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DaddySatyr -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 10:49:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I feel the need to speak to this, though and I think the OP may have a point because I have encountered a few "submissives" who have been obstinate or out-and-out disobedient because, in their view, that will get them a spanking (or a flogging or whatever).
He's given the impression that these are play partners, not a relationship, which makes a huge difference.



While I'm not much for "play partners", I would think my idea would work there, also. I am assuming that for a dominant, part of "play" is also some measure of submission as opposed to just the satisfaction of sadistic urges and I probably shouldn't assume but, that's how I arrived at that advice.

In other words (and I'm not being silly and making a joke); isn't it an act of sadism to deny also? These ladies to whom the OP refers (I'm guessing) want the rough behavior/spanking/flogging/whatever in their playtime, as well.

I'm not trying to be difficult, Oside but, I think my advice was pretty sound for either dynamic. I will admit that I am not much of a sadist and am not all that embroiled in BDSM activities, per se but, I've been called a "sadistic bastard" (in seriousness), on occasion.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



shylilbear -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 10:56:32 AM)

Except at one point he did refer to them as "his" subs/slaves.



OsideGirl -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:03:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I feel the need to speak to this, though and I think the OP may have a point because I have encountered a few "submissives" who have been obstinate or out-and-out disobedient because, in their view, that will get them a spanking (or a flogging or whatever).
He's given the impression that these are play partners, not a relationship, which makes a huge difference.



While I'm not much for "play partners", I would think my idea would work there, also. I am assuming that for a dominant, part of "play" is also some measure of submission as opposed to just the satisfaction of sadistic urges and I probably shouldn't assume but, that's how I arrived at that advice.

In other words (and I'm not being silly and making a joke); isn't it an act of sadism to deny also? These ladies to whom the OP refers (I'm guessing) want the rough behavior/spanking/flogging/whatever in their playtime, as well.

I'm not trying to be difficult, Oside but, I think my advice was pretty sound for either dynamic. I will admit that I am not much of a sadist and am not all that embroiled in BDSM activities, per se but, I've been called a "sadistic bastard" (in seriousness), on occasion.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


I'm not totally disagreeing in an absolute. Denying the "submissive" would be effective. But if it's a play date, then he's also denying himself. I know only a handful of guys that would choose to make a woman leave rather than get their rocks off.

It's just that my experience has shown me that play partners don't really have a D/s dynamic. It's usually more of Top and bottom dynamic. So expecting submission from someone that has only agreed to be a bottom seems unrealistic to me.



OsideGirl -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:06:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shylilbear

Except at one point he did refer to them as "his" subs/slaves.


Yeah, but that's actually fairly common, especially when they have regularly scheduled play dates. It does not mean it's a relationship of a D/s dynamic.



DaddySatyr -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:08:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


I'm not totally disagreeing in an absolute. Denying the "submissive" would be effective. But if it's a play date, then he's also denying himself. I know only a handful of guys that would choose to make a woman leave rather than get their rocks off.

It's just that my experience has shown me that play partners don't really have a D/s dynamic. It's usually more of Top and bottom dynamic. So expecting submission from someone that has only agreed to be a bottom seems unrealistic to me.


And I also take your point. It's probably why I'm not a very good "Top" when it comes to playdates. I really am not sadistic except in the mental sense. I love fucking with a girl's head during a "scene". So, for me, some level of control is necessary. I was projecting and I probably shouldn't have.

In all seriousness; I bow to just about everyone's knowledge of BDSM related activites, here. I am just not all that into that part of this lifestyle (with some exceptions).



Peace and comfort,



Michael



shylilbear -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:09:40 AM)

I've never played casually so I'm not familiar with any of that. Thank you for clarifying.



OsideGirl -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:24:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
So, for me, some level of control is necessary. I was projecting and I probably shouldn't have.[/color]


No No No. You contributed based on your dynamic. For all we know, his dynamic may be closer to what you're saying rather than what I'm saying.



BitaTruble -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:44:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: huntingwolf

I am sitting here asking myself why some subs and slaves always feel the need to talk back when ordered to do the smallest task ?? or they feel the need to fight while being taken ??

If it's happened more than once with the same person it's because you let them.

Good gawd, man. Why the hell do you think gags were invented?

The buck stops at the top, dude.



poise -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 11:57:50 AM)

You may find interest in reading this thread, OP, as it is a similar
query to yours, albeit worded slightly different.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4010631/tm.htm



angelikaJ -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 12:08:58 PM)

I have no sense of what type of dynamic the OP is playing in or rather, trying to discuss.

My post is not directed at other people who ably discussed various possibilities as to what he meant.

My post is to the OP, himself.

I am an owned slave.
My Master has never played with me in such a way that I forgot safewords, but I do not feel any less 'Mastered' for it.
For me, The power of He who Owns me comes from the absolute trust I have in Him.

To be owned, I had to prove I was worthy of being owned; and in turn He proved He was worthy of Owning me.

I have no trouble following His direction, whether in my regular life, or within our "play".
There is no battle for control; He has had that for 3 years.

If people are fighting you for control, then no matter how skilled you may be with implements and their use on a person, chances are: you don't have control to begin with.

edit: typo



Rochsub2009 -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 12:40:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: huntingwolf
True power is knowing you can brake anyone you choice at anytime you choice to and knowing your slave or sub feels that power in you now that is pricelss in my book and all of the slaves i have played with know full well I do have that power and i only choice to use it when i see fit to do so .


Actually, "true power" is the ability to string words together in a coherent fashion.  Your posts read like they were written using a random word generator.  I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that English is not your native language. 

Having said that, I hate to be a sub who "talks back", but I have to call bullshit on you.

If you were the Uber-Dom that you purport to be, then why are you coming on here asking questions that you should already know the answers to (since you apparently already have a stable of slaves)?  Frankly, I disagree with just about everything you've said so far.

For example, this:

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if you have never been driven to the point you forget things like safewords and or your name then you never have reached the point of true release but that is just my point of view in this matter "


Perhaps.  But maybe you should try a simpler safe word.  Perhaps something like "Stop!" or "That hurts!".  Just a suggestion.  [8|]

There may be times when a sub/slave does forget a safeword, but as the Dom, it is YOUR job to know their body language well enough to realize when that occurs, and whether you're pushing them too far.

BTW, what the hell does this mean?

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what i find is when i am harsh with a slave or sub and truly show my power over them everytime we play sooner then later i get shall I say bored with them or i turn up the heat to the point i brake them which i find can be fun at times but at other times it seems to me to be pointless therefor boring as hell to me


Words like that inspire neither respect, nor the desire to submit (at least in my opinion). 

Perhaps the answer to your question, "why do some slaves feel the need to talk back?", is that you haven't mastered yourself, nor your subs/slaves.  Once you do so, the talking back will likely cease.

Learn more.  Anyone can say that they're a "Dom" or "Master".  But the proof is when your subs/slaves agree with you.  And since yours are apparently talking back routinely, they obviously don't agree with your supposed status.  Think about it.  [;)]



huntingwolf -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 1:54:29 PM)

As far as relationships one has been on going for six years and one for two years and one for six months of the three the one for six years is the one i was speaking about she has seemed as of late to push the limits a bit far in the last three months or so like to day after court she got a little mouthy when asked about next weekend .I am thinking there is something more going on then she is telling me at this time but i just cant place my finger on it .And thank you all for some of your insights sometimes all it takes it speaking with the ones you care about and remember they humans with true feelings and dreams out side of the play room .I know some times i get so cought up in the moment that i fale to listen to not only my playmate but my oun heart as well for that i am only Human .



kalikshama -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:10:34 PM)

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like today after court she got a little mouthy when asked about next weekend


So her head was still in court case mode and you asked her about kink and didn't get the response you wanted? [8|]



huntingwolf -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:13:05 PM)

my six year relationship she is turning out to be more then just a plaything and we both know it part part of her is afraid of that fact .I just wish she would talk to be about it instead of being so bull headed about it maybe after work tonight at dinner i can get her to open up about it somewhat I hope and you will have to forgive me i am working on five things at once right now since i have court again tomorrow morning .What do you think i do in this matter i know what my heart is telling me and i am inclined to follow my heart on this one but i am unsure in someways for the life of me i dont know why >> and here is ks pic so you may see what i see [image]http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/coldhunter45/2068511.jpg[/image]



kalikshama -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:15:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009



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huntingwolf -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:18:14 PM)

[image]http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/coldhunter45/2042851.jpg[/image]here is one last pic before i head off to a meeting and thanks again for your insights in this matter .



kalikshama -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:21:08 PM)

How is she going to feel about you putting her pics here?



huntingwolf -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:28:37 PM)

well since she is sitting right here and we are talking things out she is fine with it now and by the way i am nolonger single it looks like i have met my match after all you see she reminded me of something just a moment ago [image]http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb430/coldhunter45/0a4kTS96c.jpg[/image] so thank you all for the insights



poise -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:33:34 PM)

Now that she is sitting right there with you, as opposed to waiting
for you to take her to dinner after work, lets change your question
from why do some slaves feel the need to talk back to
KC, why do you feel the need to talk back.

I hope that helped.



huntingwolf -> RE: why do some slaves feel the need to talk back (1/26/2012 2:57:46 PM)

lololol thank you http://www.collarme.com/poise we needed that laugh right now and i know why now it looks like i am going to be a father in six months or so damm what away to find out the truth about something i should of known thanks again too all of you it looks like one of the things i read about this site was right and wrong at the same time lol



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