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Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 8:19:20 AM

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I have always been into deep medical like catheters, speculums, sounds etc. I was wondering if anyone has experience with bladder irrigation using a foleys catheter. It seems to me air bubbles in the bladder might pose a danger and I'd appreciate hearing from those who are familiar with the correct procedure. Thanks.

RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 1:49:22 PM

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Can they pose a danger? Yes, if the technique is done wrong they could. My suggestion would be to read as much as you can, hit some medical sites for exactly how to do this safely, talk to others who have done this, and proceed with extreme caution.

Its called Intermittent Catheter Irrigation if you are using a single lumen or want to instill fluid and have it held. Or Continuous Irrigation with a triple lumen catheter if you want it to flow in and out. It can be done safely from a medical point of view.

Sterile technique and caution are the two words that come to mind quickly.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 5:29:12 PM

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Air bubbles in the bladder pose very little threat. During urological surgeries, namely cystoscopies, fluid is flushed into the bladder under pressure (pressurized via gravity, not mechanical pressure); air bubbles will often come into view and pose no threat to the patient. What can, happen however, is an electrolyte imbalance--and this can kill a person very quickly. Sterile water/tap water SHOULD NOT BE USED as it is hypotonic and will lyse the cells; secondly the oncotic gradient will facilitate water transport across the bladder. From the concern you have expressed regarding air bubbles (which are really trivial in this setting), you seem to lack an understanding of physiology of tonicity/electrolyte balance. Water from bladder irrigations can be rapidly absorbed into the blood stream. IF you are going to proceed with bladder irrigations, please know what you are doing, hyponatremia/hypernatremia can cause cardiac arrhythmias, seizures and even death--not to mention other problems that can arise: fluid overload, pulmonary edema, CHF, UTI, etc..

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 7:52:45 PM

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I'll 2nd what bemyslut said.
There are truly some extremely risky complications with what you are suggesting. Kinky sex is great. Getting your fantasies fulfilled...even better. Neither is worth a trip to the ED...or worse. There are some activities that I truly believe should be left to skilled, trained medical professionals. I know there are some on these forums who will disagree, and tell you about the hundreds of times they have done it safely. It's that 101st time we don't always hear about. Personally.... my advice here....is don't.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 9:32:25 PM

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I'll 2nd what bemyslut said.
There are truly some extremely risky complications with what you are suggesting. Kinky sex is great. Getting your fantasies fulfilled...even better. Neither is worth a trip to the ED...or worse. There are some activities that I truly believe should be left to skilled, trained medical professionals. I know there are some on these forums who will disagree, and tell you about the hundreds of times they have done it safely. It's that 101st time we don't always hear about. Personally.... my advice here....is don't.

I'm with you on this one. There are some things that are just too risky to let some layperson who read the instructions on the internet or saw some demonstration by another medically untrained person do to your body. Especially in a setting where if something goes wrong, they don't have the necessary skills or equipment to deal with it.

But then a lot of people are stupid.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 11:13:09 PM

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Many people do this at home where there are no "trained" personnel, no equipment to deal with "something" going wrong. Its not something I would do as a kink, but I have done at home before being trained as a nurse.

So before you continue with your "stupid" comments, read up on what you are talking about.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/1/2011 11:59:59 PM

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OP, here are some medical related sites...

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0115/p369.html

http://www.childrensmn.org/Manuals/PFS/HomeCare/018714.pdf

All medical sites will say the same... you should be instructed. This can, possibly, be safe at home... however.... you should be trained... and trained beyond just being told over the phone. This is why I said to read, read, read... talk talk talk... explore with someone knowledgeable.

Kink related sites

http://public.diversity.org.uk/deviant/bfcath.htm#Inside

http://www.chaseunion.com/documents/urethra/cath.htm

http://www.tampafetishparty.com/writings/catheterization.htm

I picked these out because of the sound advice each gave. I strongly recommend you heed the warnings of all three. This truly isnt something you want to try as a novice.

My best suggestion to learn? Find a kink friendly Doctor and ask.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 6:18:36 AM

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My best suggestion to learn? Find a kink friendly Doctor and ask.

I sincerely doubt a doctor is going to give advice on how to perform medical procedures at home, in a non-sterile environment, without a medical professional present. Wouldn't that make him liable if something went wrong?

ER Guy: Why did you do that?

Patient: Dr. So-and-So said it was okay!

Yeah....

If you are going to do this, you'll need an actual kinky nurse or doctor whose done this before to teach you how to do this AND how to use sterile technique. I'd advise having said kinky nurse friend present the first few times you do it on your own as well.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 7:32:36 AM

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This medical procedure is done at home all the time. As a nurse, I wouldnt tell him because I wouldnt know the "patient's" health. Hense the need for a Doctor.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 8:07:23 AM

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Wow! Thank you for all the replies. I appreciate those who caution me, but almost every aspect of S&M can be considered at least a little dangerous.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:22:20 AM

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Many people do this at home where there are no "trained" personnel, no equipment to deal with "something" going wrong. Its not something I would do as a kink, but I have done at home before being trained as a nurse.

So before you continue with your "stupid" comments, read up on what you are talking about.

But the reality is that a good number of people who are doing this DON'T have a clue. Reading on the internet isn't enough to make them competent at something. The reality is, that as hausboy said, it's that 101 time no one hears about where things went terribly wrong.

Besides that, look around these boards at some of the things people are doing, complaining about or have had problems with. Can you honestly say that there aren't a lot of stupid people? People who live in a fantasy world, women who actually question whether an initial email that says, "kneel bitch, I will own you now," men who sned their phone number on a first email and think someone will actually pick up the phone and call them. Just a few examples of people who seemed to forget that brain inside their head is for thinking not just to fill the inside of their skull.

If you think I was directing that comment to you, you were wrong. But I WAS talking about a lot of people in general, and I stand by that comment. The only thing one needs to "read up on" to confirm that statement is a large number of posts on these boards.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:28:53 AM

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I am not a medical professional, juat a person who's taken care of sick folks and been around/in hospitals too long.

There are MANY medical people in the scene, and many of them do demonstrations. There is almost always a medical demo at the big kink events. Learning to do a sterile field is easy, learning not to fuck it up is harder. If you can, learn how to do this from someone who has done it, and is actually good at it. The MINOR risks are infections--and YOU are not the one bearing that risk and weeks of aggravation/treatment, your playmate is.

Don't let your playmate be your lab rat. Only rocket science is rocket science, but ENTERING internal organs steps play up from "a little dangerous", to "don't get it wrong".

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:29:08 AM

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This medical procedure is done at home all the time. As a nurse, I wouldnt tell him because I wouldnt know the "patient's" health. Hense the need for a Doctor.

So you advocate lying to the doctor and think that if something went wrong, an absolution of liability would exist. Ridiculously unlikely.

Hey, I know you are a nurse, and you have probably done this hundreds of time. Good for you. I still think that there are things too risky to do. It is my opinion. No one is going to do it to me, I won't do it to anyone else. Those that DO choose to do it, when their luck runs out and something goes wrong, they can go cry in a corner by themselves, but they will probably post on here, crying about the damage and trying to minimize both their responsibility in having consented and the responsibility of the person (who likely had no idea what they were doing) who performed the act.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:34:39 AM

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I understand. My purpose was to give information. Its better to realize the adult bladder can only hold 400 to 800 cc's of fluid then to have someone fill up a whole enema bag and go to town on their own. It IS scary what some people will do without any knowledge. Giving knowledge is the first line of defense.

Telling people "No" never works. Especially when they look around in this day and age on the web and see others. They want to know why they cant, what are other people doing that they cannot do themselves.

Any obstruction to the flow of urine from the kidneys will cause urine to back up, damaging the kidneys, perhaps permanently. But there are safe ways to do this. I didnt want the poster taking away the idea that irrigations are lethal. They can be done safely... with lots of training.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:36:00 AM

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So you advocate lying to the doctor and think that if something went wrong, an absolution of liability would exist. Ridiculously unlikely.

Im confused. Where did I say anyone should lie to the Dr?

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:39:10 AM

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NEVER LIE TO YOU DOCTOR, FUCK ANY EMBARRASSMENT OR DISGUST THEY MAY HAVE. It is your fuckin life.

And rarely lie to your necktie (lawyer). Rarely, I said, not NEVER (you will know when).

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:42:28 AM

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Exactly, Master Ron, which is why I suggested a Kink Friendly Doctor. Less likely to judge... more likely to just give you the plain facts.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:43:57 AM

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Yeah, if you can catch one, great, if not pull off your big girl panties and let 'er buck.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 10:44:22 AM

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I am with LadyH and Tazzy on this one. Medical play can be done safely in the privacy of ones home. Training and being knowledgeble about what your are doing is key. If you are not knowledgeble about a medical subject then you should not play with it. Its your responsibility to learn and become knowledgeble which can be a lot of work and requires time. But if you do the work, there can be a lot of fun to be had if you enjoy that type of thing.

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RE: Internal Water Sports? - 12/2/2011 6:28:29 PM

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I am not a medical professional, juat a person who's taken care of sick folks and been around/in hospitals too long.

There are MANY medical people in the scene, and many of them do demonstrations. There is almost always a medical demo at the big kink events. Learning to do a sterile field is easy, learning not to fuck it up is harder. If you can, learn how to do this from someone who has done it, and is actually good at it. The MINOR risks are infections--and YOU are not the one bearing that risk and weeks of aggravation/treatment, your playmate is.

Don't let your playmate be your lab rat. Only rocket science is rocket science, but ENTERING internal organs steps play up from "a little dangerous", to "don't get it wrong".

And I'm sure there are plenty of people who are happy to be on the other end of that. For me, ever since I developed diabetes, I get a UTI if the freaking bacteria is in the same room with me, let alone gets near my crotch. Add to that kidney failure this past May, and I'm not letting anyone near me to do that stuff.

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