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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/7/2012 5:28:41 AM

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That was the first thing they told me when I was diagnosed diabetic, in fact: don't eat anything out of a tin, or anything else processed.

I could never understand the HFCS business. Okay, you can't import cane sugar from Cuba anymore, but there's nothing to stop it being farmed domestically apart from the corn lobby. Hell, sugar cane is one of the few crops that you could actually farm down the Florida coast, isn't it?

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/8/2012 7:33:58 AM

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Hell, sugar cane is one of the few crops that you could actually farm down the Florida coast, isn't it?

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/10/2012 4:47:33 PM

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The first time I tasted HFCS was in small scale imports of soft drinks that aren't popular enough to be bottled locally, and thus originate in the USA. It wasn't exactly a positive experience, in terms of taste and texture, though the flavors in question were an interesting variation from the usual ones. Any novel flavor is. My enduring impression of these drinks has been that if HFCS is an acquired taste, it's one I'm unable to acquire. Which is a pity, as some of the flavors are actually rather nice. Enough so that I actually still pick up a bottle every now and then, maybe a handful per year all in all.

Has anyone used to HFCS compared it to sugar based versions of the same stuff?

Would be interesting to know.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/10/2012 6:10:21 PM

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I know I really struggle to drink the HFCS versions compared to the sugar versions back home. I feel like the HFCS coats the inside of my mouth and I think it does take away from what I consider to be the flavour I am use to.

And, unlimited refills of HFCS laden soda is lethal (in my anecdotal experience). My last trip to the US was 6 weeks long and I put on 10lbs. I only ate 1-2 meals a day.. so it certainly wasn't that. I lost the weight within 5 days of being home and not drinking unlimited soda.

Luckily this time, I have managed to only drink diet sodas. Yes, I know artificial sweeteners are their own kind of evil, but we live in a world full of risks.. and I love soda.

Edited for spelling. Because English, is my first language.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/10/2012 6:45:42 PM

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Sugar is most definitely addictive. The more we eat, the more we crave. Eating sugar results in a sugar high, and when we come down off it, our body seeks out more sugar. This would't be such an issue if sugar were only in the crystal form that we add to things. The problem is all of the hidden sugar in so many things that we eat and drink - even things that we think are not sweet. Just start reading ingredient labels - you will be shocked as to where sugar shows up. And our bodies were not designed to consume that amount of sugar. So I'm sure, at some level, it is "toxic" to our systems.

I have recently started trying to reduce my sugar intake - not easy, but also, not impossible. A lot of it depends on just being aware of the hidden sugars, particularly in processed foods. I have a sweet tooth, though, so unfortunately, haven't been able to eliminate all sweet things. But I try to restrict my sugar intake to those things that I really enjoy (for example, saying yes to a small serving of homemade dessert, instead of drinking my sugar through sweetened "fruit" juices or the like.) I personally feel we could all do with a little less sugar in our lives - not that that should stop any of us from being sweet

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/10/2012 9:33:10 PM

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All income tax ought to be abolished and sugar and fruits be taxed instead. Two thousand dollars per kilogram. I bet you that within two years there would be a lot of unemployed dentists and physicians.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 5:32:34 AM

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Hell, sugar cane is one of the few crops that you could actually farm down the Florida coast, isn't it?

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Bugger. I'd forgot the end of that takes place on a sugar farm and processing plant.
So if it is perfectly viable to farm sugar cane, and the domestic pop that includes actual sugar rather than HFCS is seen as a slightly posh, premium thing (Jolt uses proper sugar, right?), I take it the main reason that HFCS much is in everything else instead is down to the corn industry's ungodly influence on your government?

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 5:33:48 AM

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All income tax ought to be abolished and sugar and fruits be taxed instead. Two thousand dollars per kilogram. I bet you that within two years there would be a lot of unemployed dentists and physicians.

And, of course, no child in your country will ever eat fresh fruit again.
Is that really a desirable outcome?

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 5:42:16 AM

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If Lustig is right, then our excessive consumption of sugar is the primary reason that the numbers of obese and diabetic Americans have skyrocketed in the past 30 years.

Has the consumption of sugar skyrocketed in the past 30 years? I would think with the creation of all the sugar substitutes in that time it would have gone down. In fact if the rates have skyrocketed while people have been slowly switching to the pink stuff, that may want to look at those as well.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 5:56:59 AM

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And, unlimited refills of HFCS laden soda is lethal (in my anecdotal experience). My last trip to the US was 6 weeks long and I put on 10lbs. I only ate 1-2 meals a day.. so it certainly wasn't that. I lost the weight within 5 days of being home and not drinking unlimited soda.

They are only lethal if you can't say no when they offer you the next one.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 8:28:51 AM

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Much more of america is suited to growing corn (maize) than sugarcane, though there is a big sugar beet industry here in the north. HFCS is CHEAP to produce, at least until the ridiculous ethanol fuel business came along.

I got myself a treat the other day, a blueberry white tea drink---packed with HFCS, but "healthy" on the label because of the white tea! It is to gigglesnort.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 9:08:34 AM

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Colonial Americans in the northern colonies used huge amounts of maple syrup, maple cream and maple sugar. Is that toxic also?

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 9:09:28 AM

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ok, as you can see in my picture
that square, right over there
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i am not fat.
in fact, im skinny
in fact, ive been hospitalized many times because of that

however, here i am eating a wegmans peanut butter sundae 1.42 liter box of ice cream. i am over 1.8 meters tall and yet weigh about 100 lbs (i know, i know, im tossing in the american standard there, but i dont know what i weigh in metric)

a few things contribute, the fact that im vegatarian (because i would be even worse off if i ate meat, seriously, major spontaneous internal bleeding, dont understand it, hospitalized because of that too) but much more importantly because im hypoglycemic which, like moonhead, means i have to be careful what i eat as far as sugar goes. however, unlike moonhead who has it much harder then me (i feel you darling, i really do) it means that my sugar intake has to be constant

sugar and carbs are the things keeping me alive and americans making everything EVERYTHING diet makes it impossible for me to eat
right now it says per serving there are 220 calories and 17 grams of sugar in this ice cream, and seeing as there are 12 servings in this container this is actualy just about the best thing for me to eat.
now, when i go somwhere, take a normal day when i need somthing to eat, say its getting to be lunch and im passing wegmans, i go in the store, go to the frozen isle for somthing to microwave, and have my choice between a total of four things
four
just four
everything else either has meat, is too small to make worth eating, is diet, or is too big to eat at once (lets say we include that, it means i would have eight, they are the exact same four thing just three times the volume)

now that makes everything impossible, so i end up eating the same four things every single time, makes it damn boring because instead of having SELF restraint people need things in smaller boxes so they wont eat so much

how about this, if you want 100 calories, eat a half a serving of ice cream, dont buy a package that contains a half a serving of ice cream, and certainly dont make it so that all the store stocks is half serving packages of ice cream!

that was my venting at how hard stores are making it for me to not die, may the rest of your day be more pleasant then the past few minutes of my day has been while typing this

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 1:40:45 PM

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I got myself a treat the other day, a blueberry white tea drink---packed with HFCS, but "healthy" on the label because of the white tea! It is to gigglesnort.

Reminds me of all the "fairtrade" chocolate you get over here where the cocoa's ethically sourced and the sugar comes from Tate and Lyle, who treat their sugar workers even worse than the Egyptians used to treat their Hebrew staff during the bronze age...

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 1:44:30 PM

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That's absolutely ghastly.
I had an inkling that sticking to a vegetarian diet over there would be tricky, but I had no idea it would be that difficult.
My hat's off to you, sir.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 8:27:44 PM

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Sugar has its good and bad parts. I am trying to avoid sweets and so far, I am down to 305 (usually 320). I feel the need for a diet MD once in a while and I have 1 or 2 glasses of diet green tea a day and water the rest of the way. I admit that I am morbidly obese and watching my diet. There is ice cream in the fridge and I have no desire for it. I want proteins instead and I have eliminated breakfast sandwiches from my diet. Just give me eggs and cheese and I am happy, leave out the breads. If I want potatoes, I got mashed, tater tots and french fries. 2 of them I bake in the oven so no oily taste and they are crisper.

But I did have 2 pepsis during NYE while down in Austin for Ikkicon and the taste rather turned me off. I really hate the taste of HFCS and I can taste it in the sodas. With my green teas, I got sucralose and honey (small amount of honey) with no bad aftertaste.

Got to excuse me. Arctic front is coming through and I got to get the trailer ready. Wind gusts are already at 38 mph. The weatherman says we will miss the snow this time.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 8:42:02 PM

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I know I really struggle to drink the HFCS versions compared to the sugar versions back home. I feel like the HFCS coats the inside of my mouth and I think it does take away from what I consider to be the flavour I am use to.

Almost oily, but not really like oils. There's this slick sensation that the flavor has to "work through" to get anywhere, that just feels filthy. The sugar doesn't get in the way that way, and feels cleaner, although it's cleaner in the sense that morphine is clean: purer stuff than the oxys, but still not good for you.

That anything like how you'd describe it?

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P.S.: Didn't want to make a seperate post, but kudos to the vegan fellow for sticking with his convictions in spite of the dificulties.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/11/2012 10:16:50 PM

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Maybe I'm just spoilt by sugar. I remember my Nana use to let me dip sugar cubes in her black coffee. I was 3. Eeek!

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/12/2012 3:10:43 AM

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The following is a personal opinion

Sugar in and of itself is not toxic. However its' use in modern food production is a major contributing factor to the rising rates of obesity, diabetes, coronary failure, and cancer. Processed, pre-prepared foods are layered with sugar, fat, and salt, to make them more taste appealing. Foods are designed for convenience, and to sell more food, health and nutrition be damned.

I will soon enter my 4th year of a zero sugar, vegan diet. When I say zero sugar, I also mean no honey, maple syrup, fruit, or artificial sweeteners. It is said that cancer thrives on sugar.

Next time you go to the grocery store, try to buy nothing with sugar of some sort added, just check the nutrition info, how many grams of sugar per serving. You will find it very challenging. There is no commercially made bread that does not include sugar. Vegetable stock, to make a nice healthy soup, contains sugar. You will find it in the most unlikely of places, snacks, crackers, chips. Those packets of flavored oatmeal, that people eat because they think the oatmeal is good for them, are loaded with sugar.

So everything I eat is basically made from scratch, with ingredients as close to their natural state as possible. I can find good food at my local grocery, but it is tough, you really have to look hard. And I have a pretty progressive grocery, with a wide array of "health" foods. I eat rice for breakfast, or oatmeal, or wheatberries soaked, ground, and cooked to a gruel. Lots of vegetables obviously. Lots of bean products, prepared in different ways. Time consuming, inconvenient, limiting, I'll admit it. But I lost 80 lbs, and kept it off. I cured my blood pressure problems, and blood sugar problems(my doctor had said I was pre-diabetic).

The modern American diet is toxic, and addictive.

By the way, I am a 54 year old auto mechanic, and my feet all day, running, lifting, and in no way does a sugar free, meatless diet leave me incapable of normal functioning.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/12/2012 3:22:00 AM

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... as with almost everything: it is when overdosed
oxygen is toxic too but without any you suffocate
you can live without, and you can live with sugar - but don't overdose it

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