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tazzygirl -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 9:50:44 AM)
Do me a favor and show me where I said to keep the status quo?

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 9:51:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: If the said company above... finds their picture on my site, they can complain, get my site shut down So don't use their picture. Hell, my undergrads learn this on their first designs. quote: not liking a censorship bill Still an anti-piracy bill, as your example illustrates. LMAO There are no alternative pictures or choices beyond taking pictures on a different model. I have 2000 items on my webstore. Reality is... Im not going to order 2000 products or pay for or photograph 2000 products to get my own pictures when my distributor sends them to me legally. take that how you will. And dont get me started on the payment and hosting parts Im done feeling like I have to justify my protest. have a good day

RakeAndCo -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 9:57:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule I doubt this law can be stopped: the purpose of politicians always is to screw the voter. If it goes through, I expect people to move away from the USA-Internet. Who needs the USA? Europe can start its own Europenet and people in the rest of the world could then switch their web from the USA to Europe. Let's exclude the USA, just like one of them former Soviet republics now excludes the rest of the world. Or start your own microweb in your own neighborhood. No Internet providers breathing in your neck and no copyright trolls violating the privacy of your communications. a) Global IPv4 networks do not work that way b) Global IPv6 networks do not work that way c) root-servers.net has US servers, which means that entities under the US jurisdiction will continue to be able to affect non-US parts d) most of CDNs rely on connectivity to efficiently distribute content to the edge e) quite a few European providers drag the traffic to the US in order to interconnect with Asia as it is much cheaper than to do it in Europe and Asia directly It makes me giggle when those that don't pay for 99% of services on the Internet think someone is doing to provide them for free on a micro level.

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 9:58:39 AM)
Then I'd say you take the risk of using copyrighted material without permission. If you're doing so legally, then there's no problem. Laugh it that's funny, fine.

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:00:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Do me a favor and show me where I said to keep the status quo? Do me a favor and show me how not changing the law isn't keeping the status quo.

RakeAndCo -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:00:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve Uh, no, it mostly about allowing media companies to control content on the interne. It is not. It is about dropping destroying the first sale doctrine. You no longer buy content from its owners. Rather you license it. And the stupid US population loves this model without understanding what it actually means.

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:02:08 AM)
It's about protecting the "right" to freely distribute and sell pirated goods.

tazzygirl -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:02:20 AM)
I didnt say anything about changing the law. I said I didnt like the implications of how it would be implemented. Now, Lucy showed that part. I am starting to read through the bill. If you can show me she was wrong....... The DoJ or the copyright owner would be able to commence a legal action against the alleged infringer and the DoJ would be allowed to demand that search engines, social networking sites and domain name services block access to the targeted site. In some cases, action could be taken to block sites without first allowing the alleged infringer to defend themselves in court. I would greatly appreciate you doing so.

RakeAndCo -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:03:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Rant aside, how exactly is addressing piracy "censorship"? As for complete control, the Internet runs of federal infrastructure--it has had complete control from the start, if it wanted/wants; it could turn off in a second. It does not. The last part of federal infrastructure disappeared when ANS became a private company.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:03:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then I'd say you take the risk of using copyrighted material without permission. If you're doing so legally, then there's no problem. Laugh it that's funny, fine. I have permission :) from the distributors. im doing nothing illegal but that wouldnt stop SOPA be realistic Ive been doing this for 11 years, Im not as stupid as you give me credit for yes I know what I just said

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:06:00 AM)
quote: I have permission :) from the distributors. im doing nothing illegal but that wouldnt stop SOPA be realistic Oh. The sky is falling. Now I get it.

RakeAndCo -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:08:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Yeah...and I'm not responsible for the stolen goods that found their way onto the back of my van either. This is the Internet. Sites pop up and vanish all that time. Without real teeth, copyright enforcement is just a game of whack a mole. You have no clue about this topic. The difference between this crap and less crappy DMCA ( which also sucks ) is that under DMCA you had to assert, under the penalty of perjury that you are the copyright holder in the take down notice. Incorrect assertion opened you to a liability. quote: YouTube does an excellent job. And no one's going after them. Again, you have no clue. Viacom v. Youtube.

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:11:31 AM)
And yet....YouTube is here.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:14:07 AM)
I'll unblock my site, redact my thoughts on the subject and recall my signatures and stop thinking like chicken little because you dont see why people are upset. Ill get right on that. when hell freezes over

RakeAndCo -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:14:10 AM)
quote: I think this bill only affects US internet services it has no authority over anyone outside the US...they are free to steal and use information and services in any way they please...just not in the US ICANN is under the US jurisdiction. So is IANA and ARIN. Case closed.

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:16:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I'll unblock my site, redact my thoughts on the subject and recall my signatures and stop thinking like chicken little because you dont see why people are upset. Ill get right on that. when hell freezes over Do what you want. I entirely see why people are upset. And it's over nothing, while ignoring a continuing problem. You'll be in business the next day. And the next year. Etc.

RakeAndCo -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And yet....YouTube is here. http://bit.ly/zO4hqk

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:23:37 AM)
Oh. Sarcasm. Very logical and thoroughly convincing. If I run a market, and the goods coming through it are stolen, and I said, "Well, what am I supposed to do about it?" that would never fly. The only difference here is a culture accustomed to ignoring the law for lack of enforcement.

Lucylastic -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:24:55 AM)
yeah its nothing but my livlihood, thanks SO much[8\|] Theres SO much "nothing" that these organisations have come out against it... what a waste of time! Specific Organizations Opposing H.R.3261 Creators’ Freedom Project Engine Advocacy 4chan Boing Boing Creative Commons Daily Kos Disqus Grooveshark Hype Machine Kickstarter MetaFilter O'Reilly Radar Techdirt Torrentfreak Go Daddy NetCoalition Consumer Electronics Association Computer and Communications Industry Association Public Knowledge Electronic Frontier Foundation EDUCAUSE Open Internet Coalition Bloomberg Google Yahoo Center for Democracy & Technology Business Software Alliance Twitter Zynga Facebook AOL Marc Andreessen, co-founder of Netscape and Andreessen Horowitz Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google Jack Dorsey, co-founder of Twitter and Square Caterina Fake, co-founder of Flickr and Hunch David Filo, co-founder of Yahoo! Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn Arianna Huffington, co-founder of The Huffington Post Chad Hurley, co-founder of YouTube Brewster Kahle, founder of the Internet Archive and co-founder of Alexa Internet Elon Musk, co-founder of PayPal Craig Newmark, founder of craigslist Pierre Omidyar, founder of eBay Biz Stone, co-founder of Obvious and Twitter Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation Evan Williams, co-founder of Blogger and Twitter Jerry Yang, co-founder of Yahoo! Progressive Change Campaign Committee Tumblr Mozilla Union Square Ventures MoveOn Wikimedia Foundation eBay Reddit American Civil Liberties Union Consumers Union American Library Association Computer & Communications Industry Association Human Rights First Consumer Federation of America Human Rights Watch Microsoft United States Student Association Irregular Times TechNet Information Technology Industry Council Association of Research Libraries Entertainment Consumers Assocation Writers Guild of America, West Reporters Without Borders Freedom House Association of College and Research Libraries Competitive Enterprise Institute TechAmerica TechFreedom Demand Progress U.S. Public Interest Group Internews New America Foundation’s Open Technology Initiative Center for Media Justice Center for Rural Strategies Brookings Institute American Society of News Editors Benetech Rackspace OpenDNS Stack Overflow Expedia Wikipedia WordPress Free Software Foundation Kaspersky Etsy Tech Crunch Quora Petzel ICanHasCheezburger Scribd LinkedIn PayPal Huffington Post Tucows Raw Story Internet Archive Miro Universal Subtitles Including the co founder of YOUTUBE

Musicmystery -> RE: SOPA and PIPA info (1/18/2012 10:29:58 AM)
quote: yeah its nothing but my livlihood, thanks SO much As it used to be mine, before piracy made it completely unfeasible. Thanks SO much. I"M concerned with something that IS happening. YOU'RE concerned about a fantasy about projected fears. Tell me....what are all you concerned citizens going to do to address the piracy issue? Oh, nothing. "Business"...er...theft....as usual.

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