RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum"

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 12:37:47 PM

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At this point, the candidates aren't going to be picking up many new supporters. We all know who they are at this point.

In Romney's case, he would be better off if he named his VP soon. I'm pretty sure that he wants to name Rand Paul as VP, which would help to collect the more conservative vote, but with Ron Paul being in the race this situation is complicated.

Marco Rubio would be an alternative, but I think that would be Gingrich or Santorum's man, as he dabbled in Mormonism himself and many Americans are not too warm with that idea.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 1:00:31 PM

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He will hold it off till the convention, one to be conventional, and two, if he needs votes to parley he can direct it by choice of VP. Too early to shoot blanks on this one, nobody remembers yesterday at convention or november. And super tuesday still looms, and it is a horse apiece if he is in trouble after.................It would be a colossal waste of a crisis right now.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 1:21:16 PM

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He will hold off until the convention because after Super tuesday, the nomination will probably be close to a forgone conclusion but he still needs people in the party to kiss his ass. The only way to do that is to give them a slim hope that either they or someone who owes them a favor will get the VEEP spot.
If he announces too soon, all those people will stop ass kissing and start back stabbing.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 1:52:58 PM

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And if it isn't at least semi-forgone; he can float names for seeing how he can get it forgone, who is around hes gotta do the horizontal watusi with to satisfy the teabaggers and neo-cons.

Which is a lose-lose for him in the general.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 2:33:14 PM

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At this point, the candidates aren't going to be picking up many new supporters. We all know who they are at this poin

Right... but this is also where the delegate poker starts in a race so badly split.

This is where the real pissing is going to start, I believe that last time there was a race anywhere near this contentious you weren't even a gleam in your dad's eye.
That was the year John Anderson secured victory for Ronald Reagan in the general election with his remarkable side show. It wasn't NEAR as certain before that guy's candidacy went indy.

I don't however think the republicans have a rabbit for the hat this time.
But this circus you see playing out is going to be a wild ride for some time to come.

This'll sound crazy, but if Santorum and Gingrich are card players, Gingrich is going to take the dive days before super tuesday and throw his support enthusiastically behind Santorum. And if Ron Paul wasn't simply the foil-headed mental patient we all know he is, he would follow suit. That would really clear Romney's clock and give republicans a chance to bargain for their future. If it goes with the Romney/Rubio ticket. That means Republicans become the feed cattle of The John Paulson / Paul Singer cabal like for a LONG way into the future.
Too bad republicans are smart enough to realize they have the EXTRAORDINARY OPPORTUNITY to take their part back and heal it, but they're pussies and will probably vote the sterile vote of "I THINK he can beat Obama" ... Poor bastards.
Course... maintain a coldhearted attitude toward your fellow man long enough and it comes back to fuck ya.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 6:40:59 PM

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Actually, according to HuffPost, Romney didn't exactly "win" MI. Romney did get more votes than Santorum, but because MI isn't a winner-take-all state, they each ended up with 15 delegates. Santorum is claiming it a win for himself because that shouldn't have happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/michigan-delegates-romney-santorum-_n_1310366.html?ncid=webmail3

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 6:49:19 PM

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Actually, according to HuffPost, Romney didn't exactly "win" MI. Romney did get more votes than Santorum, but because MI isn't a winner-take-all state, they each ended up with 15 delegates. Santorum is claiming it a win for himself because that shouldn't have happened.

I agree ... that was what I attempted to say at the outset... It was a TERRIBLE performance for Romney and the funny thing is that HE KNEW it was coming ... they were trying to diminish the value of the state for like a week beforehand.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 2/29/2012 7:18:49 PM

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Maybe we`ll get a Mitt/Rick tick......or a Rick/Mitt tick.......depending.......

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/1/2012 5:37:13 AM

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Maybe they could all get nominated, and then be President on alternating days if they win?
(I'm sure Gringrich can be trusted to draw up the rota for that...)

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/1/2012 6:15:34 AM

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Maybe we`ll get a Mitt/Rick tick......or a Rick/Mitt tick.......depending......

I dunno, but I hear Mitt's already picked a new limo service for when he walks his co-loser down the red carpet. One that will maintain the theme of his campaign so far and yet add some flash... Check it out

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/1/2012 6:30:59 PM

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Mitt Romney's come-from-behind win in his native Michigan

Hmm ... a state with over 7.5 million registered voters ... and an OPEN PRIMARY

With a turnout for the Republican Primary of BARELY ONE MILLION.

I am thinking this whole fiasco is based on appealing to the national media ... while the Republican party itself ...

as already conceded defeat ...

to President Obama in November.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/1/2012 6:50:34 PM

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And a turnout for the Republican Primary of BARELY ONE MILLION.

I am thinking this whole fiasco is based on appealing to the national media ... while the Republican party itself ...

as already conceded defeat ...

to President Obama in November.

I only know one person from Michigan personally. And the only discussion we've ever had about politics was in 09. And he was FURIOUS that the republicans (in his words had over a decade, but particularly in recent years) left his state for dead. And Jim is a republican still as far as I they may have a lot of backlash over auto industry issues in particular that make them vote across party lines, or even stay home.
I'm no expert as I say. But even a neophyte knows, if you can't win the state your Dad was governor of by a wide margin, then something is wrong

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/1/2012 7:06:30 PM

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I only know one person from Michigan personally. And the only discussion we've ever had about politics was in 09. And he was FURIOUS that the republicans (in his words had over a decade, but particularly in recent years) left his state for dead. And Jim is a republican still as far as I they may have a lot of backlash over auto industry issues in particular that make them vote across party lines, or even stay home.
I'm no expert as I say. But even a neophyte knows, if you can't win the state your Dad was governor of by a wide margin, then something is wrong

You are on the money!

In fact Mitt Romney's dad was very popular in Michigan. The italics below are from Wikapedia ... about his dad's first election. His Dad was a landslide winner again in 1964 and 1966.

I point out 1964, particularly, since his dad overcame the national Democratic landslide that year. Lots of split tickets in Michigan that year!

"George Romney won by some 80,000 votes and ended a fourteen-year stretch of Democratic rule in the state executive spot. His win was attributed to his appeal to independent voters and to those from the increasingly influential suburbs of Detroit, who by 1962 were more likely to vote Republican than the heavily Democratic residents of the city itself."

Mitt lacks that appeal ... and slit his own throat decrying the Auto Bailouts ... that honestly, Geo W Bush started.

This primary clearly cost the Republicans the entire state, and every office, for the next decade.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/2/2012 8:24:00 AM

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"George Romney won by some 80,000 votes and ended a fourteen-year stretch of Democratic rule in the state executive spot. His win was attributed to his appeal to independent voters and to those from the increasingly influential suburbs of Detroit, who by 1962 were more likely to vote Republican than the heavily Democratic residents of the city itself."

Wow ... I knew old George was popular but an 80k lead... today, 1/4 of that is a crushing landslide in a state election even in a big state.
I remember this about him... I think he went up in the primaries against Nixon and i remember my Dad saying something to the effect of I hope that Bobby runs against at least decent opponent like Romney. Nixon is <pick an expletive>" ... Since he was a staffer in Kennedy's campaign... he had no love for Nixon.
Anyway, not that it's good to hear anybody got fucked or let down at bailout time cause well, we're all neighbors to an extent and what hurts out there, hurts back here. But it's good to better understand the background from people who are more familiar with the local situation.
If you don't mind my asking, is Flint really as bad as they make out in news pieces?
A couple of years ago they were making Flint and Detroit sound like no man's lands.
Or was that just hype?

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/2/2012 5:34:32 PM

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If you don't mind my asking, is Flint really as bad as they make out in news pieces?

A couple of years ago they were making Flint and Detroit sound like no man's lands.
Or was that just hype?

Yes, they are .... both of them.

Since i was born in Detroit, and work in the Downtown today, I actually have a good insight on them.

They are waste lands! Seriously!

Flint ... I do not know what will become of it ...

Detroit ... has two people trying to save it ...

Mike Illich, who owns the Detroit Tigers and Detroit Red Wings, as well as

Dan Gilbert , best known as the Owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers

And I guess I should add Dave Bing, the NBA Hall of Famer.

So it's three.

That said, when I leave work, and drive a couple blocks from this one area,, then all you see is abandoned buildings.

Abandoned buildings with Names children from the 1950's would consider household names.

It is sickening ... and downtown Flint is the same way.

There is hardly any Law or Order outside the Downtown area's ...

and truthfully, they are more unsafe to American Citizens than ANYTHING in Iraq or Afghanistan

Even teens carrying AK- 47's ...

Not a pretty site.

That said .... it is tuff to say what could fix this economic devastation. If it is even fixable.

But the scary part ... the forecast that this is .. WHERE AMERICA IS HEADED!

I am sure, neither party has any solutions , when they block out facts, and say my way or the highway ...

Then they FORGET, the Consitution was written on COMPROMISE

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/2/2012 6:01:38 PM

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"George Romney won by some 80,000 votes and ended a fourteen-year stretch of Democratic rule in the state executive spot. His win was attributed to his appeal to independent voters and to those from the increasingly influential suburbs of Detroit, who by 1962 were more likely to vote Republican than the heavily Democratic residents of the city itself."

If you don't mind my asking, is Flint really as bad as they make out in news pieces?

I am guessing you are from Flint. And all I can say, is

you would cry!

It's proud history ... totally gone.

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/2/2012 6:11:36 PM

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At this point, the candidates aren't going to be picking up many new supporters. We all know who they are at this point.

In Romney's case, he would be better off if he named his VP soon. I'm pretty sure that he wants to name Rand Paul as VP, which would help to collect the more conservative vote, but with Ron Paul being in the race this situation is complicated.

Marco Rubio would be an alternative, but I think that would be Gingrich or Santorum's man, as he dabbled in Mormonism himself and many Americans are not too warm with that idea.

Do you actually understand american politics,naming a VP while the nomination is still in doubt would blow up in his face,it would be seen as the height of hubris and would make his"my wife drives a few Cadillacs"seem trivial.
Perhaps you sit back and actually try to learn how this process works

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/2/2012 6:18:47 PM

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RE: "No Knock-Out Punch On Rick Santorum" - 3/2/2012 6:24:24 PM

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Yes, they are .... both of them.

Since i was born in Detroit, and work in the Downtown today, I actually have a good insight on them.

They are waste lands! Seriously!

Flint ... I do not know what will become of it ...

Detroit ... has two people trying to save it ...

Mike Illich, who owns the Detroit Tigers and Detroit Red Wings, as well as

Dan Gilbert , best known as the Owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers

And I guess I should add Dave Bing, the NBA Hall of Famer.

So it's three.

That said, when I leave work, and drive a couple blocks from this one area,, then all you see is abandoned buildings.

Abandoned buildings with Names children from the 1950's would consider household names.

It is sickening ... and downtown Flint is the same way.

There is hardly any Law or Order outside the Downtown area's ...

and truthfully, they are more unsafe to American Citizens than ANYTHING in Iraq or Afghanistan

Even teens carrying AK- 47's ...

Not a pretty site.

That said .... it is tuff to say what could fix this economic devastation. If it is even fixable.

But the scary part ... the forecast that this is .. WHERE AMERICA IS HEADED!

I am sure, neither party has any solutions , when they block out facts, and say my way or the highway ...

Then they FORGET, the Consitution was written on COMPROMISE

Agreed. I was also born and raised in Detroit. I always compare Detroit to Stalingrad in 1944 (that comparison isn't too far off). If people knew what that city looked like, they'd be completely shocked to see these types of conditions existing in America.

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