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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/11/2012 11:55:45 PM   
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Regardless of what I believe, I was kind of surprise about 2nd degree murder, but then remembered that the DA will aim high and settle for less.


Really?  I think it applies quite well based on the information that has been presented in this case.  He certainly showed a disregard for human life, and I think a legitimate case could be made for the "depraved mind" in his actions afterward.

While I don't think this will be a slam dunk (there really isn't such a thing in criminal cases, regardless of popular opinion), I do think they have a pretty strong case.

I also think there was a great deal of consideration put on the charge based on what happened in the Casey Anthony trial.  There they shot for the moon and really screwed up, with a jury openly stating if there had been a lesser option (such as murder in the second degree), they would have come back with a guilty verdict.

There is little to be found about the Angela Corey, which, theoretically could mean she isn't a big publicity hound taking on this case to make a name for herself, although the same lack of info could mean she is anxious to make a name for herself, but it doesn't seem so.  She could have let the Grand Jury convene to decide, but must have come across some pretty damning evidence making it unnecessary (yes, I am sure the Grand Jury would have returned an indictment).

I doubt the charge would be reduced in a plea bargain.  Manslaughter involves the lack of intent and really, any time someone pulls a gun, you can't really deny intent.  So the only "bargaining" that could occur in a plea bargain would be a lesser penalty.

As for his new defense attorney, I'm willing to bet he was in talks with Mark O'Mara prior to being charged and that is why he stopped contact with the other attorneys.  Mark O'Mara definately appears to be in it for the publicity since he is already a legal analyst for a local television station and was vocal in the Casey Anthony trial.  O'Mara playing the "pity card" though with talks about how poor George Zimmerman couldn't go to the 7-11 or any other store isn't a wise move in my opinion.  In so much as we are such a litigious society with people wanting to blame everyone and everything on their actions rather than taking personal responsibility, people don't want to feel sorry for Zimmerman needing to go into hiding because the need was brought about by his own actions.

I'm sure that this will continue to be a very public case and much like the Casey Anthony trial the media will swamp us with constant analysis of the trial and likely televise the whole thing.  I think the prosecution has some damning evidence that the media has not yet presented and it will be interesting to see what led Angela Corey to the charge of second degree murder.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 1:47:49 AM   
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I think a legitimate case could be made for the "depraved mind" in his actions afterward.

Could you explain your opinion in this regard?

K.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 2:26:30 AM   
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I hope he is found not guilty.


Why dont you hope for justice to be done ?

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 2:51:13 AM   
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I hope he is found not guilty.


Why dont you hope for justice to be done ?

Come on, people. Look at the basic facts of the case.

The dead man is almost completely African, while the killer is MUCH lighter shade, almost a Caucasoid, practically. So, the prosecutor goes for a case where he has to prove, pardon, PROVE the sorta white guy was 'in a depraved state of mind' when he shot the n*****r he had chased down. Think about it. What are the chances?

Sorta whitey walks. No brainer.






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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 3:37:03 AM   
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Lets hope the jury have more sense than you credit them with and judge it on the evidence.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 4:13:05 AM   
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Lets hope the jury have more sense than you credit them with and judge it on the evidence.

Yes, let's.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 5:09:56 AM   
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quote:

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I think a legitimate case could be made for the "depraved mind" in his actions afterward.

Could you explain your opinion in this regard?

K.



Zimmerman's statement to the police operator "These assholes always get away" + being armed + leaving his car + pursuing Trayvon Martin + killing Trayvon Martin.

Trayvon Martin didn't get away.

Personally, I think the SP could sell premeditation and make it a Capital case, but hey. You prosecute the case you have.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 5:18:49 AM   
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politesub, From what I have read, I think it was self defense and hope a jury sees it that way. Others see it differently.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 6:08:59 AM   
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politesub, From what I have read, I think it was self defense and hope a jury sees it that way. Others see it differently.


The Jury doesn't rule on the self-defense claim. The Judge does. Now let's remember that first off, it's WRONG to kill people. And that George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin isn't at issue.

The question is then, by the "preponderance of the evidence", Who 'provoked' the incident?

Scenario where Zimmerman provoked the incident:

1) Following Martin around at night in a car,

2) stated "These assholes always get away",

3) arming himself,

4) exiting his car where he was safe, against the correct professional advice

5) and then pursuing and killing Trayvon Martin.

vs.

"Crazy Negro Snaps And Attacks Whitey Without Provocation"

The Judge isn't going to buy that line of reasoning any more than you and I.



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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 6:25:11 AM   
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Regardless of what I believe, I was kind of surprise about 2nd degree murder, but then remembered that the DA will aim high and settle for less.


Well, remember - this is Florida. Casey Anthony was charged with murder when they couldn't even prove the child had been murdered. It will be interesting to see a murder 2 prosecution play out.

I do agree with the others that an acquittal (or possibly even immunity at the "stand your ground" hearing) is likely going to trigger riots much like we saw after those cops were acquitted for beating Rodney King and after OJ was acquitted.

Oh, wait... there were no riots after OJ was acquitted. Never mind.


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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 6:30:44 AM   
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I think a legitimate case could be made for the "depraved mind" in his actions afterward.

Could you explain your opinion in this regard?

K.



Of course.  Obviously, the prosecution feels that he instigated any altercation with Martin.  So it could be considered "depraved" that he went to the lengths that he did to get away with what he did.  Also, as much as I hate to give fargle any credit at all, he is right that Zimmerman's actions beforehand could also be considered depraved.

Regardless, the second degree murder isn't a this AND this charge, but a this and/or this charge, so disregard for human life is a no brainer.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 6:33:30 AM   
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politesub, From what I have read, I think it was self defense and hope a jury sees it that way. Others see it differently.


The Jury doesn't rule on the self-defense claim. The Judge does. Now let's remember that first off, it's WRONG to kill people. And that George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin isn't at issue.

The question is then, by the "preponderance of the evidence", Who 'provoked' the incident?

Scenario where Zimmerman provoked the incident:

1) Following Martin around at night in a car,

2) stated "These assholes always get away",

3) arming himself,

4) exiting his car where he was safe, against the correct professional advice

5) and then pursuing and killing Trayvon Martin.

vs.

"Crazy Negro Snaps And Attacks Whitey Without Provocation"

The Judge isn't going to buy that line of reasoning any more than you and I.




Actually, while the defense may motion for dismissal on self defense, they aren't likely to win, and therefore, the defense will continue to present that Zimmerman acted in self defense and therefore the jury will weigh the two "stories" and determine which they believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, happened.

A judge doesn't look emotionally at the case, only the public does.  The judge will weigh whether or not he believes the "Stand Your Ground" law applies.  While I don't think he will find that it does, it isn't a slam dunk.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 6:35:25 AM   
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I really dont envy Florida. They created that stupid, and extremely foolish concept 'Stand Your Ground'. And now they'll have to pay the price for that foolishness.



I don't think Florida created that law. Many other states have a version of it. I don't believe it's foolish either. In this case Martin isn't your typical thug but it seems to me if your facing a thug who means to do you harm then why should you not be able to defend yourself ?

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 6:38:41 AM   
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Regardless of what I believe, I was kind of surprise about 2nd degree murder, but then remembered that the DA will aim high and settle for less.


Well, remember - this is Florida. Casey Anthony was charged with murder when they couldn't even prove the child had been murdered. It will be interesting to see a murder 2 prosecution play out.

I do agree with the others that an acquittal (or possibly even immunity at the "stand your ground" hearing) is likely going to trigger riots much like we saw after those cops were acquitted for beating Rodney King and after OJ was acquitted.

Oh, wait... there were no riots after OJ was acquitted. Never mind.




The prosecution botched the Casey Anthony case big time.  Any mediocre defense attorney could have represented her and gotten that outcome.  In the Casey Anthony case, the prosecution went for the death penalty, and offered no lesser offenses, which the jury admitted after they would have returned a guilty for the second degree murder.

The facts of this case are drastically different, as are the witnesses (for which there was none for the murder of Caylee Anythoney).

As for riots, I seriously doubt it.

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RE: Zimmerman Booked ( New mug-shot ) - 4/12/2012 7:22:28 AM   
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