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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 10:35:41 AM   
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Ron's appeal is UNIVERSAL!! It's the shiny head, women everywhere want to hump it. Or maybe that's just me and Cali... Anyway.

It's a large world of kink, and I like to think there is room for everyone in it without each of us having to defend our "territory". I also believe in ghosts, and the power of chocolate chip cookies as a force for good.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 12:52:52 PM   
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The female supremacy trip isn't everyone's interest.



I agree. I wasn't saying that female supremacy is for everyone. I was actually just having a bit of fun with Peon.

The reality of it is that WIITWD is so diverse, and comes in so many different forms, that it amazes me that some still insist on calling it a "community". Many of us have absolutely nothing in common, despite falling under the BDSM umbrella.

The majority of people on CM would not be compatible, even though we are all on the same website. Both Peon and I identify as male submissives, yet our interpretation of that is very different. And then there is Otterswim whose interpretation is different than either of ours.

Lady Pact is into leather and a poly household. That's not going to appeal to all subs.

Ron is into blowjobs. He may be the only one on this site who is universally appealing to every female sub on CM (I can't believe I actually typed that with a straight face).

My point is that everybody is seeking something different. Nobody's brand of D/s (or M/s) is going to appeal to everybody.


Well said, Rochsub. While what you say makes perfect sense, that doesn't keep people from still stating the obvious: (______) will only appeal to a subset of men, (______) won't last for most people, etc., ad nauseam. Consensual slavery certainly isn't for everyone. All Mistresses are different, too. Before anyone purports to know what will and won't work for someone serving a person like myself, for instance, it would (again) be wise to know who she is in full dimension, not pretend to have the authority to run the likely numbers on relationship longevity with her within a little internet window.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 3:56:10 PM   
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All Mistresses are different, too.



Exactly. Which is why subs or slaves (the terminology to me is immaterial) advocating that a dominant emulate *anybody* seem to me self-serving. lol

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 7:55:03 PM   
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are there any Mistress on here that dont expect money or tribute to serve them?


No, unfortunately not......wait.....there is one.

I need $135.00 to give you her name.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 7:57:15 PM   
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All Mistresses are different, too.



Exactly. Which is why subs or slaves (the terminology to me is immaterial) advocating that a dominant emulate *anybody* seem to me self-serving. lol

** edited for grammar ;)


Gawd, yes. I shiver at the thought of any femdom trying to emulate another. There's power and power and power. But there are also people and people and people. Any BDSM relationship involves different personalities as well as different ideas of power exchange and enjoyment arising therefrom.

But there's another thing. I think Roch gets the nub of it, for me, when he says:

"When I said that more Dommes should emulate Ms. Eve, it was because She espouses a form of M/s that establishes a clear power imbalance. It is not about romance or money. It is not about finding a husband (not that there is anything wrong with that). She espouses pure slavery. And She believes that if one is Her Slave, then their money is a part of that slavery. And She never wavers from Her stance. She could have far more slaves if She lowered her standards and simply took money slaves. But She doesn't. She has a specific vision of Her particular brand of M/s, and She never wavers from it. Moreover, it involves true power exchange, and not just currency exchange."

OK, I get that. For what it's worth, I think that what SE does she does very well indeed. I've no doubt that things work happily for both herself and the people she's involved with in her own brand of D/s activities.

There are quite a number of reasons why an arrangement between a dom in which payments exchange hands, and myself, couldn't work.

I say 'couldn't work' deliberately: 'God knows', I've so often thought, 'If only it could. You cough up some money, go home afterwards, no strings . . .' But, no, it isn't me.

A lot of those aforementioned reasons go to (frequently quite volcanic) arguments that have been done to death on these boards and I can't be bothered to pursue them all again now.

What I will say, though, is that my image of a relationship - however brief and fleeting (and, yes, I've had some of those) - with a femdom depends an awful lot for its enjoyment on contrasts. I get off on the idea of a woman who can jump from 'ordinary' to 'Goddess' and back again. She has to be able to pass the 'tickle test' - because, at some point soon after the hypothetical femdom and I have met, I literally will tickle her. She will occasionally cry, get bad period pains and complain about wrinkles and getting fat. I don't want her ever to give up anything of herself for the sake of maintaining power because, for me, that would only ever be a bogus sort of power . For me, that implies a cold, cold world. As her 'slave', it'd be a frozen world for me, too.

This is not to imply that nothing short of a full-blown romance and the ensuing LTR will do for me, though. Were that to be the case, I could never even have a wank. (And by Crackey, I certainly do enjoy those hearty wanks, as I've frequently said.) But with a real, live woman, I do need to see certain attributes in her for me to *feel* that she's being a real, live woman, with me. Otherwise I'll see all sorts of things that will depress me. I get depressed at the thought of a woman who feels that she just must teeter on stilettos even when her feet are hurting, or when she wears too few clothes for the cold weather, or when she can't have me seeing her in the morning before she's slapped on make up. With femdoms, I find all such traits that much more depressing because, for me, it looks like they're in effect being dominated by the 'trappings of dominance' and I imagine their insides to be slowly dying as a result. I had such bleakness in my life once, I never want to see it again, in anybody. It makes me shudder to see even the hint of it. Moreover, it feels like a travesty of both dominance, as well as relationships of any kind.

It really does, I think, boil down to what 'feels like the real thing' for each of us. This is my reality; others are welcome to their own. But I do have to say, and without meaning any offence to SE whatsoever, that I never, ever want any femdom with whom I get together even for some whip 'n' flog fun at a BDSM venue, to follow the road that SE has taken. I'm afraid I don't like what I suspect to be at the end of that road, and for a femdom to compare herself to SE would be to start along it.











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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:03:05 PM   
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Go to sleep, Darling. Xoxo

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:06:09 PM   
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No. I'm still celebrating. Besides, I feel an urge to crack one off first.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:22:20 PM   
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Priorities! I understand. Think of me

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:30:42 PM   
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I just did. Sorry, I should have asked first.

*Now* I can go to bed.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:32:40 PM   
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Sleep well~ watch for email tomorrow night!

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 8:55:13 PM   
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She will occasionally cry, get bad period pains and complain about wrinkles and getting fat. I don't want her ever to give up anything of herself for the sake of maintaining power because, for me, that would only ever be a bogus sort of power . For me, that implies a cold, cold world. As her 'slave', it'd be a frozen world for me, too.

Do you take me as a Woman of marble, sitting on a marble throne? You shouldn't. I have my warmth and human faults plain enough for my slaves to see, though I also embody the Goddess in the same body and mind; one does not preclude the other. I am both. Any Woman with the gumption can be both.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I never, ever want any femdom with whom I get together even for some whip 'n' flog fun at a BDSM venue, to follow the road that SE has taken. I'm afraid I don't like what I suspect to be at the end of that road.

Ah, but it's so tempting for some. Rest assured, what awaits at the end of that dark, wooded road is grim. Some are drawn to it for this very reason. But as you say, people are different. Some don't see it much as a dark road at all, but a temple, where the bent, scary trees turn to columns of alabaster—a place where souls prostrate naked, begging for a new purpose. That fact alone doesn't keep me from burping, having bad hair days, or eating too many double-stuff Oreo cookies now and then.

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RE: new slave - 3/2/2012 10:02:08 PM   
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But with a real, live woman, I do need to see certain attributes in her for me to *feel* that she's being a real, live woman, with me........ I get depressed at the thought of a woman who feels that she just must teeter on stilettos even when her feet are hurting, or when she wears too few clothes for the cold weather, or when she can't have me seeing her in the morning before she's slapped on make up. With femdoms, I find all such traits that much more depressing because, for me, it looks like they're in effect being dominated by the 'trappings of dominance'



I can appreciate this. I was briefly with a Domme who had a very different view of D/s than I did. She had lots of leather and latex, and dressing up in her "Domme costumes" was an important part of her enjoyment of D/s. And because she enjoyed dressing up, she wanted me to do so as well. But I'm really not into dressing up. In fact, I own almost no "sub costumes".

Personally, I feel far more submitted when I'm dressed in regular clothes cooking her dinner, shoveling the snow from her driveway, or running her bathwater, than I do when I'm dressed up in leather gear to go to a "play party". To me, play parties feel more like "Show & Tell" than like real D/s. But that's just me.

So our fundamental views of D/s were different. She loved getting dressed up to go to the play parties each weekend, and I loved staying at home and pampering her. There's nothing wrong with either approach. It's just that she saw the former as the most fundamental and enjoyable aspect of D/s, while I saw the latter as most essential and enjoyable.

Ultimately, we both realized that we were mismatched, and we went our separate ways.



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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 1:21:25 AM   
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I get depressed at the thought of a woman who feels that she just must teeter on stilettos even when her feet are hurting, or when she wears too few clothes for the cold weather, or when she can't have me seeing her in the morning before she's slapped on make up. With femdoms, I find all such traits that much more depressing because, for me, it looks like they're in effect being dominated by the 'trappings of dominance' and I imagine their insides to be slowly dying as a result.



C'mon over to my house Peon. I don't wear makeup, my favorite 'Domme' outfit is a sweatshirt, yoga pants, and Crocs/Uggs...if I wear any shoes at all. Domme-casual attire makes it SO comfy to dom and dom some more. There's not a speck of polish on my toes or fingernails. I may or may not have recently depilated. I'll even make a fire so you can scamper about naked without suffering frostbite on your dingle!


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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 6:19:07 AM   
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I get depressed at the thought of a woman who feels that she just must teeter on stilettos even when her feet are hurting, or when she wears too few clothes for the cold weather, or when she can't have me seeing her in the morning before she's slapped on make up. With femdoms, I find all such traits that much more depressing because, for me, it looks like they're in effect being dominated by the 'trappings of dominance' and I imagine their insides to be slowly dying as a result.



C'mon over to my house Peon. I don't wear makeup, my favorite 'Domme' outfit is a sweatshirt, yoga pants, and Crocs/Uggs...if I wear any shoes at all. Domme-casual attire makes it SO comfy to dom and dom some more. There's not a speck of polish on my toes or fingernails. I may or may not have recently depilated. I'll even make a fire so you can scamper about naked without suffering frostbite on your dingle!




I love you, man! (you know what I mean!) Though my favorite outfit is more like floaty dress, and my mani/pedi is perfect!

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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 7:07:49 AM   
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Ultimately, we both realized that we were mismatched, and we went our separate ways.




Is this a recent development Roch, m'dear? This question is born of sincere, concerned solicitousness. I care for your well-being. (Secretly checking Rochsub's profile to see if I can zero in on his location. No one will be suspicious, if I drive my work van (the one with no side or rear windows) round and round his town, will they? Rope? Check. Ether? Check. Duct tape?...)

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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 7:56:04 AM   
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FR, I have say that I appreciate and admire the most recent drift this thread has taken on this page.

As an aside, I think it's very easy to make assumptions about people in this medium. I view it much like how people view celebrities. So often we only see pieces, glimpses, of people. Our imagination does the human thing of filling in the rest. Usually wrongly. I think it's often the greatest hurdle to creating relationships online.

As example, submissive men, being very visual, constantly see images of dominant women that turn them on. They begin seeing dominant women in that light and forget that, regardless of the fleeting images, there is a whole other life those women have that can have very little to do with those images that are but a moment of those women's lives. It's not wrong, it just is.

I think there is a whole unique issue of being female that creates the disconnect between a dominant woman online and a submissive man online. All of that is for a different thread I think.

Peon, I honestly appreciate the post #165.

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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 4:43:45 PM   
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As an aside, I think it's very easy to make assumptions about people in this medium.


Agreed.

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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 5:00:00 PM   
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Peon, I honestly appreciate the post #165.


Thank you, La T. :-)

I'm sorry I didn't post what I wanted to post before, but I wasn't in the right situation.


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RE: new slave - 3/3/2012 5:50:06 PM   
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Some don't see it much as a dark road at all, but a temple, where the bent, scary trees turn to columns of alabaster—a place where souls prostrate naked, begging for a new purpose. That fact alone doesn't keep me from burping, having bad hair days, or eating too many double-stuff Oreo cookies now and then.


I don't do poetry, SE. Not my bag.

However, I'll teach you how to progress from burping to full-blooded belching. For the standard fee, natch, though I might consider a discount were you to present me with flowers.

That's it: off you go now, and consider your options. ;-)


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RE: new slave - 3/5/2012 6:21:31 AM   
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Is this a recent development Roch, m'dear?



Nah. This was about 3 years ago.

(Checks out window for mysterious looking vans parked outside).

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