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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/12/2012 11:39:00 AM   
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I take it the main reason that HFCS much is in everything else instead is down to the corn industry's ungodly influence on your government?


Yes plus what LadyHib said:

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Much more of america is suited to growing corn (maize) than sugarcane, though there is a big sugar beet industry here in the north. HFCS is CHEAP to produce

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/12/2012 11:44:12 AM   
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Has anyone used to HFCS compared it to sugar based versions of the same stuff?


Yes, "Mexican Coke" with sugar tastes better than American Coke with HFCS.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2007/05/costco-is-selling-mexican-coke.html

If you like the Real Thing better made with real sugar and you happen to live near a Costco, you'll be happy to know that they're selling Mexican Coke: $17.99 for a case of 24 twelve ounce bottles, which comes out to 75c each. How'd Costco manage that, you ask? According to SFist, they've "conformed to CA and U.S. rules, such as CRV (the sort-of deposit you pay for the bottle) and "nutrition" labeling, so everything appears to be nice and legal."

Coca-Cola Corporate in Atlanta says there is "no perceptible taste difference" between Mexican Coke made with real sugar and US Coke made with high-fructose corn syrup, but as anyone who's ever had the two can tell you, that's wishful thinking—drinks made with real sugar have a clean sweetness and light mouthfeel to them, while those made with corn syrup have heavy mouthfeel and a cloying sweetness.

Don't believe me? A commenter on Jason Perlow's post on Passover Coke (made in the US with real sugar for the holiday) said he'd brought back real sugar Coke from Nicaragua and did blind taste tests with friends and family: "We used purified ice, cold bottle cokes with Sugar & HFCS and a rinse of purified water between taste. EVERYONE - to a person - can taste a difference and all prefer the sugar! Nearly half of the people were very sceptical, and said it was in our heads. They said “I remember that taste”, and “WOW, that IS better!”

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/12/2012 12:03:21 PM   
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Colonial Americans in the northern colonies used huge amounts of maple syrup, maple cream and maple sugar. Is that toxic also?


I couldn't find a historical comparison of sugar consumption but it doesn't seem like it became widely affordable until after the industrial revolution. Not everyone had a maple tree to tap :)

US sweetener consumption, 1966-2009, in dry pounds.



It is apparent from this graph that overall sweetener consumption, and in particular glucose-fructose mixtures, has increased since the introduction of HFCS. Thus, the amount of fructose consumed in the United States has increased since the early 1980s. This would be true whether the added sweetener was HFCS, table sugar, or any other glucose-fructose mixture.[30]

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/13/2012 12:15:20 AM   
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Here is the truth behind high fructose corn syrup. Since 1938, the U.S. government has subsidized certain crops to bolster their production and maintain levels to support the populace. At first, this was desperately needed, as conditions among other factors left our agriculture less than competitive. But as the years progressed, and we continued to pump more and more cash into the system, we created a glut of certain crops, mainly corn. We as tax payers, actually pay to have corn products produced and used in the vast amounts of seen today. As corn is a subsidized crop, it is cheaper to grow, cheaper to process, and cheaper to use. Not only that, since there is so much corn being grown, they have to find uses for it, hence everything uses high fructose corn syrup. We use it to get rid of it, plain and simple

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/13/2012 4:53:17 AM   
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It's worth remembering that Coke's contract with its bottlers and fast food franchises (to supply syrup at a fixed price), and the '70s embargo on sugar imports were a big factor in this as well.
If it hadn't been for that, nobody would have thought of using corn derivatives as a sugar substitute in the first place.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/14/2012 5:03:03 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omnivore%27s_Dilemma

Industrial

Pollan begins with an exploration of the food-production system from which the vast majority of American meals are derived. This industrial food chain is largely based on corn, whether it is eaten directly, fed to livestock, or processed into chemicals such as glucose[citation needed], often in the form of high-fructose corn syrup, and ethanol. Pollan discusses how the corn plant came to dominate the American diet through a combination of biological, cultural, and political factors. He visits George Naylor's corn farm in Iowa to learn more about those factors. He mentions the fact that human cultivation of corn has greatly benefited the plant, and that corn has come to depend on humans for its survival. He explains that the "cob and husk arrangement... renders the plant utterly dependent for its survival on an animal in possession of the opposable thumb needed to remove the husk, separate the seeds, and plant them" (26-27). [1] The role of petroleum in the cultivation and transportation of the American food supply is also discussed.

A fast food meal is used to illustrate the end result of the industrial food chain. Pollan is highly critical of the industrial model of agriculture. He describes how scientific innovations such as the creation of the Haber process to fix nitrogen allowed a widespread simplification of agriculture. He argues that at one time, farmers applied a cultural knowledge to the growth of plants, but that this "intelligence and local knowledge" (220) [1] has since been removed from their farms and put into the laboratory. He believes that this is a negative development, and that a return to localized agriculture would solve many of the health and environmental problems that have resulted from modern agricultural practices.

In addition to visiting Naylor's corn farm in Iowa, Pollan spends time in a feedlot, observing the conditions in which a steer is kept prior to slaughter. He explains that the steer is fed a corn-based diet, which has a detrimental affect on an animal designed to consume grass. Pollan claims that this unnatural diet detracts from the nutritional value of the meat produced from the steer, not to mention the quality of life of the animal. Additionally, Pollan explains that the excessive use of antibiotics in these feedlots has led to mad-cow disease and drug resistant microbes, neither of which would have become issues if cows were allowed to live under more natural conditions (78). [1]

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/14/2012 6:49:19 PM   
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avoid things in boxes


What??!!!  And give up StoveTop stuffing?? 

Life wouldn't be worth living. 


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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 1/14/2012 10:53:05 PM   
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The simple fact is that corn is not dependent on us, we are dependent on corn. According to the USDA's website, we have over 80 million acres of farmland used each year to grow the crop. 90 percent of all livestock feed is comprised of corn. And a full 20 percent of our national production is exported each year to other countries. We are a nation that sees fit to pay its farmers to grow corn, plain and simple. Our tax dollars have caused corn to be a lucrative crop to grow, and grow we do. These subsidies have caused us to spew out the grain in billions, that's with a "b", in bushels per state that grows. These numbers have caused us, according to the U.S. Grains Council's website for the 2011 year, to produce 331 million metric tons, or 12.1 billion bushels. To put that in perspective, China which has about 4 times our population, produced 158 million metric tons or 6.2 billion bushels.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 2/14/2012 10:37:47 PM   
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I stopped taking in as much suger as possible as part of my workout diet. I only drink diet sodas, no sweet tea (which is a big deal down south). I ate alot of candy and deserts that I cut out. I do feel a little better now. My dental checks ups go much smoother......

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 3/16/2012 5:31:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


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ORIGINAL: Soyokaze

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxic

Listening to people try to talk about health related things on internet forums is painful. PAINFUL. You guys don't have a clue what you're talking about. "His practice of taking suggestive evidence and insisting that it’s incontrovertible" means you should be very cautious of any argument he makes.



Oh dear heavens. What will kill us next, water?


Oh, it is quite possible to kill by drinking water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

and, anything, in enough quantities can be toxic, even if it just pushes our water balance or causes internal pressure.
the key?
use common sense.

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RE: Is Sugar Toxic? - 11/25/2012 9:20:33 PM   
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Carbs trigger the release of insulin from the pancreas. When the carb is refined, it is much more concentrated which causes the pancreas to produce MUCH more insulin. So if you consume refined carbs like sugar, flour or the worst - high fructose corn syrup - on a regular basis - your body stays flooded with insulin 24/7.

Insulin does much more than just lower your blood sugar - it encourages cells to reproduce. You need new cells to maintain your body. If your insulin level is normal your cell reproduction is normal - all is well. New cells replace old when needed.

BUT - if you're floating in insulin (as 90% Americans are), the insulin encourages cancer cells anywhere in your body to reproduce too. Little groups of seed tumors soon become large tumors and the cells metasticize around the body and you die.

This is why the 20% of women who have the highest chronic insulin levels in their blood are two to three times more likely to die of breast cancer! And two to three times as likely to not respond to chemotherapy, and two to three times as likely to have a reoccurance of bc and two to three times as likely to die.

Sugar equals cancer. It's not the sole cause but it increases the risk just as smoking increases the risk of lung cancer. Get off sugar.

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