InvisibleBlack
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl How so? You asked what I meant, and I told you. You seem to want to insist that this would happen between this child and another girl in their teens. Yet, to do so, you would have to predict that she (Bobby) will be gay or bisexual... something you surely cannot do at this point. You would also have to predict that this girl did not get pregnant before going... again, something you surely cannot do. So, whiles its possible, the ability to say its probable just isnt there. I said nothing about Bobby Montoya. The girl is 7. GotSteel said quote:
I also propose that the reason for the lack of co-ed in these organizations isn't really because of girls and boys being into different things but out of fear that the haha is going to end up in the hoohoo. I agreed. A concern of the GSA has to be allowing fully functioning males into the Girl Scouts. Pregnancy resulting from one or more trips and/or events (and the potential lawsuits) would be an ongoing risk. Any time you put a batch of male and female teenagers together in an un- or semi-supervised state for an extended period of time (and unless things have changed radically from my experience in the Scouts, supervision is in no way up to chaperone status) you're risking "the haha ending up in the hoohoo", to use GotSteel's description. Your dismissive response was that I didn't understand biology. I believe you are now stepping back from that position. Your next comment was: quote:
ORIGINAL: tazzygirl You were speaking past tense. How do you know she didnt get pregnant before leaving for camp? Which is attempting to quantify an abstract situation (allowing funtional teenage males on "sleepovers" with teenage girls in the outdoors) to a single hypothetical anecdotal situation, and then to propose alternative arguments for it (i.e. the hypothetical pregnancy could have occured elsewhere). I assume you took my point and rather than address it (as in - there could be additional supervising, added counseling for troops with transgender members, etc.) are looking to avoid the issue. I have no doubt that Girl Scouts get pregnant outside of Girl Scout activities. That is irrelevant. You seem to imply I'm saying something about Bobby Montoya. I'm not. I don't know enough about Bobby to have an opinion on her life or character. I wish her all of the best and I'm sorry she was treated poorly by some of the Girl Scout leaders. To reiterate - I'm saying the GSA would likely be concerned that despite being transgendered, the potential would exist for sexual relations between Girl Scouts. The ultimate issue would be pregnancy. If we're discussing probabilities - right now there's no way to tell. There aren't any statistics on M-t-F transgendered teenagers having sex with other girls (at least that I'm aware of). Given the sex drive of most teenagers and the fact that no transgendered teen is probably going to be allowed to take hormones or treatments, I'd expect it does happen. If you're going to be a responsible scoutmaster (is that what they call it in the Girl Scouts?) of a troop in their mid-teens and you had a transgendered girl in your troop, you'd have to consider it. I would argue you'd be remiss if you didn't. Your argument seems to be that it couldn't happen and that if it did, there would have to be some other explanation. Am I misstating it?
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Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, looking through your stuff.
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