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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Amongst the more than 200 weapons catalogued were:


19 SGW CAR-AR assault submachine guns (three fitted with silencers), nine other silencers

8 hand grenades and at least 31 other grenade parts and fragments, more than 20 pieces and fragments of rockets (apparently used to make rocket-propelled grenades) along with 1 sight for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

3 Israeli-made IMI Galil assault rifles

10 Ruger Mini-14 assault rifles (one with a mounted scope)

A barrel for a M60 machine gun

1 30 mm rocket shell

9 FAL assault rifles (three mounted on bipods)

At least 54 AK-47 or AKS assault rifles (some converted to fully automatic submachine guns)

11 .12-gauge shotguns (one with a sawed-off barrel)

Dozens of pistols

Dozens of barrels for M-16s, AR-15s and other weapons

Gas masks and one chemical warfare suit

Several Kevlar tactical vests and other body armor and eight Kevlar helmets.
Also found were lathes, milling equipment and other tooling machinery, which essentially substantiated the suspicions of authorities, who believed that Koresh and the Davidians were engaged in the illegal conversion of assault rifles to automatic weapons and the manufacture of crude "grease guns."

What on this list is illegal for an american citizen with no criminal history?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I notice that each time a leftest lists the weapons the Davidians had it gets bigger. Also the list of convictions did not include anything about the original charges all were things that happened during the siege. For those who did not see my early posts on this I stated right off that I thought the Davidians were nuts.
However the Government overplayed it's hand tried to grandstand, changed it's story on an almost daily basis, attempted to ilegally include the military in a domestic situation and then proceeded to try to convince us that every thing they did was open and above board by the time they got done no resonable person could accept anything they said at face value.

Their ineptitute and deseption does not make the Davidians good guys, doesn't even make them decent people but you people have to see that the government screwed this one up big time.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Amongst the more than 200 weapons catalogued were:


19 SGW CAR-AR assault submachine guns (three fitted with silencers), nine other silencers

8 hand grenades and at least 31 other grenade parts and fragments, more than 20 pieces and fragments of rockets (apparently used to make rocket-propelled grenades) along with 1 sight for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

3 Israeli-made IMI Galil assault rifles

10 Ruger Mini-14 assault rifles (one with a mounted scope)

A barrel for a M60 machine gun

1 30 mm rocket shell

9 FAL assault rifles (three mounted on bipods)

At least 54 AK-47 or AKS assault rifles (some converted to fully automatic submachine guns)

11 .12-gauge shotguns (one with a sawed-off barrel)

Dozens of pistols

Dozens of barrels for M-16s, AR-15s and other weapons

Gas masks and one chemical warfare suit

Several Kevlar tactical vests and other body armor and eight Kevlar helmets.
Also found were lathes, milling equipment and other tooling machinery, which essentially substantiated the suspicions of authorities, who believed that Koresh and the Davidians were engaged in the illegal conversion of assault rifles to automatic weapons and the manufacture of crude "grease guns."

What on this list is illegal for an american citizen with no criminal history?

submachine guns, grenades shall I go on?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I remember that well, many of those pickup trucks wereon my high schoolparking lot back in the 60's.

Where did you go to highschool? I know of no jurisdiction in the u.s. (in the 60's)where high schoolers were allowed to bring firearms on campus without prior appropriate notice and the corresponding authority.

I'm not tellin where I went to school in the 70's but it was common for many of us to bring shotguns in our vehicles so when school let out we could get out in the field faster and have more time to hunt before dark. Though they weren't visible on gun racks, otherwise they would likely get stolen.

Does that mean that I was right? That your high school did not allow firearms to be brought on campus without the proper protocol?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Amongst the more than 200 weapons catalogued were:


19 SGW CAR-AR assault submachine guns (three fitted with silencers), nine other silencers

8 hand grenades and at least 31 other grenade parts and fragments, more than 20 pieces and fragments of rockets (apparently used to make rocket-propelled grenades) along with 1 sight for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

3 Israeli-made IMI Galil assault rifles

10 Ruger Mini-14 assault rifles (one with a mounted scope)

A barrel for a M60 machine gun

1 30 mm rocket shell

9 FAL assault rifles (three mounted on bipods)

At least 54 AK-47 or AKS assault rifles (some converted to fully automatic submachine guns)

11 .12-gauge shotguns (one with a sawed-off barrel)

Dozens of pistols

Dozens of barrels for M-16s, AR-15s and other weapons

Gas masks and one chemical warfare suit

Several Kevlar tactical vests and other body armor and eight Kevlar helmets.
Also found were lathes, milling equipment and other tooling machinery, which essentially substantiated the suspicions of authorities, who believed that Koresh and the Davidians were engaged in the illegal conversion of assault rifles to automatic weapons and the manufacture of crude "grease guns."

What on this list is illegal for an american citizen with no criminal history?

submachine guns, grenades shall I go on?

I am sorry you did not understand my question.
Yes indeed go on.
So far from the list you posted you have only listed two things.
One of which you are wrong about.
The thing you are calling a sub-machine gun w/silencer does not exist. The sgw carr ar is an ar 15 look alike and according to the factory are not full auto. It fires a projectal that exceeds 1500 fps(the speed of sound at sea level).Only those projectals that travel slower than the speed of sound can be silenced...yes you can muffle the muzzel blast but you cannot muffle the shockwave of the supersonic projectal.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I notice that each time a leftest lists the weapons the Davidians had it gets bigger. Also the list of convictions did not include anything about the original charges all were things that happened during the siege. For those who did not see my early posts on this I stated right off that I thought the Davidians were nuts.
However the Government overplayed it's hand tried to grandstand, changed it's story on an almost daily basis, attempted to ilegally include the military in a domestic situation and then proceeded to try to convince us that every thing they did was open and above board by the time they got done no resonable person could accept anything they said at face value.

Their ineptitute and deseption does not make the Davidians good guys, doesn't even make them decent people but you people have to see that the government screwed this one up big time.

nothing illegal about using Bradley or any of the other vehicles.  But I do agree there was screws up on both size.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

You know...I hate to say it but I am thinking of buying some firearms, my permit and CCW are still valid.  Some of you are making me scared

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
There are many inmates in prison right now with advance degrees, you would also be surprised how many inmates get advance degrees while in prison.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
You are the one who said "anywhere" I sugguest you look up the defination of anywhere.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I am going to share with you a real life experience I had. There was a time I carried a firearm, my job required to do so. I went into a small postal annex just to drop off some mail. I walked into a robbery. I was not carrying my firearm. It was small crowed with women and children etc. I sat there as instructed to at gun point, made notes of the robbers. Shortly after that they left, no one was harmed. I gave my statement to Detective, the Detective stated I was their best witness, the robbers were arrested a short time later. At the trial I and the Post Master for the Annex were the only witnesses called by the Prosecution, they were convicted. You think if I had my firearm the robber would be dead, I rather would hate to think how many women and children would be have been shot.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I notice that each time a leftest lists the weapons the Davidians had it gets bigger. Also the list of convictions did not include anything about the original charges all were things that happened during the siege. For those who did not see my early posts on this I stated right off that I thought the Davidians were nuts.
However the Government overplayed it's hand tried to grandstand, changed it's story on an almost daily basis, attempted to ilegally include the military in a domestic situation and then proceeded to try to convince us that every thing they did was open and above board by the time they got done no resonable person could accept anything they said at face value.

Their ineptitute and deseption does not make the Davidians good guys, doesn't even make them decent people but you people have to see that the government screwed this one up big time.

nothing illegal about using Bradley or any of the other vehicles.  But I do agree there was screws up on both size.

If they had obtained Bradley's from the military then I think it would have violated Posse Comatatas (spell check) witch prohibits the military from being used for a domestic law enforcement purpose.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
There are many inmates in prison right now with advance degrees, you would also be surprised how many inmates get advance degrees while in prison.

Again, not what I said. I'm talking about their original scholastic record, not what they earned while in prison. You're just dancing away at this aren't you? Let me be clear one more time:

I said their scholastic record...the one that they got as a child in school. Not IQs... not degrees earned hide behind bars. Their childhood scholastic record. Clear enough?
I was not privilged to their school records, some I would say were not at the level perhaps they should have been, others were at their level, some beyond.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
You are the one who said "anywhere" I sugguest you look up the defination of anywhere.

I'd ask you to look up common sense, but I doubt you'd find any.
Common sense is defined by Merriam-Webster as, "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple or facperception of the situation or facts.  Did you look up the word "anywhere"?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I am going to share with you a real life experience I had. There was a time I carried a firearm, my job required to do so. I went into a small postal annex just to drop off some mail. I walked into a robbery. I was not carrying my firearm. It was small crowed with women and children etc. I sat there as instructed to at gun point, made notes of the robbers. Shortly after that they left, no one was harmed. I gave my statement to Detective, the Detective stated I was their best witness, the robbers were arrested a short time later. At the trial I and the Post Master for the Annex were the only witnesses called by the Prosecution, they were convicted. You think if I had my firearm the robber would be dead, I rather would hate to think how many women and children would be have been shot.

Unfortunately, you'll never know. Now they have survived and when they get out (and they will) they are free to rob again, only this time I'm sure they now know to leave no witnesses. Good job.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I remember that well, many of those pickup trucks wereon my high schoolparking lot back in the 60's.

Where did you go to highschool? I know of no jurisdiction in the u.s. (in the 60's)where high schoolers were allowed to bring firearms on campus without prior appropriate notice and the corresponding authority.

I'm not tellin where I went to school in the 70's but it was common for many of us to bring shotguns in our vehicles so when school let out we could get out in the field faster and have more time to hunt before dark. Though they weren't visible on gun racks, otherwise they would likely get stolen.

Does that mean that I was right? That your high school did not allow firearms to be brought on campus without the proper protocol?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I was not privilged to their school records, some I would say were not at the level perhaps they should have been, others were at their level, some beyond

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Common sense is defined by Merriam-Webster as, "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple or facperception of the situation or facts.  Did you look up the word "anywhere"?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Maybe if the burglar and/or mugger lived on the opposite side of town and you knew their address a .50 calibre would be handy for dealing with them...

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I don't know what permission they needed, none of those trucks belonged to me.

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I was not privilged to their school records, some I would say were not at the level perhaps they should have been, others were at their level, some beyond

Then a wise man might just keep silent, hmmm? Instead of answering back things that weren't asked? Better to let others think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
You are the one who asked the question, and didn't like the answer..There is a saying "Never ask a question you don't want answered"

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Common sense is defined by Merriam-Webster as, "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple or facperception of the situation or facts.  Did you look up the word "anywhere"?

Great. You looked it up. Now try using some. I think it was fairly obvious that certain places could prohibit firearm carrying. I believed it was so obvious it did not need to be said. Now that we both agree that people can carry where they like, except for those previously mentioned places, perhaps we can let this diversionary tactic rest, hmm?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I don't know what permission they needed, none of those trucks belonged to me.

I attended high schools in Philadelphia, PA and Manhattan, New York City in the 1960's. A student caught with a gun on campus then ended up in a reform school or prison (I remember some that did) and a teacher caught with a gun would have been fired immediately. We took the subway to school or walked - no students drove their trucks.