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Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 9:43:52 AM   
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My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him. I am not a masochist, nor have I ever in my entire life had a desire or fantasy about being a slave, but here I am. I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what have I done to deserve this treatment. I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master. I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions. Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation, I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise. But it is causing me a lot of mental anguish and suffering that I have or am creating for myself. Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!
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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 9:47:29 AM   
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why are you only looking for female friends?

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 9:48:42 AM   
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Also, who is Terry? Does he have a profile out here?

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 9:58:55 AM   
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none of US are able to tell you how to be a better slave to him, since he's the only one that knows what he wants/desires/expects.

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:01:11 AM   
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If you're only doing this because you now feel you have to and you feel stuck then you did this all for the wrong reasons.

You two need to sit down and talk and you need to tell him this. This really doesn't sound like something you should be doing if it's not in your heart and not who you are.



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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:06:22 AM   
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So, you're this Terry bloke's own personal wee fuckpuppet and you don't like it? well, then perhaps you should just tell him: "Ooops, sorry old fella, I changed me mind."

You know women are fickle and prone to changing their mind when they find they've gone and done something daft. It happens all the time, why there's even an axiom or two about it.


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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:10:14 AM   
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I'm not sure that Terry really is realistic and therefore with him in lead... of course you would have conflict. However... honesty is a forerunner to anything good and it seems... you need to have been honest with him before committing to what you cannot do.

Until each of you work out these little relationship issues... there is nothing we can really say in my opinion, except that you have some issues.

People/submissives/slaves are people, not robots... Terry might wish to note that. And you... might want to stop committing to the impossible.


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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:10:59 AM   
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I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master


Well, that doesn't sound healthy. I would hope that you have some sort of clause in your agreement that includes openness and honesty? perhaps not, but it's a good idea. Talk to him about it. All of it. I've been in that position; I'm not a masochist but I do enjoy the affects of some types of pain and I've been involved with several sadists... Sometimes things get screwed up in your head. It gets worse if you hold it all in. Most of the better Dominants I know encourage openness about feelings...and the better sadists I've met know very well just how S&M can fuck with your head.

Of course, I'm assuming you're talking about painful acts but you could be talking about humiliation...in which case I have nothing to add, I point blank have always refused to engage in it.

Journaling is a good option for anyone inclined that way, especially open journals between partners. It can clear up slight communication issues.

It must also be said...you can be as stubborn as you want about holding to a contract, I understand that. Sometimes it's a matter of personal pride or integrity, but if you can't do what you agreed to or if you didn't understand what you agreed to...it's not going to work. I could promise to turn gorean tomorrow but I know fuck all about the whole mess and I guarantee that I'd fail. If whet you're doing has the possibility of fucking you up long term...don't do it. Contract or no, don't rip yourself to pieces just to please someone else. (btw, in my experience that's an excellent clause to include in contracts if you must use them).

No limits and no time restriction was a mistake on your part.

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:11:57 AM   
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So, you're this Terry bloke's own personal wee fuckpuppet and you don't like it? well, then perhaps you should just tell him: "Ooops, sorry old fella, I changed me mind."

You know women are fickle and prone to changing their mind when they find they've gone and done something daft. It happens all the time, why there's even an axiom or two about it.



I am not sure whether to love or hate you... but I am laughing... so... maybe I will be daft enough to love you! hehehe


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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:21:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him. I am not a masochist, nor have I ever in my entire life had a desire or fantasy about being a slave, but here I am. I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what have I done to deserve this treatment. I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master. I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions. Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation, I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise. But it is causing me a lot of mental anguish and suffering that I have or am creating for myself. Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!



Okay, so you signed on not knowing what was actually involved and not because you wanted to but because A)you feel obligated and B) feel as though you have no other choice.

That you are experiencing cognitive dissonance makes a lot of sense.

Doing something because you think you are under an obligation or have no other choice is a poor reason to do anything and is likely to create resentments.

My suggestion is to talk to your master and perhaps even find a kink friendly therapist to help you sort this mess out...and it is a mess.

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:38:27 AM   
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Why did you sign on to be a slave in the first place? It sounds like it's time to take a big step back and look at what you REALLY need.

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:47:19 AM   
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@TripleNipple53,

There is an old definition of "crazy" which involves persons doing the same things which do not work over and over hoping for different results.

I have been that kind of "crazy" at times. When I give my word I try very hard to keep it, whether to a sub, a domme or to anyone else.

Learning the importance of "consensuality" has helped me cope with this.

My definition is: metally competent adults who knowingly agree to whatever it is they do.

My belief is that anything which is not fully consensual IS abuse.

You are free to disagree.

In your case, you did not knowingly agree to whatever is happening. Thus your contract is void.

Consensuality also implies that consent given can also be withdrawn, by any party, with no permission needed first from Anyone.

It is consensual if a partner "forces" a partner to do something they truly hate, as long as they consent to do this. Of course when a lot of this is happening without much of the "forcing them to do things they LOVE to do", that partner is stressing the relationship, and it is not going to last very long.

A dominant who "breaks their toys" may find themself without toys to play with!

I would suggest sitting down in a neutral setting like a restaurant to begin talking out your difficulties with your partner. If he refuses tio do this, that is a serious "Red flag" on danger.

I also suggest going back through everything you have learned and all the topics you think you wish to learn with him to negotiate what IS (usually) eagerly wanted, what is OK, what is hated but you can do it, and what all the hard limits you know of are. Mutually agreeing about safe words or signs to pause or to stop action can also be very useful.

If you really have been abducted by a pirate who can kill or maim you if he or she pleases, then you are out of luck and you choose to obey ANYTHING and maybe survive or resist and not survive. But any consensual relationship is NOT like that. BDSM is only BDSM if it is consensual.

Old time life & death slavery is not legal in the USA.

Best wishes,

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 10:58:45 AM   
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Why did you sign on to be a slave in the first place? It sounds like it's time to take a big step back and look at what you REALLY need.


exactly


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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 11:01:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him. I am not a masochist, nor have I ever in my entire life had a desire or fantasy about being a slave, but here I am. I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what have I done to deserve this treatment. I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master. I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions. Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation, I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise. But it is causing me a lot of mental anguish and suffering that I have or am creating for myself. Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!

All the bolded bits really disturb me.
You are yourself saying you are not a sub, let alone a slave.
Is Terry your husband, or live in?
Did you enter into the relationship knowing he wanted you to be a slave, or is it something he convinced you of once he got his hooks in you? The answer doesn't really matter in my opinion, if you are not enjoying it, have no desire for it, it is not right or healthy and you should not be in the lifestyle. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I agree the best answer is to talk with him but first- are you afraid to talk with him?
I will stop to see what you say before I say more, but I hope you can find a happy resolution.


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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 11:07:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. HELP!


I deleted the rest of your post, because nothing else really matters except for the above, especially the bod part.

There is ALWAYS a choice. You are in over your head. If this guy you are with has an ounce of integrity, you need to tell him what you have said here. If he doesn't, then it is irrelevant because you really are in something against your will. "Consent" amounts to a bit more than simply saying, "yes."

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 11:42:21 AM   
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My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to
become a better slave for him.

Why would you want a master that was too lazy to teach you his preference of behavior himself?

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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53
I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I
had no other choice, but that is the case.

I would also have a hard time surrendering my will to another if it were out of desperation.
The good news is, we live on planet earth, and no agreement is ever so concrete that it can't
be modified. However, by not telling him your thoughts, you aren't being his slave at all, but a
slave to stupidty. Change is never easy, but it's always possible.

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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53
I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what
have I done to deserve this treatment. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore
my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master.

But you just finished telling us that your issue isn't with the physical (or actual) acts as much as
the mental ones. It's ok if to have issues with both. The important thing is that you learn to communicate
all of your issues with Terry. You aren't doing him any favors by pretending to enjoy it, and it doesn't
seem to be benefitting you in any way either.

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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53
What advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!

I think the best thing would be for you to discuss all of this with him. You may not realize this,
but Master Terry can find this post of yours quite easily. Just imagine how thrilled he will be to know
you have kept all of this incredibly important information from him, and that you are only with him out
of a sense of obligation and not out of desire, and now the very place he sent you to seek advice
knows all about it.

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 11:42:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him.
That's his job, why is he too lazy to do it?


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I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master.
Well, you need to step up and have a serious conversation with him rather than seeking advice from strangers on the internet.


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I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions.
Umm...yeah, there are. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

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Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation
So, if he tells you to do something that will cause harm, you're supposed to just do it? Without any hesitation? You really need to stop drinking the Kool Aid.

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I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise.
The harsh reality is that he can't control everything. He needs to stop looking at porn and come to terms with that.

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Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me?
Yes, your relationship is full unrealistic expectations, no communication and lack of effort.


You've basically got one person (you) that has no concept of how a D/s relationship works and is going by what ever the second person says. The second person is basing his knowledge on something unrealistic., most likely fiction or porn.

You need to flat out tell him what you're thinking and feeling. The obligated and have no choice part is especially disturbing. We engage in these relationships because they make us happy and what you're getting is the equivalent of high school peer pressure.

He needs to put in the effort to help you be best you can be, otherwise he is just setting you up to fail. He needs to take responsibility for the relationship. He also needs to adjust his expectations to the real world.







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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 12:39:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him. I am not a masochist, nor have I ever in my entire life had a desire or fantasy about being a slave, but here I am. I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what have I done to deserve this treatment. I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master. I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions. Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation, I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise. But it is causing me a lot of mental anguish and suffering that I have or am creating for myself. Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!


I'm going to lead off with the underlined portion of your OP... YES, I have been in a relationship where I unwittingly let myself be held to certain expectations from him and became obligated to keep them even though I deeply reviled it. I was younger, reeling from some personal family shit and trying to be "normal" and he took advantage of it. What did I do? Well, I got my head together, kicked his windows in and left.

Being a slave in the D/s context is a consensual agreement. The mind agrees, the body follows, because the D/s relationship, more than any other kind, is a mental, not physical, thing, especially I think for woman. We have always tended to be more led by our hearts and minds than bodies. There is such a thing as non-consensual slavery, yes, but it is something that the slave in some part of their mind, and it has to be an equal or majority part, that wants to be controlled that way, beyond his or her complete control and will.

The thing about certain men in the lifestyle, Dom or sub, I've found, is they think men and women are the same and that we get the same things they do out of... well, everything. They want you to believe that agreeing to be their live-in unpaid unappreciated fuckpuppet housemaid is the only thing you're good for, that you honestly feel it is a privilege. They want you to believe that having indiscriminate sex is the show of your "feminine power". I am not saying that this is not true, I'm saying this is only true if it is something you arrived at in yourself independent of his influence.

The right of a slave to be a particular person's slave is irrevocable. The only thing that an Owner can do is to help the slave make this option inaccessible to the slave's panic response, but he cannot take it away. From a legal standpoint, none of these agreements are enforceable anywhere. This lifestyle, legally speaking, is considered role-play. This means that when the role-play ends for you and you find yourself in genuine jeopardy, you always have the option of reaching out to authorities for help. If ever you feel it is NOT ok what he is doing to you and he is unable to make it ok, you can always get out.

Understand that everything in this lifestyle has a "fantasy" side and a"realistic" side. The latter deals with issues such as health and logistics that the fantasising side of a person does not want to consider because it may not make the thing seems so cool or complete. Complete abject slavery 24/7/365 is a fantasy. Ask anyone who's actually owned a slave for a respectable period of time! There has to be periods where the slave is allowed to be themselves, there has to be times where the slave is treated as a person not a slave, and there has to be times where the Master looks after the slave. Not because of what the slave wants, but because of the Master's need.

The lifestyle is very subjective and personal, but some basic guidelines for thought is this: your Owner is responsible for your physical and emotional well-being. The Owner should have a vested interest in keeping you around, healthy and alive for as long as possible. This means being watchful of your headspace, this means being aware of what you feel and think. Just because you are the slave does not mean you do not have the right to pull your owner up to task if your owner fails to fulfil their side of the bargain. In fact, if you are the only two people in the relationship, it is your responsibility to do so. (Some slave/Master couples invite a third objective character to oversee from time to time, this person makes sure that the slave and Master are treating each other ok or at least to mutually agreeable standards.)

The big question is, do you enjoy the anguish you have created for yourself? Some slaves get off on it, some even get off on hating their Owners. If that isn't you, then you have a problem and need to sit down and talk to Terry. If he is half the man he says he is, you two should be able to come to a resolution with some open honesty.

BTW, how do you feel about him looking for other submissive women?

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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 12:57:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him. I am not a masochist, nor have I ever in my entire life had a desire or fantasy about being a slave, but here I am. I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what have I done to deserve this treatment. I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master. I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions. Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation, I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise. But it is causing me a lot of mental anguish and suffering that I have or am creating for myself. Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!

You have signed up for something that may be out of your league. Handing the keys of yourself over to someone that does not have a true feel for you could be very detrimental to a substainable relationship. Are you ready for what this entails? Is it too advanced for you? Only you can answer those questions honestly. And honesty in yourself is the complete foundation of who you are. Can you handle it?


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RE: Slave, Help me - 11/16/2011 2:53:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TripleNipple53

My Master has allowed me to join Collar Me to find people that I can talk to, to learn how to become a better slave for him. I am not a masochist, nor have I ever in my entire life had a desire or fantasy about being a slave, but here I am. I am having more trouble mentally then with the physical or actual acts. Mentally I wonder what have I done to deserve this treatment. I know that my Master does not know that I entered into this agreement feeling obligated or like I had no other choice, but that is the case. Now that I have done this, I am trying to find a way to ignore my thoughts and feelings while I am in a scene with my Master. I signed up for 24/7/365 slavery, there are no limits and no time restrictions. Slavery is something that is important to him, and I promised to always submit, to never argue, and to do whatever whenever without thought or hesitation, I promised him complete and total control of everything, and would like to find a way to keep my promise. But it is causing me a lot of mental anguish and suffering that I have or am creating for myself. Is there anyone else out there that has done this too? and if so how have you learned to cope or what advice can you give me? I do not want this to be an issue, but my brain cannot let it go. HELP!
I am pretty sure that most everyone who considers him/herself a slave is one BECAUSE they want to be one.   Not because someone forced them to, or they felt obligated to, or felt they had no other choice.    They are slaves because being a slave is important to THEM.   I can not entertain the idea of you learning to be a slave if your heart is not into it, you must want to be one. 

I personally could not be a slave---because I want the right to speak for myself, I want to say no and I need my own control in my life because if felt I had to do something merely because I tack the label slave to myself, I'd would not be able to cope and it would cause me tons of mental stress.


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