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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 4:51:51 PM

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Do you realize that the laws of physics suggest that our universe is a prison? That it is a prison suggests that the way out is via parole.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 5:03:21 PM

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The atheists argue that since this is a prison we should make the best of it and not concern ourselves with parole. Monotheists, on the other hand, assert that this is foolishness and it is best to suck up to the Warden since the Warden has the power to release us.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 5:22:50 PM

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The only thing we know for certain is that no-one get's out alive.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 6:30:06 PM

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steel, I am basing my opinion of atheism on the athiests I've met, and indeed a way I've behaved in the past. As a buddhist, no I don't have a god, but I am open to the existence of one, it's entirely possible that I am wrong about everything I believe, and I am on a potentially fruitless quest for enlightenment and the truth. I believe the position I hold would be termed agnosticism. I never meant to cause any offense and I apologize sincerely if I have done so,

A lot of us such as Richard Dawkins and myself are both atheists and agnostics. Your position on god seems to me like a decent one, I think it's important to be open to new evidence.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 6:34:38 PM

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you and Randist Atheism, just different delusions, six of One, half a dozen of the other.

Yeah both positions seem pretty detached from reality to me.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 7:12:29 PM

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More could be said concerning Objectivism. Apparently, work was done that shows that Objectivism and the Theory of Relativity are incompatible. Such a finding is non-threatening to Catholicism for a variety of reasons. Two of which are: (1) The domains are different. Those who believe that physics is the end all and be all would regard such a claim as silly, however. (2) If Objectivism is an eclectic interpretation of Catholicism, the result is not surprising since if you were to reformulate the Theory of Relativity in an eclectic manner according to whatever you liked or disliked, it would not be surprising if the new theory got some things wrong. This is why Catholics are encouraged to accept what the Church says hook line and sinker. If you do not, it is like reformulating the Theory of Relativity in an eclectic manner according to whatever you liked or disliked.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 7:16:17 PM

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The only thing we know for certain is that no-one get's out alive.

If that is the case, then nothing makes sense, not even hedonism.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 7:59:01 PM

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Atheism appears to come in two varieties. Those who can cope with moral contradiction and those who cannot.

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When I wrote the above in Hypocrisy and the Law I feel that I stumbled on a new topic for a thread.

I'm fairly certain atheism comes in one variety.

You don't believe.

Ergo.....sum.....

Done.

(Any fucking questions?)

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/25/2012 11:04:08 PM

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I'm fairly certain atheism comes in one variety.

Maybe, maybe not. But atheists themselves seem to come in several varieties, apparently related to how they ended up being atheists in the first place. And as a general rule, at least in my experience, the atheists that you tend to encounter in these types of discussions seem mainly to fall into one or the other of the following two classes.

1. The Sour Grapes Type: These atheists came to disbelieve the religion in which they were raised, apparently without considering that their rejected beliefs about the nature God have nothing to do with whether or not there is a God, and that their rejected religion does not represent the category of "religion" as a whole. The typical story is a tale of a God who let them down by not giving them something they really wanted, no other kind of God being of any use to them.

2. The Fundamentalist Type: These people become atheists for the same reason that other people become religious fundamentalists, a pathological need for certainty rooted in a deep insecurity that requires an identifiable "out" group to castigate and scourge as irrational morons besotted by false beliefs and rank superstition. They tend to be picky about their appearance, and always prepared to deliver their opinion on topics about which they know less than nothing.

Personally, the atheists that I prefer are those who simply never quite really believed in a God, even if they were raised to go through the motions, and who see no compelling reason to start believing in one now. They are, as a rule and possibly as a consequence, delightful people with neither a chip on their shoulder nor an evangelical bone in their body; exactly the same qualities that I prefer in my religious friends too.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/26/2012 6:41:27 AM

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This is not how science works.

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I'm not sure I understand what a testable hypothesis is.

Having admitted that you lack an understanding of even the most basic concepts in science your opinion on how science works is of course worthless.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/26/2012 6:56:39 AM

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Empirically demonstrated even.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/26/2012 6:57:53 AM

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Oh I'm sure they come in many varieties, including the ones who realized they were being lied to and manipulated by a pack of grinning Jackals.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/26/2012 7:32:12 AM

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The only thing we know for certain is that no-one get's out alive.

If that is the case, then nothing makes sense, not even hedonism.

That's just the brainwashing talking, when you manage to throw off it's influence that feeling does go away.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/26/2012 7:38:44 AM

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The only thing we know for certain is that no-one get's out alive.

If that is the case, then nothing makes sense, not even hedonism.

That's what separates the faithful from the faithless: the faithless have to have a sure thing, or it's fuck everybody.

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RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism - 3/26/2012 10:42:01 AM

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The only thing we know for certain is that no-one get's out alive.

Really? How can we be certain? Maybe the NeverDie walk among us or are the couple in the old house just up the street. How far-fetched is that as believing the NeverDie reside in Heaven? Curious possibility when you unleash your religious imagination.