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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 2:57:56 PM   
kalikshama


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Status: offline 		"I never thought to question my husband's police-issued equipment," said Kristie Owens, the child's mother, at a recent Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. "I assumed it would work properly. Why wouldn't it?"

How disingenuous, given her testimony on page 14 and 15 about the need for double checking the safe and that the lock was sticky and perhaps wearing out.

Additionally, the investigation found another gun on top of the refrigerator and the Deputy admitted keeping it there depending on his work hours.

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In addition to the tragedy of the 3 year old's death, I feel so bad for the 11 year old falsely accused and ostracized by her mother and step-father.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 2:59:28 PM   
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Does anyone object to mandatory gun safety classes before one is able to get a permit?


Yes, as, for instance, drivers education / licensing does not actually accomplish much. Just go out on the roads. You see it every day. Responsibility cannot be legislated. Negligence though, where resultant in harm, can have consequences.





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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 3:23:33 PM   
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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 3:29:37 PM   
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Does anyone object to mandatory gun safety classes before one is able to get a permit?


Better be a free class certain someones on here will get all twisty in the britches.

Does getting a permit cost? Probably not, else those someones would be all over it, I'm sure.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 3:34:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		a permit to acquire in Minnesota costs a nominal fee.  a permit to carry costs $75 and a class, and then the nominal fee. It must be renewed every three years.


It used to be free on a clean background check, honorable discharge or saftey training (everyone when I was growing up had to go to Wednesday school for confirmation and NRA gun training) whether you loved jeebus or not or whether you were gonna have a gun or not or had any interest in either.  The state kept records of that.



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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 3:35:00 PM   
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Does anyone object to mandatory gun safety classes before one is able to get a permit?


Better be a free class certain someones on here will get all twisty in the britches.
        You mean someone like you?

Does getting a permit cost? Probably not, else those someones would be all over it, I'm sure.
         Wrong again.  My concealed permit was around $20 as I recall.


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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 4:29:27 PM   
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When I was older and I had small children, I NEVER left a gun, loaded or unloaded, when my children or their friends could get their hands on it.

A CCW permit holder should never be expected to abandon his firearm, but laws in many states require this.

For example, when Ohio first passed CC, shop owners were allowed to post a notice forbidding firearms on their premises. The effect of this was to turn every shopping center parking lot into an open-air gun bazaar. Simply watching people in a parking lot for a while would sooner or later be rewarded by seeing a driver remove something from his belt and reach across to put it in the glove compartment.

Having had the privilege (if that's the word I want) of actually seeing a smash and grab go down once, I can tell you that it took the guy about three seconds to smash the passenger side window, pop the glove compartment lock, and be on his way.

Courts pose another problem. They should check firearms and return them, rather than require people to abandon their weapon outside by leaving it in their vehicle. And in Florida, to take another example, you cannot even have your weapon accessible when driving. Not only does this renders it useless in a carjacking, it virtually guarrantees that the car-jacker will get both the car and a gun.

Wonderful, eh? Granted some people don't think, sometimes the non-thinkers are the ones making our laws.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 5:22:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		When my kids were little and I had to carry a gun at all times for work (I was in the Army as part of a joint American/West German Counter-Intelligence team from 1971 to 1974 and carried a 9mm Walther P-38 pistol.), I had two lock boxes.

Minutes after stepping through the door of my apartment, I would remove the bullet clip and clear the pistol. The clips and ammo went into a lockbox in the kitchen on one of the high shelves in a cabinet and the empty pistol went into a lockbox on the top shelf of my bedroom closet. In the morning, I would reverse the procedure, but wouldn't load my pistol until I got outside.

Call me paranoid about gun safety - but no one in my family ever got hurt or shot with my gun.

For home protection, I had my hands, my feet - and a cut down Louisville Slugger baseball bat, the barrel of which had been bored out and filled with lead. I still have that bat today. Best home protection weapon there is - and no one ever got killed cleaning their baseball bat or had it "go off" accidentally.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/15/2012 7:24:33 PM   
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Does anyone object to mandatory gun safety classes before one is able to get a permit?


Better be a free class certain someones on here will get all twisty in the britches.

Does getting a permit cost? Probably not, else those someones would be all over it, I'm sure.

Here in TN, the Class, background check and permit fee runs you a few hundred.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/16/2012 10:02:36 AM   
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in Florida, to take another example, you cannot even have your weapon accessible when driving. Not only does this renders it useless in a carjacking, it virtually guarrantees that the car-jacker will get both the car and a gun.

Wonderful, eh? Granted some people don't think, sometimes the non-thinkers are the ones making our laws.

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In Florida you absolutely can have a loaded weapon accessible in your vehicle as long as it is in a holster with strap or contained in a glove box, console, box, zippered pouch ect. whether or not you have a permit. Without the permit though you can't have it on your person.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/16/2012 10:40:25 AM   
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in Florida, to take another example, you cannot even have your weapon accessible when driving. Not only does this renders it useless in a carjacking, it virtually guarrantees that the car-jacker will get both the car and a gun.

In Florida you absolutely can have a loaded weapon accessible in your vehicle as long as it is in a holster with strap or contained in a glove box, console, box, zippered pouch ect. whether or not you have a permit. Without the permit though you can't have it on your person.

It seems unlikely that either the console, or least of all my glove compartment, is going to be "accessible" (except at the risk of my life) in the circumstance of being ordered out of the vehicle in a car-jacking. As to carry on your person in a vehicle...If I'm misunderstanding something, I'd love to know it. But the statute appears unambiguous.

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/16/2012 11:45:22 AM   
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in Florida, to take another example, you cannot even have your weapon accessible when driving. Not only does this renders it useless in a carjacking, it virtually guarrantees that the car-jacker will get both the car and a gun.

In Florida you absolutely can have a loaded weapon accessible in your vehicle as long as it is in a holster with strap or contained in a glove box, console, box, zippered pouch ect. whether or not you have a permit. Without the permit though you can't have it on your person.

It seems unlikely that either the console, or least of all my glove compartment, is going to be "accessible" (except at the risk of my life) in the circumstance of being ordered out of the vehicle in a car-jacking. As to carry on your person in a vehicle...If I'm misunderstanding something, I'd love to know it. But the statute appears unambiguous.

K.



I guess it would come down to what you would consider accessible, or for a better term, easily accessible. In my console I can get to it pretty quick. At least it's better than most states in that without a permit you have to keep it unloaded with ammo locked up in a trunk or some such thing. Even in the case of a carjacking, if you're not paying attention to whats going on around and you and you end up with a gun pointed at your head your not in a good position to do much about it anyway, even if you have a weapon strapped to your side. If my rear bumper gets tapped when my vehicle is at a stop the hair is going to go up on the back of my neck and I'll have ample time to retrieve the weapon if necessary.

The ambiguous statute has been cleared up for me on several occasions at least as it concerns having a weapon in your vehicle without a permit. You can have the weapon under your seat if you want as long as it's holstered with a strap. There is a good book on Florida firearms laws written by an attorney who specializes in federal and Florida firearms law. I have seen it many times in gun stores and he updates it every year.

http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/p/Florida-Firearms-Law-Use-Ownership-Book-7th.html

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/16/2012 2:09:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		PA has similar mental health restrictions. I'm not sure what they are now given the closing of the state mental hospitals, but used to be if you'd been in a state hospital (voluntary or otherwise) you couldn't get a gun license. They do a brief background check for hunting rifles and what not, but my son got one very easily, hand guns have tighter controls unless you buy at gun shows where there is no background check needed for any type of gun.


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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/16/2012 3:44:18 PM   
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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/16/2012 4:09:42 PM   
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Did your parents have guns while you were growing up?



Yes. Shotguns of all gauges. I started shooting at ~14, skeet & trap, and participated in competition. My personal preference is for the 20ga.
My folks often went to Canada after geese.


Yeah,my father taught my brother and I at an early age to shoot.He built a small range downstairs with a trap and targets and such.For sport he would shoot pigeons off neighbors roofs.
At the age of 43(i was 25) he,in response to my brother telling my mother of some of the other things dear old dad taught us, took one of those guns and blew the back of his head off...I haven't held a gun in my hands for years,don't think it is likely I ever will

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RE: Young Americans exercise their 2nd Amendment rights - 3/18/2012 5:45:46 PM   
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Did your parents have guns while you were growing up?



I grew up where law enforcement could be up to a hour away in respond time. Our father taught us all about firearm safety from the age of 6. Started with a .22 rimfire Winchester. I always enjoyed the Marlin 30-30 and the .308 Savage.
I gave my own son hours upon hours of handling firearms safetly and removed his curiosity for firearms.

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