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RE: new slave - 3/1/2012 3:11:10 PM   
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The topic keeps coming up, you keep pissing and moaning and guess what...... guys still get off on giving women money. Women still keep getting off on dominating men financially. Regardless of your pissing and whining.

If that's a win, I'd hate to see what you consider losing a debate.



Oh grow up, La T, please.

Firstly, I don't "piss and moan about findoms", or financial dommes, or whatever else they call themselves, because I don't care about them or their clients (or whatever said clients want to call themselves). I've come to the conclusion that this subject is for other women and other men. It isn't my world. Following from that, on this thread I've had no point to make about findoms one way or the other. Check my previous posts. I don't care about the matter.

Secondly, please try to see people as they are. You've put yourself in a position where you simply can't see me, La T. You have wilfully made yourself stupid. I can't think of any other way of putting it. By logical necessity, I simply can't respect a person who doesn't respect me, now can I?

Thirdly, you are a woman whose views of men I cannot respect because you, yourself, have announced repeatedly that you're prejudiced against men. I recall, fondly, the day that you said, in one thread 'I love men!' while in another you said, 'I rarely respect men'. Here, you've just dumped some tiresome biases about men on me here, that's all. It's silly and childish.

Please talk to *me*, not to some stereotype of men in general, as you see them, or don't speak to me at all.

Christ, I left this kind of conversation behind as an undergrad, decades ago. I can't be doing with it now.



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RE: new slave - 3/1/2012 3:12:13 PM   
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I use the "is everyone (reasonably) happy" guide when it comes to relationships. If someone is happy to give someone else money in exchange for... whatever...and the other is happy to accept it, then great. I choose to not base my close personal relationships on commerce.

We truly are too relationship focused here. Perhaps because so many have left the site, and the dichotomy of "love" v. "NSA" is more obvious. I know that the other side never had as many red letters that should be green five years ago. I used to think the men were joking until I checked for myself. I can assure you that the population of men who fall into my personal "not interesting" category was always large, and has just grown larger. (and I am describing the married and looking, the ones who need to hire an escort, and the young enough to be my child, not what some might think).

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RE: new slave - 3/1/2012 5:54:34 PM   
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Romeo, oh Romeo... where art the proof of your desires for me without the price tag?


Well, there are one or two who don't require you to buy them a house ... first! ;-)

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RE: new slave - 3/1/2012 6:06:11 PM   
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Perhaps because so many have left the site, and the dichotomy of "love" v. "NSA" is more obvious


Clearly true ...

The NSA numbers though, are getting overwhelming. Making the other side, hardly worth looking at any more.



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RE: new slave - 3/1/2012 9:08:42 PM   
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I do like how you have presented a number of things and have been fair...


Uhuh. I wrote "puke" because that's the reaction I have when romantic platitudes are regurgitated in discussions about dominance and submission. Crazyml said it best: "But fuck me if it isn't about the cheesiest thing I've seen written here on the boards."

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 3:37:57 AM   
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The topic keeps coming up, you keep pissing and moaning and guess what...... guys still get off on giving women money. Women still keep getting off on dominating men financially. Regardless of your pissing and whining.

If that's a win, I'd hate to see what you consider losing a debate.



Oh grow up, La T, please.

Firstly, I don't "piss and moan about findoms", or financial dommes, or whatever else they call themselves, because I don't care about them or their clients (or whatever said clients want to call themselves). I've come to the conclusion that this subject is for other women and other men. It isn't my world. Following from that, on this thread I've had no point to make about findoms one way or the other. Check my previous posts. I don't care about the matter.

Secondly, please try to see people as they are. You've put yourself in a position where you simply can't see me, La T. You have wilfully made yourself stupid. I can't think of any other way of putting it. By logical necessity, I simply can't respect a person who doesn't respect me, now can I?

Thirdly, you are a woman whose views of men I cannot respect because you, yourself, have announced repeatedly that you're prejudiced against men. I recall, fondly, the day that you said, in one thread 'I love men!' while in another you said, 'I rarely respect men'. Here, you've just dumped some tiresome biases about men on me here, that's all. It's silly and childish.

Please talk to *me*, not to some stereotype of men in general, as you see them, or don't speak to me at all.

Christ, I left this kind of conversation behind as an undergrad, decades ago. I can't be doing with it now.




ACTually Peon, you've consistently shown otherwise. On nearly every point you've attempted to make here.

As for your vision of me, well, you are welcome to it and it doesn't matter to me personally one way or another. But I do believe it is largely your own issues clouding the reality. I am reminded of another male that no longer posts here but consistently found much to be angry about in my words.

I don't care if you do not respect me simply because there are a large swath of men I don't respect. In case you've missed it because of your own personal filters, there are just as many women I do not respect. In my world respect is a quality that is earned, not owned simply by means of existance. I don't know you well enough to feel either way about you. I only find your words written here, often petty and churlish. My only vision of you is of a person that emotionally wants something they mentally cannot resign themself to. There is actually a lot of anger bubbling through in your words, especially when it comes to monetary issues. Whether you see it is neither here nor there to me.

Why you seem bent on making this discussion personal is beyond me. I've no interest in creating a relationship with another male, regardless of whether he's submissive or not. This discussion isn't personal TO ME. I simply enjoy the discussion especially when I can debate against narrow minded twits that seem hell bent on bringing their own personal shit that should be only their own personal relationship confines, and making it a measure of other people's relationships and existance.

Quit making my views about men in general, about you. I don't do it and neither should you. Hell, the men that are actually IN MY LIFE on a daily, or nearly daily, basis....don't get offended when we have these discussions I don't know why you, a nearly complete stranger whom I could pass on the street without having a clule, does. If my broad generalizations of a greater population does not apply to you, then it simply does not apply. Easy Peasy. Quit tossing such a childish hissy fit about it. Fucking live it instead of trying to argue it when the method in which you argue it makes you appear what you are arguing you are not. A frustrated angry little man that wants what his ego will not allow him to have. A more passive aggressive version of unaware.

You can ridicule and condescend toward women that don't fit the nice tidy little box you wish you could keep them in, allllllllll you want, but it's not going to change one god damned thing about us. It only reflects upon you.

Now, can we PLEASE keep this discussion on topic instead of about me (not a fin dom) or you (not a fin slave.) ???? If you wish to argue with me about you and me, email me. Or create a thread in Random Stupidity where it belongs.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 3:58:50 AM   
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I use the "is everyone (reasonably) happy" guide when it comes to relationships. If someone is happy to give someone else money in exchange for... whatever...and the other is happy to accept it, then great. I choose to not base my close personal relationships on commerce.

We truly are too relationship focused here. Perhaps because so many have left the site, and the dichotomy of "love" v. "NSA" is more obvious. I know that the other side never had as many red letters that should be green five years ago. I used to think the men were joking until I checked for myself. I can assure you that the population of men who fall into my personal "not interesting" category was always large, and has just grown larger. (and I am describing the married and looking, the ones who need to hire an escort, and the young enough to be my child, not what some might think).


I think that, on a personal level, we are probably in agreement.

And yes, I do believe that the romantic mushy stuff has become the gold standard by which everything is being measured and THAT, to ME, is wrong. Not because it's wrong for me personally or as a relationship goal for anyone. But it is wrong to shit all over every relationship goal that is not romantic mushiness simply because it doesn't fit us personally. That's the shit that causes me to dive into a debate with relish. Narrow minded twats that want everyone else to conform to their own personal one true way.

And fucking A......BDSM is a blanket in which power exchange dynamics exist that are not suburbia issue marriage with just a little slap tickle in the bedroom. But I'll be damned if that cute little suburban tripe isn't what is getting paraded around on this, a BDSM website, as the perfect relationship.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 4:57:33 AM   
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There is actually a lot of anger bubbling through in your words, especially when it comes to monetary issues. Whether you see it is neither here nor there to me. [Etc, etc.]


I actually laughed reading that. It was all so silly that I don't even know where to start with it.

La T, I really do think you should stick to reading the lines rather than what you imagine is between them. And I think you need to take off your ego-tinted specs, and cut out at least *some* of your projections, when you do so.

quote:


Now, can we PLEASE keep this discussion on topic instead of about me (not a fin dom) or you (not a fin slave.) ???? If you wish to argue with me about you and me, email me. Or create a thread in Random Stupidity where it belongs.


I think the best way to do that is for you not to start with the insults on this, a public board, in the first place, don't you?




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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 6:44:47 AM   
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I use the "is everyone (reasonably) happy" guide when it comes to relationships. If someone is happy to give someone else money in exchange for... whatever...and the other is happy to accept it, then great. I choose to not base my close personal relationships on commerce.

We truly are too relationship focused here. Perhaps because so many have left the site, and the dichotomy of "love" v. "NSA" is more obvious.



But it is wrong to shit all over every relationship goal that is not romantic mushiness simply because it doesn't fit us personally. That's the shit that causes me to dive into a debate with relish. Narrow minded twats that want everyone else to conform to their own personal one true way.

And fucking A......BDSM is a blanket in which power exchange dynamics exist that are not suburbia issue marriage with just a little slap tickle in the bedroom. But I'll be damned if that cute little suburban tripe isn't what is getting paraded around on this, a BDSM website, as the perfect relationship.


I agree with both of you. This site at times becomes far too narrow in its focus. Yes, romantic D/s relationships are the goal for some. But others are just looking for someone to get on webcam and wank with them. Still others are looking for a pro-Domme to meet them at a hotel, tie them up and spank them, and then send him home to his wife and kids. Others are looking for someone to call "Master", and treat them like property rather than like a "partner". Others are simply looking for someone to piss on them, or shit on them. Some just want to do NSA housework. Others just want someone to smash their penis with a hammer. And still others are simply looking for someone to buy them items off of their Amazon Wishlist.

I try to support as many kinks as I can. I'm not into sending money to 20 year old "Dommes" whose only experience with domination is spending other people's hard-earned cash. But I never say that they don't have a right to do that. In fact, there is another thread going on right now in which I am arguing that financial domination is not "exploitation" if both parties enter into it consensually.

When I said that more Dommes should emulate Ms. Eve, it was because She espouses a form of M/s that establishes a clear power imbalance. It is not about romance or money. It is not about finding a husband (not that there is anything wrong with that). She espouses pure slavery. And She believes that if one is Her Slave, then their money is a part of that slavery. And She never wavers from Her stance. She could have far more slaves if She lowered her standards and simply took money slaves. But She doesn't. She has a specific vision of Her particular brand of M/s, and She never wavers from it. Moreover, it involves true power exchange, and not just currency exchange.

That is what i respect about Her, and that is what i think more Dommes could benefit from emulating. Yes, She incorporates financial slavery into her brand of M/s. But there is a clear M/s relationship that is established, it it entails far more than a silly Amazon Wishlist.

I hope that clarifies my point. As i said, Ms. Eve is more than capable of speaking for Herself. Moreover, i don't want to derail the thread by making it about Her.

So to get back on the subject, I agree with both of you when you say that CollarMe has morphed over the years, and has become far more focused on romantic D/s, and far less accepting of other aspects of the BDSM spectrum.

What ever happened to YKINMKBYKIOK?

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 6:54:09 AM   
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Oops! I just realized that THIS is the thread in which I am arguing the virtues of financial domination and pointing out that it is not exploitation. For some reason, I thought that was a separate thread.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 7:30:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

There is actually a lot of anger bubbling through in your words, especially when it comes to monetary issues. Whether you see it is neither here nor there to me. [Etc, etc.]


I actually laughed reading that. It was all so silly that I don't even know where to start with it.

La T, I really do think you should stick to reading the lines rather than what you imagine is between them. And I think you need to take off your ego-tinted specs, and cut out at least *some* of your projections, when you do so.

quote:


Now, can we PLEASE keep this discussion on topic instead of about me (not a fin dom) or you (not a fin slave.) ???? If you wish to argue with me about you and me, email me. Or create a thread in Random Stupidity where it belongs.


I think the best way to do that is for you not to start with the insults on this, a public board, in the first place, don't you?





As I said before......if you want to continue with the childish bickering.......email me or create an appropriate thread. Otherwise, sit on your hands or occupy them with on of your favourite activities. Either would be more productive and respectful of the other participants of this thread.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 7:41:00 AM   
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Roch, I don't know what happened to it.

Personally I think we humans are so bloody good at bungling, it's inevitable. I've often been accused of man hating but the reality is I am probably more a misanthropist than anything else.

It seems we simply MUST be able to put things, including other humans, into nice neat little tidy boxes.

I know I was awful when I first joined this site. I was rude and quite cuntish to anyone that didn't fit my own personal vision and to top the whole thing off with a nasty little cherry, my personal vision was pretty fucked up as well. I thought things had to BE a certain way and anything that didn't fit that particular box was simply wrong.

There are few people posting here from that time. But I know one that was, whom I was really nasty to. While his vision of his ideal couldn't be more opposite than my vision for my ideal we have managed to get past that and actually communicate like reasonably intelligent, rational adults. If he made the offer he made back then, now, I would react in a completely different manner. Though I don't imagine he would as there is no reason for it.

All too often I find myself on threads like this, debating a 'side' that doesn't even fit my own personal life path. Simply for the reason that I feel that point of view deserves to be defended. Even if I don't agree with it personally.......for ME. Just because it isn't my choice or my life path, doesn't make it bad or wrong.

I think we as humans tend to really struggle with that concept. I know it's something I fight within myself constantly.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 7:53:20 AM   
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As I said before......if you want to continue with the childish bickering.......email me or create an appropriate thread. Otherwise, sit on your hands or occupy them with on of your favourite activities. Either would be more productive and respectful of the other participants of this thread.


Excellent - even better than your last!

Well, whatever. OK, La T.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:43:36 AM   
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As I said before......if you want to continue with the childish bickering.......email me or create an appropriate thread. Otherwise, sit on your hands or occupy them with on of your favourite activities. Either would be more productive and respectful of the other participants of this thread.


Excellent - even better than your last!



Will you two lovers get a room already?!

It's apparent to all of the rest of us that the solution to your problem is a good shag. After that, you'll both return smoking a cigarette, holding hands, and singing "Kumbaya".

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:47:29 AM   
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He's too cheap. He'd make me buy my own smokes.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:50:35 AM   
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He's too cheap. He'd make me buy my own smokes.


LOL

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 10:16:31 AM   
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Now here's a competition for you, Saharah. I mean it most earnestly.

If you and I were to meet, I reckon I could make you want to be my friend, as an equal, before you could make me want to be your slave with you as my Goddess.



BTW, I forgot to comment on this when you posted it, but trust me, Peon, you would lose.

Ms. Eve would have you wearing a collar and leash so fast it would make your head spin.

Believe me when I say, "Resistance is futile".

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 10:20:04 AM   
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Now here's a competition for you, Saharah. I mean it most earnestly.

If you and I were to meet, I reckon I could make you want to be my friend, as an equal, before you could make me want to be your slave with you as my Goddess.



Trust me, Peon, you would lose.

Ms. Eve would have you wearing a collar and leash so fast it would make your head spin.

Believe me when I say, "Resistance is futile".



Yanno, I really don't think that's true, for a lot of reasons. Ms Eve really appeals to a subset of men, and I can think of only a few who would be interested in her style for more than a weekend---one or two who would last more than a year.

The female supremacy trip isn't everyone's interest. The trope where the superiior female is dressed in stilettos and miniskirts with minimal underwear, okay, that's appealing on pay per view!

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 10:29:31 AM   
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The female supremacy trip isn't everyone's interest.



I agree. I wasn't saying that female supremacy is for everyone. I was actually just having a bit of fun with Peon.

The reality of it is that WIITWD is so diverse, and comes in so many different forms, that it amazes me that some still insist on calling it a "community". Many of us have absolutely nothing in common, despite falling under the BDSM umbrella.

The majority of people on CM would not be compatible, even though we are all on the same website. Both Peon and I identify as male submissives, yet our interpretation of that is very different. And then there is Otterswim whose interpretation is different than either of ours.

Lady Pact is into leather and a poly household. That's not going to appeal to all subs.

Ron is into blowjobs. He may be the only one on this site who is universally appealing to every female sub on CM (I can't believe I actually typed that with a straight face).

My point is that everybody is seeking something different. Nobody's brand of D/s (or M/s) is going to appeal to everybody.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 10:33:25 AM   
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Believe me when I say, "Resistance is futile".


Nup. One joke from me that gives her a belly-laugh and her game would be over. It never fails.

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