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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 1:54:41 PM

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I agree with Mistress Snow. (and Greedy, and a bunch of other people here...) I think she did "earn" it with her cam services, but honestly, no guy is gonna pay after the fact. (well, there have been gentlemen with moral who have paid even though for some reason or another, their card wasn't charged as it should have been, but they are the exception to the rule.)

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:03:57 PM

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Legally and morally this person owes the money.

Seriously? Well I'd like to see her take him to court anywhere on planet earth. She tried to scam him, and instead he scammed her.

Err... yeah, seriously.

You see, this is how business transactions work - You offer a service, someone agrees to pay for the service and hey presto! You've got a contract.

It's not fucking complicated. Here on earth.

How do you come up with the allegation that she tried to scam him? Perhaps I missed something, but the impression I have is that they agreed a fee for the services she was offering and the service was provided.

Could you point out where the scam is please?

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:07:57 PM

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My advice? Get a job.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:26:58 PM

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I don't see how she's done anything to earn this money. But if she thinks she has rendered services and not been paid, then she should consult an attorney as to how to recover the money. Small claims court may issue an injunction demanding the fee be paid, but they don't offer any enforcement.

From the little info given, it's unclear if she is owed money or not. An attorney would sort it out, but of course he'd charge half of what she thinks she's owed.

Basically, write him off. Or charge him upfront in the future with a raise in the fees to cover this debt.

Really, you need to stop telling people what they legally can do. If the attorneys you consult take half the award, you don't know how to choose an attorney.

Further, you can't go to small claims court to get payment on a service that is, in all liklihood, illegal.

Whether or not an attorney will take a contract dispute on a contingency is neglible at best. If they didn, they would, in nearly every area of the USA, not be entitled to more than one third.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:32:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don't see how she's done anything to earn this money. But if she thinks she has rendered services and not been paid, then she should consult an attorney as to how to recover the money. Small claims court may issue an injunction demanding the fee be paid, but they don't offer any enforcement.

From the little info given, it's unclear if she is owed money or not. An attorney would sort it out, but of course he'd charge half of what she thinks she's owed.

Basically, write him off. Or charge him upfront in the future with a raise in the fees to cover this debt.

Really, you need to stop telling people what they legally can do. If the attorneys you consult take half the award, you don't know how to choose an attorney.

Further, you can't go to small claims court to get payment on a service that is, in all liklihood, illegal.

Whether or not an attorney will take a contract dispute on a contingency is neglible at best. If they didn, they would, in nearly every area of the USA, not be entitled to more than one third.

ABSOLUTELY- you cannot sue or take action against an illegal activity. How many dope addicts do you think would love to sue their dealers? Pro's suing their pimps??? And so on.... GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:36:14 PM

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Do you know MS that there are some druggies who actually got caught because they went to the cops because they thought the dealer ripped them off?!

If I remember correctly, and blushes would be better able to confirm this, even with cam girls, there are states where it is illegal, and therefore, she can't do business with those people even if she is NOT from that state.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:38:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressSnow

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don't see how she's done anything to earn this money. But if she thinks she has rendered services and not been paid, then she should consult an attorney as to how to recover the money. Small claims court may issue an injunction demanding the fee be paid, but they don't offer any enforcement.

From the little info given, it's unclear if she is owed money or not. An attorney would sort it out, but of course he'd charge half of what she thinks she's owed.

Basically, write him off. Or charge him upfront in the future with a raise in the fees to cover this debt.

Really, you need to stop telling people what they legally can do. If the attorneys you consult take half the award, you don't know how to choose an attorney.

Further, you can't go to small claims court to get payment on a service that is, in all liklihood, illegal.

Whether or not an attorney will take a contract dispute on a contingency is neglible at best. If they didn, they would, in nearly every area of the USA, not be entitled to more than one third.

ABSOLUTELY- you cannot sue or take action against an illegal activity. How many dope addicts do you think would love to sue their dealers? Pro's suing their pimps??? And so on.... GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AH... so the service she rendered is illegal is it?

Well clearly that changes the situation, from a legal perspective.

I'm sure that you and LafayetteLady are more qualified than I am to provide us all with a legal opinion!

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:52:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: MistressSnow

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don't see how she's done anything to earn this money. But if she thinks she has rendered services and not been paid, then she should consult an attorney as to how to recover the money. Small claims court may issue an injunction demanding the fee be paid, but they don't offer any enforcement.

From the little info given, it's unclear if she is owed money or not. An attorney would sort it out, but of course he'd charge half of what she thinks she's owed.

Basically, write him off. Or charge him upfront in the future with a raise in the fees to cover this debt.

Really, you need to stop telling people what they legally can do. If the attorneys you consult take half the award, you don't know how to choose an attorney.

Further, you can't go to small claims court to get payment on a service that is, in all liklihood, illegal.

Whether or not an attorney will take a contract dispute on a contingency is neglible at best. If they didn, they would, in nearly every area of the USA, not be entitled to more than one third.

ABSOLUTELY- you cannot sue or take action against an illegal activity. How many dope addicts do you think would love to sue their dealers? Pro's suing their pimps??? And so on.... GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AH... so the service she rendered is illegal is it?

Well clearly that changes the situation, from a legal perspective.

I'm sure that you and LafayetteLady are more qualified than I am to provide us all with a legal opinion!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000873----000-.html

HERE- I made it easy for you::::: (d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

MEL- I suppose you are smarter than the US legal codes and laws and you could figure a way around this? Do share your supreme knowledge I seriously would love to hear this.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:53:04 PM

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Based on the OP talking about his military service, etc. I am assuming that she is here in the USA. In most places in the states, what she is doing would likely not be considered legal, or a pretty sketchy gray area at best (see post above).

All in all, though it sounds like she was fucking with some guy on cam, not calling or "billing" herself as a "pro" but rather as a "findomme." That makes a big difference in the legality.

Now MS seems to indicate that "findomme" is like a new "PC" way of saying "pro," but that isn't my understanding. A pro offers services in exchange for money, while for a findomme, there is no service offered, the whole game is to simply get your money. That taking the s-type's money IS the domination.

If one could make that a wholly professional business, I think a lot more women would be doing it! Free money? No such thing.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 2:58:42 PM

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But there was no attempt at blackmail or extortion.

There was a request for blackmail roleplay, and said service was provided.

[ED to add...]

.... at least that is my understanding of the OP.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:18:51 PM

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This whole post is about blackmail. Why now are we changing the game here and calling it this warm fuzzy grey area that might not be blackmail. Seriously?

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:20:29 PM

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But there was no attempt at blackmail or extortion.

There was a request for blackmail roleplay, and said service was provided.

She's considering it for real:

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i've thought about mentioning to him he should really be careful with his security clearance if he's gonna go around pulling this shit - not every Domme will turn the other cheek. And I didn't mean sexual preference, I mean, he IS straight, anyway. But he allows photos of himself to be spread around the internet when he is supposed to represent... welll... us? ha. Photos of himself drinking his own piss... not just a dildo in his ass.

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Yes, I am very careful with what I say. I have wanted to out him so many times just because I hated him as a person! Nothing to do with money.. But, I didn't. That wouldn't be BM... he could maybe argue I destroyed his character [forget the legal term], but if it's all true then......?

I'd argue that HE destroyed his character, by wanting his photos taken knowing he is in the military and has a very vanilla life. If you're secretly into BDSM, you do not sign off on your photos taken =p

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:21:58 PM

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I thought the thread was about kicking hornet nests when the OP deleted profile.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:24:26 PM

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I thought the thread was about kicking hornet nests when the OP deleted profile.

FUCK ME! Are you serious the OP is gone>??? I had a gut feeling this was a wanking session.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:31:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alecta

I thought the thread was about kicking hornet nests when the OP deleted profile.

FUCK ME! Are you serious the OP is gone>??? I had a gut feeling this was a wanking session.

twas a shame, i'd thought initially she was just in over her head.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:36:38 PM

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But there was no attempt at blackmail or extortion.

There was a request for blackmail roleplay, and said service was provided.

[ED to add...]

.... at least that is my understanding of the OP.

Ok, he asked for blackmail play and she refused. Then when he didn't cough up the money she wanted as a "findomme" (really bad pro), she started thinking about doing it for real since she had all this information about him and figured she could use it to get the grand she thinks he "owes" her.

Her profile was never found from the start of my posting here.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 3:45:48 PM

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Ok, he asked for blackmail play and she refused. Then when he didn't cough up the money she wanted as a "findomme" (really bad pro), she started thinking about doing it for real since she had all this information about him and figured she could use it to get the grand she thinks he "owes" her.

Her profile was never found from the start of my posting here.

I'd always taken FinDomme to mean "online-only pro".

I guess she didn't get the answers she was looking for?

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 4:42:42 PM

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Do you know MS that there are some druggies who actually got caught because they went to the cops because they thought the dealer ripped them off?!

If I remember correctly, and blushes would be better able to confirm this, even with cam girls, there are states where it is illegal, and therefore, she can't do business with those people even if she is NOT from that state.

I don't cam.

I don't think there are any states where camming is illegal, because then the big camming sites would block out those states and I would know about it. (due to the connections I have and the forums I belong to.)
If I ever do cam, it will be fully clothed dom type camming, btw.

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 4:55:25 PM

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Do you know MS that there are some druggies who actually got caught because they went to the cops because they thought the dealer ripped them off?!

If I remember correctly, and blushes would be better able to confirm this, even with cam girls, there are states where it is illegal, and therefore, she can't do business with those people even if she is NOT from that state.

I don't cam.

I don't think there are any states where camming is illegal, because then the big camming sites would block out those states and I would know about it. (due to the connections I have and the forums I belong to.)
If I ever do cam, it will be fully clothed dom type camming, btw.

I was going on a previous statement that you made saying you were a "cam girl." No offense inteded.

However, only the "big camming sites" would have the technology to block them. Some independent like it would appear the OP was, isn't likely to do that, if she even knew about it. Even on porn sites at the front page, I'm sure you noticed the little blurb at the bottom where not only are you stating you are over 18, but that looking at such sites in legal in your state.

My point, basically, was that with the OP, we weren't talking about the sharpest tool in the shed, and it is unlikely she has any idea what is legal or illegal in her area or her "client's."

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RE: Another Blackmail thread.. from the Domme side. - 11/14/2011 5:03:34 PM

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I do a lot of financial domination, but it's not my only area. This question/situation pertains to a sub who was into financial and what not.. I'll make cliff notes to make this story a lot shorter.

- Asked to be Blackmailed. I am not into BM because it is illegal, not to mention,
Any advice? I am so tired of getting my time wasted. I know I'm partially to blame but when it comes to manipulation... this guy has ME beat, I think.

Im so confused 1st you say your not into BM and then you proceed to do it??? So which lie do I believe? <Not saying I believe this story for one minute> FYI any "contract" this is illegal is not "enforceable" So any NitFuckingWit that tries this and the client stiffs you. The courts will not execute this "contract"

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