalizers and long talks with one of the mental health professionals that I work with, among other things, like getting outside more and spending time with the animals for stress relief) is working for about 95% of the time. I'm happy with that for now.

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RE: Depression - 10/22/2006 10:09:12 AM

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An open minded mental health professional is highly indicated in your situation. Depression is a very serious mental health condition that should be treated and managed by a professional. Be open with them and give them full disclosure so they can accurately assist you. Also, get outside daily to help with the depression. Even if you only go to the park or out for a walk, get outside and amoung people preferably. Isolation grows depression.

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RE: Depression - 10/22/2006 10:23:51 AM

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the problem with "professionals" is that, in my experience, they really don't give a damn. they are paid to "act" like they care, but it's all smoke and mirrors.

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