Soyokaze
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Oops: someone with a whiff of an ability to comprehend. I salute you, Soyokaze.
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Circumcision is terrible as a general health policy. How big of an effect would it have had if all those people wore condoms instead?
I am opposed to condoms for the same reason that I am opposed to circumcision: they protect people from sexually transmitted diseases and will put populations on the evolutionary track of selecting against sexual selection, of inbreeding, of populations becoming deficient in having a conscience, of rapists and other evil, of a high frequency of inherited diseases and of having a high frequency of ugly people in the population.
Non-circumcising populations benefit immensely from sexually transmitted diseases as they force their females - whether consciously or unconsciously - to be sexually selective. From this evolutionary point of view condoms are bad. Embrace natural selection and let the lust-driven animals (as opposed to love-driven people) remove their animal alleles from the gene pool.
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We shouldn't be performing unconsented unnecessary surgeries on babies.
Quite.
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If there's a medical necessity go for it otherwise
There usually is not. Most penis problems are caused by ignorance and cultural conditioning, like breaking the seal of the foreskin before the penis has matured, often with the wrongful conviction that this bacteria-free environment must be cleaned with soap, thus introducing bacteria into that previously sterile environment.
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when they reach an age where they might be having sex present them the info/numbers and ask for their consent.
Don't forget to tell them that if they do choose to be circumcised that their - often ugly - far descendants will be murderers of females.
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People will go nuts over something genuinely helpful to society like vaccines
I am opposed to vaccines as well, though I do admit that it is good that small pox is eradicated and that polio is nearly eradicated.
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but when it comes to making their sons penis look like their dads people are all for that shit.
I suspect that it is not only culturally conditioned, but that it may very well have been incorporated into their genotype. Populations that are on the evolutionary track of avoiding sexually transmitted diseases, will become extremely vulnerable to such diseases. Whereas populations that do not try to avoid sexually transmitted diseases will evolve ways to be less vulnerable and even invulnerable to such diseases. Thus choosing for circumcision in the long run - for the population and the gene pool as a whole - has the opposite effect of what one tries to achieve.
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Should we try to search out what other ways we can modify our children to make them more resistant to disease?
That way is to not circumcise, to not use condoms, and to not vaccinate. Sure, individuals will fall by the wayside, but the population as a whole will benefit and will evolve to be healthy.
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What if removing someone's clit hood showed good numbers for disease prevention? Maybe with a desensitized clit from constant abrasion women will have sex less and therefore contract less sexual diseases. We won't know till we try right?
That is the practice in North-East Africa. 
I disagree. I'm tired, and you didn't resort to name calling in the first sentence so I'll keep this short and hopefully non-confrontational : p I'm willing to put the means ahead of the ends, and I'd much rather see society shaped by education than by some sort of institutionalized survival of the fittest even if it means not ascending to some glorious super race. Also things don't generally work out that simply. Germs are much better at evolving than we are. The idea that condoms propagate rapists, ugliness, or hereditary diseases isn't really grounded in anything rational. I'm willing to bet most rapists aren't concerned about the consequences during the crime.
What's generally practiced in North-East Africa is much more brutal and much worse than normal male circumcision (there is no place that does the above to the exclusion of others afaik), which is why it's important to make a distinction from grievous fgm and lesser forms. The doesn't make lesser forms of genital mutilation ok though.
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