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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/28/2011 8:13:21 PM   
LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

LL, then you don't understand the difference between muscle and fat.  If you don't you may want to look at a pound of muscle and a pound of fat and see the difference and why someone would rather be 150 lbs with a higher muscle mass than 150 lbs of a higher body fat.  This is why when people are working out especially with weight -- they are warned that their weight may go up, not only because they are gaining muscle but when the muscle heals it retains water to utilize it in the healing process -- so you may see the scale rise.

You can have twins where one is 15% body fat and another is 25% body fat and the one with 15% body fat more than likely will weigh more than the other twin because muscle weighs more than fat.  So if you have more muscle mass, it stands to reason that the weight on the scale may go up.

Please don't try and confuse people by insinuating a pound of muscle on the body is the same as a pound of fat on the body.  If you really think so -- do a comparison.  You utilizing semantics of a lb, however, if you have more body FAT, you may well weight less than if you have more muscle.  There are NOT the same outside the numbers on a scale -- however, the human body doesn't deal with ONE pound, it deals with many pounds and a combination of body fat and muscle.  If your body is gaining muscle and losing fat, you may find the scale rising.  If you are losing muscle and gaining fat, you may find it staying the same. 

If the body was either all fat or all muscle i would say okay, but the human body doesn't work like that.  There is no just pound of fat or pound of muscle, there is a whole kitandkaboodle of what the number on the scale stands for, one of them being you may be GAINING muscle or the muscle is healinig etc -- which could even happen if you stress a muscle without actually working out.

OP, if you seriously thinking you are GAINING actual fat, instead of your body tripping out because you have stopped a whole bunch of crap, go get your body fat tested as soon as possible, then you will have a gauge of if you are actually gaining fat or its your body readjusting.
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I'm very well of the difference.  But a pound (16 ounces, not grains, not troy ounces, just plain old ounces) is a pound.  Obviously if you have a pound of feathers and a pound of brick, you will have a great deal more feathers, but they are going to weigh a pound.  Mass and weight are different.  If you don't understand the difference, take a science class.  There are all kinds of weight measurements, but when comparing apples to apples, you get apples. 

I never said that one did not have more mass than the other.  Two women can both be 150 pounds with equal BMI, but if one is 5' tall and the other is 5'10" they aren't going to wear the same size dress.

Quite frankly, if someone is that freaked out by a five pound weight gain, and would rather smoke themselves to death than be fat, I see some body image issues that should be dealt with, but that's just me.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/28/2011 8:19:59 PM   
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I agree about the body issue but 5 lbs on a small frame can be felt.  And body image issues are not something that just go away, but haunt you many times like a traumatic experience.  i am 5'10 now and was 6' in HS, hell i sneeze and can lose 5 lbs or inhale and gain 5 lbs, however, on my mom, who is a shrimp -- grins -- at 5'3, she can actually feel when she gains 5 lbs, it effects her small body that much, and many times it's difficult for her to lose.  Where hell, i can  actually drink all my water and i can lose 5 lbs in a day.

You are still attempting to be obtuse as to what people are speaking about between muscles and fat, which is absolutely apples and oranges.   So no, you aren't comparing apples and apples, you are comparing the human body that deals with a mixture of fat and muscle.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/28/2011 8:27:15 PM   
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Here's the problem, I have increased exercise, I consume less calories yet my metabolism seems to have slowed down considerably, with what I am doing (and I track it) I should have lost 1 lbs but I gained 2 lbs.


2 lbs in 4 weeks. 3600 / 2 / 7 = 250 calories a day.

Smoking burns up to 200 calories a day in a heavy smoker
Because smoking burns calories, metabolism is boosted (increased) slightly
Nicotine is an appetite suppressant



Seems about right.

A little extra time in exercises.. even a 30 min power walk should help override that problem.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 12/29/2011 6:17:55 PM   
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Congrats on kicking the smokes. I'm off 'em over 5 years now, but didn't quit. Couldn't. So I retired. The difference a word makes. To each, what works.

I notice you quit caffeine, too. That morning cup revs your motor to start the day. Not doing it means a more gradual and perhaps lesser peak to your metabolism. These few calories daily over the course of a month might be noticeable. You are eventually going to resume using coffee, are you not? Breaking the mental connection between coffee AND cigarettes seems to be on your list. Erase the word, "AND", and take it from there.

If you find that doesn't work, forget about coffee for a while. You might consider instead using a diet pill, TEMPORARILY, to achieve a similar effect. Consider too that this might just be a new problem to have. There are two ways to go with 'diet pills'. Stimulant, (effedrine) or appetite suppressant (hoodia). That is a large topic I have no experience with. Others might. And might comment.


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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/6/2012 5:32:24 AM   
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I don't know how old your pictures are but I checked the date of your OP and the last entry on your profile. They are the same so I hope you get this. If your pictures are recent, you don't have much weight ON you now so you have a way to go before health becomes an issue. Aging does play with your metabolism so beng an exercisor IS good, don't stop. I'm an ex smoker just as you are. I worked a highly phyisical job until recently and even so, I did gain weight. Just as the mind is your most important sex organ, so it is also your most important in controlling everything else you do. I quit in 1976!!
My "trick" was very simple, I CAN DO THAT WITHOUT CIGARETTES. Now I'm working on "I can do that with the right kind of food and the right amount of food". Food is a tool to keep you alive and working. If you are as much a control person as you state, this "trick" I mention here is for you.
IF for any reason this doesn't work for you, I'll say the light bulb over my head went out.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/6/2012 7:55:48 AM   
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"To me, that slammed someone who was offering their own perspective and advice. The issues the OP has are her own, and to indicate that someone who offered advice is somehow lacking in reading comprehension, well, it irritated me."

After smoking for 30+ years and now being smoke free for 3 1/2 years, (BEST thing I did for myself with positively NO regrets, by the way!) I could provide some input.
But I refuse to set myself up to be spoken to that way. Sorrrrrrrrry!

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/21/2012 1:30:41 PM   
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Congratulations on your quitting! You CAN do all those things WITHOUT cigarettes too. It's as you said, a (stubborn) mindset against them... AND it's much easier if you don't have any on you either. I quit in 1976! I am a bit heavier now but it isn't from the lack of cigarettes, I just eat too damned much! So much for the maternal training of "finish what's on your plate and don't waste it". 35 years of eating since I quit... well, that's alot of finishing what's on my plate.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/21/2012 1:32:29 PM   
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Oh brother... I'm so embarassed now!!!

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/21/2012 9:41:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ninebelowzero

in all seriousness starting smoking is my only regret in life.



I got a few more, but you know quitting is not that hard if you just go and break your normal routine, the weight gain had me absolutely paranoid as weight is a serious issue for me and has been since I was a teen, I'm happy that I don't have eating disorders anymore and would like it to stay that way, but for me gaining weight is linked to depression, not as in "feeling a bit down" but actually falling back into not eating, feeling so gloomy that I have to avoid bridges and sharp things, so it was something that I had to avoid at all costs. I changed my exercise routine dramatically, changed what I eat and it seems to have worked so far, lost a bit of weight which makes me very happy, toning up... But to be honest, if it wouldn't have worked, I'd rather would have gone back to smoking and faced the health danger, compared to becoming anorexic and severely depressed, it would have been the lower risk.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/22/2012 9:52:13 AM   
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I changed my exercise routine dramatically, changed what I eat and it seems to have worked so far


What changes have you made?

I'll go update my Chantix thread.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/22/2012 5:02:23 PM   
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Quitting smoking was and still remains the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. It's been 23 years since I've quit, but it took Prozac, the nicoting patch, Ativan and at least 2 gallons of water a day to do it. My nicotine withdrawals mimicked that of a heroin addict. I'm thankful every day for quitting and still experience cravings from time to time.

At the OP, sorry, but I don't engage unhealthy people. My post is to support others who need and want some encouragement.

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RE: Question to ex smokers - 1/27/2012 9:00:42 PM   
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Lady C - you mentioned you've increased exercise and that you've gained a pound. I quit reading the posts after people began addressing the issues of lung cancer because that's a topic in itself, so perhaps my comments will have already been addressed, but here goes.

You may be retaining water if you're consuming excess sodium. It may be close to that time of the month. You may be building some muscle definition (muscle weighs more than fat). As an ex-smoker and perpetual dieter, I have taken to using the scale AND measurements in regards to my body. When one doesn't show signs of movement in the right direction, the other inevitably will. I hope this helps.

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